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Subject: Halo Reach, Real Info and NOT Speculation!!!

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

There are not that many times that the spartans actually have to give their call signs but when they do it allways starts with sierra. The likelyhood that sierra 259 doesn't mean spartan is small. The only thing that makes me doubt it is the fact that there were only 150 original spartans, but that number has been messed with once already when Halo Wars came out and SoF got stuck out in the galaxy without a slip space drive. The math on the actual number of spartans never adds up anymore. He is definatley talking about spartans so no matter what, we know there is a group of spartans and as far as sierra 259. the logical conclusion is sierra is code for spartan.

Please point out everything you think is flawed.

  • 09.06.2009 11:36 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: xAssault12x
There are not that many times that the spartans actually have to give their call signs but when they do it allways starts with sierra. The likelyhood that sierra 259 doesn't mean spartan is small. The only thing that makes me doubt it is the fact that there were only 150 original spartans, but that number has been messed with once already when Halo Wars came out and SoF got stuck out in the galaxy without a slip space drive. The math on the actual number of spartans never adds up anymore. He is definatley talking about spartans so no matter what, we know there is a group of spartans and as far as sierra 259. the logical conclusion is sierra is code for spartan.

Please point out everything you think is flawed.


Name one instance, from the books or any other halo game besides Halo 3, where a Spartan is referred to as "Sierra." Each time a spartan gives his full call sign, it's "Spartan ___"

And example is at the very end of Halo 2,

"This is Spartan 117"
"Master Chief? Mind telling me what you're doing on that ship?"
"Sir, finishing this fight"

  • 09.06.2009 11:39 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

You make new points, ignoring my arguements because you know they are 100% right! Just click the link for an example of Sierra=/= Spartan.

  • 09.06.2009 11:42 AM PDT

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you'll be safe from peril
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if you avoid David Powel
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Posted by: xAssault12x


The last words we see are Halo Reach Falls 2010.
Compare this to the title of the first book.
Halo The Fall of Reach
Halo Reach Falls 2010
Hmmmmmm
They look pretty similar top me.
Only two words are missing and a year was added.

If you read Halo The Fall of Reach and Halo First Strike then you know that Halo Reach is going to be made from the books.



You do know that the Fall of Reach is an event as well as a novel, right? Reach Falls 2010 is like ODST Drops 9-22-09, a bit of wordplay spicing up the release date.

The only thing to be assumed with some certainty is that Halo Reach will be set during the Battle of Reach and will be "on the ground." A somewhat less certain but still reasonable assumption is that Halo Reach will contain Class 2 Spartan-IIs. Any other guesses at Reach's story are just rampant speculation.

Also, they're hardly similar at all.

Halo The Fall of Reach
Halo Reach Falls 2010.

To get from the first to the second we remove "the" and "of", swap "fall" and "reach", pluralize "fall", and add 2010 on the end. That's quite a conversion for a four word phrase.

  • 09.06.2009 11:54 AM PDT

Who needs a Sniper rifle when you can just ram a warthog down their throat?

i do agree with the Class 2 Spartans.. wernt they starting the training of new recruits on the graduation of the chief and his class? and think of how much crap they went through before Reach actually fell.. i think class 2 sounds pretty much like a good guess. as for the in-system jumps The covies have always been able to jump within feet of a planets orbit but yeah never in atmosphere until cortana did it in the atmosphere of a gas giant. But meh thats my two cents. to me anything bungie makes regarding the halo-verse is coolbeans i love the story and honestly people who -blam!- and complain about their games need to stop being critics.. take it for what its worth.. I wanna see a Halo movie and seriously CGI Halo movie wouldnt be too bad.. i know Resident Evil: Degeneration looked pretty sweet. but oh well.

  • 09.06.2009 12:11 PM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

You make a good points about the Sierra =/= Spartan, but it is still a logical assumption. Sierra was used as a code word for Spartan, so why not use it in Halo Reach? Maybe Bungie used Sierra as code for spartan and since they liked it so much they will only use it from now on. Who knows? Bungie and they will not tell until the game is about to come out. I think the safe bet is to go with Sierra = Spartan.

