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Subject: Halo Reach, Real Info and NOT Speculation!!!

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Lets look at what has already been given to use by Bungie. This information comes from the Halo book series and the current Halo games as well as any official Bungie statement or video.

Lets consider the Halo Reach trailer. Some words a played across the screen and then the camera slowy pans accross a planet while we listen in on radio traffic. Here is what is said word for word.

From The Beginning
You Know The End
Gamma station, this is Fermiad RSO, we have unconfirmed reports of an in-system slip space rupture.
Impossible. Check your source.
Reading multiple pings below the orbital defense grid.
Oh this can't be happening.
There's no mistake. It's them.
Winter Contingency has been declared; all units are mobilized and ready.
This is Sierra 320. Prepped for covert insertion.
What the hell was that?
We're coming in hot. Hold on.
We just lost our bird.
Oh my God.
What the hell is happening down there? The city just dropped off my map.
There are still people down here.
Where's our evac?
Were being over run. We'll hold this position as long as we can.
I need you in that fight noble 1. Noble 1 come in. Noble 1 do you read me?
This is sierra 259. You got spartans on the ground sir. We're not goin anywhere.
Halo Reach
Falls 2010

That is everything said and all the words that popped up on the screen.

Here is what IGN has to say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7zveMPWek

Lets examin it.

From the beginning, you know the end.
In order for this to be true we would have had to have been able to read the story before, and guess what, anyone who bought the books Halo The Fall of Reach and Halo First Strike has read the story and knows the end. The before mentioned books are the only official stories about the Fall of Reach. Reach was only attacked one time and all but a small portion of the planet was glassed. The only part to survive was a forrested area that was above ONIs Castle facility that was burried deep in a mountain.

Sierra is the code word for Spartan, and later in the trailer a spartan gives his number and identifies himself as a spartan and also reveals that there are multiple spartans on the ground. In the books a lot of spartans go to the surface of Reach to defend the generators that power the orbital MAC cannons.

The last words we see are Halo Reach Falls 2010.
Compare this to the title of the first book.
Halo The Fall of Reach
Halo Reach Falls 2010
Hmmmmmm
They look pretty similar to me.
Only two words are missing and a year was added.

If you read Halo The Fall of Reach and Halo First Strike then you know that Halo Reach is going to be made from the books.

You will not play as the Master Chief. How do I know this? Easy. While the events that took place on the surface of Reach were unfolding, the Master Chief was busy destroying the First Halo. Another thing you would already know if you had read the books. The only way you would play as the Master Chief is if the game only follows Halo The Fall of Reach and the majority of the game is spent on the early missions or some of the first missions the spartans went on with their Mark V armour and then the last mission you play is going on board a space station in orbit of Reach and destroying a nav data crystal before the Covenant can get it. Right after that is when the Pillar of Autumn picks up the Master Chief and they end up at the first Halo shortly after that.

Now lets discuss all the speculation people have made.

Many people claim that the planet at the end of Halo 3 is Reach. Impossible. Reach was almost completely glassed by the Covent before Halo CE. The only way the planet at the end of Halo 3 could be Reach is if the Master Chief and Cortana had somehow traveled back in time when the portal collapsed and the chunk of ship they were in returned to normal space. The portal only transports objects and it doesn't mess with time. Time travel is not a part of the Halo Universe because Bungie knows that would be dumb and they have tried to keep things believeable. The only thing close to time travel in the Halo Universe is when a Forerunner artifact warped time so the Master Chief could make it back to Reach after destroying the first Halo just in time to save the Spartans and a few others who were still alive on the surface keeping the same artifact away from the Covenant.

Also, Reach looks nothing like the planet at the end of Halo 3. Reach has several cities scattered across the surface near bodies of water and the planet at the end of Halo 3 appears to have one massive city covering the surface.

Another thing to point out. If Cortana and the Master Chief did end up in orbit of Reach wouldn't Cortana have picked up on the radio chatter? The answer is yes. The stern of the frigate they are in is practicaly in orbit of the planet when Halo 3 ends. Cortana would have known they were in orbit of Reach or any UNSC planet for that matter. Instead she has no idea and says it will take years to get rescued. The planet at the end of Halo 3 is NOT Reach.

Also, the planet at the end of Halo 3 is not Onyx. Onyx was a Forerunner Shield World. The surface of the planet was a thin shell, and just under it is a massive army of sentinals that are arranged in a defensive formation that is protecting the portal that leads to a mini dyson sphere in a slip space bubble. At the end of the book Halo Ghosts of Onyx, the surface of the planet is gone and all you can see is the massive army of sentinals. The mini dyson sphere is in a slip space bubble and the sentinals are guarding the portal that leads to the dyson sphere. The planet at the end of Halo 3 is obviously a planet and not a massive army of sentinals.

The planet could be any number of diferent things. It could be a Covenant world, another Forerunner Shield World, or a planet occupied by an advanced civilization that we have never seen before. No one knows what that planet is until Bungie tells us. The one thing we do know is the planet is NOT Reach or Onyx.

As far as the banner with the five figures. I couldn't tell you what they are exactly. It is most likey the Spartans that survived on the surface of Reach in the book Halo First Strike. I will admit that the figure on the left does look a little like an elite. However, if you look closely at his legs then you can see that his legs are the same as all the other figures. Elites legs bend in 2 places and all the figures have the same legs that have clearly visible knees. Maybe it is just a huge spartan.

Here is what the game will most likely be about. It will follow the spartans who went to the surface of Reach to defend the reactors that power the orbital defense platforms. Those spartans fought entire armies of Covenant ground forces and they even got to use a nuke to destroy a Covenant Cruiser. Even though they were able to take out massive numbers of Covenant, many spartans died and the reactors were lost. The remaining spartans teamed up with some marines, Dr Halsey, and Admiral Whitcomb. They discover a Forerunner artifact and fight to keep it from the Covenant. The Master Chief arrives just in time to save them, and together the Master Chief, Cortana, Admiral Whitcomb, Dr Halsey, Sargent Johnson, Several Spartans, an ONI officer, a navy pilot, and an ODST escape Reach. They are the only people who survive the attack on Reach. Not all of them make it back to Earth, but they end up destroying a massive Covenant station allong with a huge Covenant fleet that was preparing to attack Earth.

Halo Reach is a prequal to Halo CE. Bungie has already said that. If it is a prequal and we already know the story, then the only logical conclusion is that the game will be based off of one or both of thebooks Halo The Fall of Reach and Halo First Strike. I personally think it will be based off of the story of the spartans who went to the surface of Reach like I talked about before.

We will most likely see the return of many familiar guns and vehicles, but there could be some changes and maybe even some additions or removal of some weapons. New weapons is allways cool and really it is anyones guess on what might be added. I personally want to see some kind of Gauss rifle that can shoot through thin walls and lightly armoured vehicles. It would be like an amazing sniper rifle but with way less ammo and you would have to reload after every shot. Weapons that might go away would include Brute weapons and vehicles and the spartan laser. Equipment could go anywhere. No equipment, more equipment, less equipment, or different equipment. Something cool they could add would be a remote detonated charge that you could place on something and then detonate it at any time.

I really hope they increase the customization of your character. I want to see 100 different helmets, shoulder pads, symbols etc...

The ranking system should be based half on Career Kill/Death Ratio and half on a point system.