  • 09.06.2009 12:56 PM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Posted by: xAssault12x


The last words we see are Halo Reach Falls 2010.
Compare this to the title of the first book.
Halo The Fall of Reach
Halo Reach Falls 2010
Hmmmmmm
They look pretty similar top me.
Only two words are missing and a year was added.

If you read Halo The Fall of Reach and Halo First Strike then you know that Halo Reach is going to be made from the books.



You do know that the Fall of Reach is an event as well as a novel, right? Reach Falls 2010 is like ODST Drops 9-22-09, a bit of wordplay spicing up the release date.

The only thing to be assumed with some certainty is that Halo Reach will be set during the Battle of Reach and will be "on the ground." A somewhat less certain but still reasonable assumption is that Halo Reach will contain Class 2 Spartan-IIs. Any other guesses at Reach's story are just rampant speculation.

Also, they're hardly similar at all.

Halo The Fall of Reach
Halo Reach Falls 2010.

To get from the first to the second we remove "the" and "of", swap "fall" and "reach", pluralize "fall", and add 2010 on the end. That's quite a conversion for a four word phrase.


It is most definetly a play on words. Bungie likes that and I agree with your assesment, but why would they say Falls 2010? Lets think about it. If they were trying to play around with words then we just decode their message.

Halo Reach -- This obviously means that the central location that the game will take place on is Reach.

Falls 2010 -- This is the part that Bungie really played with to screws with us but it still tells us a lot. When you say something Falls then that means it was brought down from a previous high point to a lower point or perhaps the all the way to the very bottom. Reach Fell when it was attacked by the Covenant. Keep up with me here. The game is taking us back in time to relive what has already happened. How would someone talk about The Fall of Reach if they knew it was going to happen? Reach will fall. Reach falls in 2010 Halo Reach Falls 2010. Not only is the title similar in words but in thought to the title of the first book.

Halo the Fall of Reach
Halo Reach Falls 2010

The title is telling us that Reach will fall next year. Bungie is saying that you will get to fight in the Fall of Reach next year. From the beginnig you know the end. We know that Reach Falls to the Covenant. I don't see why it can't be that Bungie played with the first books title to make the game's title....

[Edited on 09.06.2009 1:12 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2009 1:09 PM PDT

Wherever you roam
so far from home
you'll be safe from peril
life threatening and terrible
if you avoid David Powel
and keep track of your towel.

Concluding that Halo Reach occurs during the Battle of Reach and that the game will be released next year doesn't require even a fraction of the thought you seem to think it does.

The trailer depicted battle, almost certainly with the Covenant. The game is Halo Reach, Reach is a planet that was attacked by the Covenant. Therefore Halo Reach takes place during the Battle of Reach. And it will be released in 2010 because they say it will at the end of the trailer.

As long as you speak English and have a working knowledge of major events in the Halo universe this should be painfully obvious.

  • 09.06.2009 1:19 PM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Concluding that Halo Reach occurs during the Battle of Reach and that the game will be released next year doesn't require even a fraction of the thought you seem to think it does.

The trailer depicted battle, almost certainly with the Covenant. The game is Halo Reach, Reach is a planet that was attacked by the Covenant. Therefore Halo Reach takes place during the Battle of Reach. And it will be released in 2010 because they say it will at the end of the trailer.

As long as you speak English and have a working knowledge of major events in the Halo universe this should be painfully obvious.


This is very true but I am trying to make the point that the game will follow the first and maybe third book. No one seems to get it......

  • 09.06.2009 1:22 PM PDT

Wherever you roam
so far from home
you'll be safe from peril
life threatening and terrible
if you avoid David Powel
and keep track of your towel.

Posted by: xAssault12x

This is very true but I am trying to make the point that the game will follow the first and maybe third book. No one seems to get it......