Example of points per game.
+7 per win -6 per loss
Objective Game Points
+1 per flag score, +1 per bomb detonation, +3 for most time with odd ball, +2 for second most time with odd ball, +1 per VIP kill, +1 posotive K/D Ratio, -1 negative K/D Ratio, +1 most kills,
+1 second most kills, -1 most deaths, -1 second most deaths
Slayer Match Points
+4 most kills, +3 second most kills, +2 third most kills, -3 most deaths, -2 second most deaths,
-1 third most deaths, +1 posotive K/D Ratio, -1 Negative K/D Ratio

Rank requirements should be a certain number of points for each level and a Career Kill/Death Ratio for every 5 levels. For example: to be a level 36 you need 860 points and a Career Kill/Death Ratio of 1.6. This would keep noobs from getting a level 50. In almost every game noobs will get high level because they play the game every day and the ranking systems are based on experience and not skill. Comment please.

[Edited on 09.30.2009 5:06 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2009 11:15 PM PDT

Posted by: The Peoples Hero
Posted by: muffin man one
You do realise that you can't go further than the 60th minute in an hour right?

Yeah ok, maybe not in Canada...

What are you talking about? Master Chief and the other Spartans were on Keyes' ship when Reach was attacked. John and the other Spartans were beggining a mission to hijack a Covenant vessel, make their way to the Covenant homeworld, and abduct a Prophet. They had just left Reach when the news came and all they did was turn around and go fight. NO SPECULATION?? Tell me where Bungie said we won't play as the Master Cheif because he's on the first Halo ring. The majority of your opening post is SPECULATION and bull-blam!-. You are nothing but a joke.

  • 09.06.2009 8:14 AM PDT

master chief was NOT on halo during the events of reach, he was wiping the data on the satellite with james and linda, read the book

  • 09.06.2009 8:53 AM PDT

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Here's something to kill your own theory, that I've pointed out many times.
Gamma station, this is Fermiad RSO, we have unconfirmed reports of an in-system slip space rupture.
The covenant couldn't make in system jumps until after cortana discovered it in first strike. Therefore, Halo: Reach is not based around the books or takes place after first strike.
Pwnt.

  • 09.06.2009 9:01 AM PDT

blarghonk2, yes they could, just not in atmosphere jumps

[Edited on 09.06.2009 9:05 AM PDT]

  • 09.06.2009 9:05 AM PDT

china called...but seriously i don't know where to start to read :P

  • 09.06.2009 9:17 AM PDT

Subject: Halo Reach, Real Info and NOT Speculation!!!
Since the lack of links to back your "Info" your title is VERY misleading.



The last words we see are Halo Reach Falls 2010.
Compare this to the title of the first book.
Halo The Fall of Reach
Halo Reach Falls 2010
Hmmmmmm
They look pretty similar top me.
Only two words are missing and a year was added.

I believe it's a play on words. The word Falls is probably referring to the season the game is likely to be released and the destruction of Reach. It would be kinda dumb to say Halo Reach Falls Fall 2010.



Here is what the game will most likely be about. It will follow the spartans who went to the surface of Reach to defend the reactors that power the orbital defense platforms. Not likely, the spartan clearly states he is Spartan 259, while the Spartan II project only had 150 subject. The book first book focused on the Spartan IIs



The Master Chief arrives just in time to save them
Eh no, The Chief has been away during the battle of Reach.



Besides it's been confirmed the Reach game is a new story about a group of Spartans. I would provide the link, I'm searching for it now.

[Edited on 09.06.2009 9:42 AM PDT]

  • 09.06.2009 9:40 AM PDT

Beware the smiley face! =D

I havent read the books, but judging by the comments here you have been quite inaccurate.

Also, I disagree with your ranking system. You shouldnt lose points for dying etc. What if the team evening system messes up like it does sometimes in Halo 3, and gives you a team three times as good as you are? And you end up going -10 simply because youve been given an unfair match.

Also, the Spartans in the banner havent been confirmed but its highly likely that they are the Spartans named in another thread ( Proof, that I know all of the spartans in the Banner. EDIT #4 by privet caboose)



[Edited on 09.06.2009 9:52 AM PDT]

  • 09.06.2009 9:51 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Sierra =/= Spartan.

Sierra 259 is probably a Spartan but its not 100% guaranteed. Sierra is the Nato Phonetic word for S, and was used in the military for Sniper/Scout. Its only in Halo that Sierra can, and only can, mean Spartan.

As for your wall of text. I read it all and well thought out, and I cannot say whether I agree or not. Personally I will wait for more info, then decide.

  • 09.06.2009 10:05 AM PDT

You are mistaken because the Master Chief and a couple other Spartans were on Keyes' ship when Reach fell and he wanted to go down to the ground to rescue them since they were part of his team. He also had some parts to play with the Reach mission although he didn't go to the ground

  • 09.06.2009 10:05 AM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

What a load of crap....

  • 09.06.2009 10:06 AM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: BungieShon
What are you talking about? Master Chief and the other Spartans were on Keyes' ship when Reach was attacked. John and the other Spartans were beggining a mission to hijack a Covenant vessel, make their way to the Covenant homeworld, and abduct a Prophet. They had just left Reach when the news came and all they did was turn around and go fight. NO SPECULATION?? Tell me where Bungie said we won't play as the Master Cheif because he's on the first Halo ring. The majority of your opening post is SPECULATION and bull-blam!-. You are nothing but a joke.


The Pillar of Autumn didn't even make it out of Epsilon Eridani, the system that has Reach in it, before it was called back to fight. If you read the books then you would know that a group of spartans went to the surface of Reach while MC and a couple spartans destroyed a nav data crystal on a ship docked in an orbit facility. Right after MC destroyed the crystal he was picked up by the Pillar of Autumn and the other spartans were left on the surface of Reach, and they fought the Covenant for several days while on the surface. The Pillar of Autumn and MC were at the first Halo while the spartans were on the surface of Reach. After MC destroyes they first Halo he makes his way back to Reach and saves the surviving spartans and a few others. If we played a game that focuses on the events surrounding Reach and MC is the main character then Bungie would end up remakes Halo CE or there would be a huge hole in the story. Now you just look retarded because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

  • 09.06.2009 10:56 AM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: the n00b pwner
master chief was NOT on halo during the events of reach, he was wiping the data on the satellite with james and linda, read the book


I did read the book you moron. MC was at the first Halo while events on the SURFACE of Reach were taking place. MC only did one thing while Reach was attacked and that was destroy the data crystal in a ship docked to an ORBITAL station. MC only went to the surface of Reach after he came back from destroying the first Halo. Maybe you should read the books again.

  • 09.06.2009 10:59 AM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: blarghonk2
Here's something to kill your own theory, that I've pointed out many times.
Gamma station, this is Fermiad RSO, we have unconfirmed reports of an in-system slip space rupture.
The covenant couldn't make in system jumps until after cortana discovered it in first strike. Therefore, Halo: Reach is not based around the books or takes place after first strike.
Pwnt.


You are retarded.... The Covenant could allways make in system jumps. It was a huge advantage that they had over UNSC ships. You would know if you had read the books. You are thinking of in atmosphere jumps. The Covenant didn't know that was possible until Cortana used one of their ships to do it.

Good job looking like an idiot....

  • 09.06.2009 11:02 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: NME Overlord
Sierra =/= Spartan.

Sierra 259 is probably a Spartan but its not 100% guaranteed. Sierra is the Nato Phonetic word for S, and was used in the military for Sniper/Scout. Its only in Halo that Sierra can, and only can, mean Spartan.

As for your wall of text. I read it all and well thought out, and I cannot say whether I agree or not. Personally I will wait for more info, then decide.

  • 09.06.2009 11:03 AM PDT

"Go then, there are other worlds than these."

The whole "From the beginning, you know the end" is referring to the beginning of Halo CE, as thats where "Halo: The Fall of Reach" ends, with the Pillar of Autumn making the slipspace jump to the vicinity of installation 04, leading directly into the events in the first game.

  • 09.06.2009 11:06 AM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: Rammal94
I havent read the books, but judging by the comments here you have been quite inaccurate.

Also, I disagree with your ranking system. You shouldnt lose points for dying etc. What if the team evening system messes up like it does sometimes in Halo 3, and gives you a team three times as good as you are? And you end up going -10 simply because youve been given an unfair match.

Also, the Spartans in the banner havent been confirmed but its highly likely that they are the Spartans named in another thread ( Proof, that I know all of the spartans in the Banner. EDIT #4 by privet caboose)



If you haven't read the books then you have no idea what the heck you are talking about so go get the books and enlighten yourself.

The idea of getting and losing points is that you can lose your rank if you don't help your team win. If Bungie used my system and it only paired you with people of a rank close to yours then you would never have a noob on your team. Also, you allways get more points from a win then you would lose if you lost. You can get up to 12 for a win but you can only lose up to 11. This makes points hard to earn and keep. The idea is to make high levels a rare things to attain, and also make high levels a mark of your skill and not just, oh look at how much i played the game. I'm a 50 but I'm still a noob.

  • 09.06.2009 11:08 AM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: NME Overlord
Sierra =/= Spartan.

Sierra 259 is probably a Spartan but its not 100% guaranteed. Sierra is the Nato Phonetic word for S, and was used in the military for Sniper/Scout. Its only in Halo that Sierra can, and only can, mean Spartan.

As for your wall of text. I read it all and well thought out, and I cannot say whether I agree or not. Personally I will wait for more info, then decide.


In the Halo universe, sierra is code for Spartan all the time. Sierra is allways used for spartans and not snipers. Every time a spartana gives a call sign in the book it starts with Sierra..... Why would it magically change. Plus, did you not read my post?????

You clearly hear a male voice say this is sierra 259 youve got spartans on the ground sir, were not going anywhere. He is obviously talking about himself because he says we after sya you got spartans on the ground.

  • 09.06.2009 11:13 AM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: trickybuz93
You are mistaken because the Master Chief and a couple other Spartans were on Keyes' ship when Reach fell and he wanted to go down to the ground to rescue them since they were part of his team. He also had some parts to play with the Reach mission although he didn't go to the ground


My point exactly is he never went to the surface of Reach until after he came back to Reach from destroying the first Halo.... MC was only on the surface long enough to rescue the Spartans and other who were still alive. I'm not saying we wont see MC, we just wont play as MC.

  • 09.06.2009 11:16 AM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: SplatterHappy
The whole "From the beginning, you know the end" is referring to the beginning of Halo CE, as thats where "Halo: The Fall of Reach" ends, with the Pillar of Autumn making the slipspace jump to the vicinity of installation 04, leading directly into the events in the first game.



The battle for Reach ended when the Pillar of Autumn left Reach, but there was still plenty of fighting going on down on the surface of Reach. The fighting on the surface is the only material that Bungie can use to make an FPS. The fighting on the surface also lasted for days and that is plenty of time and material to make a good single player campaign.

  • 09.06.2009 11:19 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Alright, I'll bite.

In all the time I've spent in the Reach forum, I've never read such a blatant lie.

Sierra is used for Spartan all the time? Since when?

It was only used TWICE, on Earth, near the VERY END of the war. Not once was it used before this instance.

  • 09.06.2009 11:22 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Look up things before you make statements.

Plus he states "This is Sierra 259. You've got Spartans on the Ground. We're not going anywhere"

Put yourself into the situation of a marine... You are on Reach when Spartans land. You radio in saying Spartans are on the ground. Would you say "They aren't going anywhere" or "We're not going anywhere"? You would say number 2, as it makes you sound like you are brave and willing to stand up to the enemy with Spartan help. Number 1 makes you sound like you are running away and they are going to guard your back.

Please think. I agree'd with you, and only pointed out one of the many flaws I could have pointed out, but I decided to be nice, give you a break, but obviously I was mistaken.

  • 09.06.2009 11:23 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Never mind.

[Edited on 09.06.2009 11:30 AM PDT]

  • 09.06.2009 11:30 AM PDT

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