I'm sure it will draw inspiration from Fall of Reach and First Strike, but every character heard in the trailer is completely new.

  • 09.06.2009 1:26 PM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Unless its a named Spartan who we don't know their tag. James/Cassandra?

  • 09.06.2009 1:28 PM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

Posted by: Billy5280
Thank you for explaining this to all the 12 year olds who scream they are marines!

I'm 19 and think they might not be Spartans. They probably are, but not 100% guaranteed.

  • 09.06.2009 1:35 PM PDT

It is in fact true that there were only 150 spartans. However in the fall of reach they spoke of having 300 candidates for the program but not enough funding, so they only used 150 spatans because thats all they could afford. However the spartans have always been numbered from the original list of 300 because master cheif when Halsley went and investigated first as a child was subject 117 and that never changed when his actual training in reach began.

  • 09.06.2009 1:48 PM PDT

The fact that there were only 150 spartens is true. However in the book The fall of reach they pointed out that there were 300 subjects that they wanted to use however they could only get funding for half that number. Also I know they never changed the spartans numbers because when Halsley went to see John as a kid he was subject 117 and this did not change when he finaly began his training on reach.

  • 09.06.2009 1:52 PM PDT

Damn i thought that other didnt go up sorry. haha

  • 09.06.2009 1:54 PM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Lol. Nice. That is very true. We are foolish to assume that just because there are only 150 spartans that they ar numbered 001-150 when John's numbe did in fact cary over from subject number to his call sign. Maybe out of the 300 candidates their number were actually 001-800. Maybe she had more then three hundred potential subjects but narrowed it down to 300 hundred later. So Spartans could be numbered 1 - almost anything.

  • 09.06.2009 2:51 PM PDT

Wherever you roam
so far from home
you'll be safe from peril
life threatening and terrible
if you avoid David Powel
and keep track of your towel.

Posted by: SoulsAfire
The fact that there were only 150 spartens is true. However in the book The fall of reach they pointed out that there were 300 subjects that they wanted to use however they could only get funding for half that number. Also I know they never changed the spartans numbers because when Halsley went to see John as a kid he was subject 117 and this did not change when he finaly began his training on reach.


No.

What was said that there's 150 candidates and only funding for half that number. There were 75 Spartan trainees with numbers in the range of 001-150.

The evaluations were only to determine which of the 150 candidates would best fill their 75 slots.

[Edited on 09.07.2009 6:50 AM PDT]

  • 09.07.2009 6:49 AM PDT

Posted by: xAssault12x
Posted by: the n00b pwner
master chief was NOT on halo during the events of reach, he was wiping the data on the satellite with james and linda, read the book


I did read the book you moron. MC was at the first Halo while events on the SURFACE of Reach were taking place. MC only did one thing while Reach was attacked and that was destroy the data crystal in a ship docked to an ORBITAL station. MC only went to the surface of Reach after he came back from destroying the first Halo. Maybe you should read the books again.


that is mostly true except the battle of reach was over when master chief left, only a few spartans, dr. halsey, and admiral whitcomb were left, master chief returned for them only a couple days later because a time distortion

  • 09.07.2009 10:08 AM PDT

--Join the Spartan Legion and crush all who stand in our path!--

what the n00b pwner and eldritch warlord said, also at the end of halo 3 how is it impossible to be reach?the covenant didnt destroy it they just glassed it, maybe there are some secrets still buried deep beneath the surface.

[Edited on 09.07.2009 11:48 AM PDT]

  • 09.07.2009 11:46 AM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

I stopped reading when you said:

"You will not play as the Master Chief. How do I know this? Easy. While the events that took place on the surface of Reach were unfolding, the Master Chief was busy destroying the First Halo. Another thing you would already know if you had read the books."

Are you kidding me?

Not only did you not specify the time NOR the specific events in which you're trying to get at to defend your position, most people would be safe in assuming that when you refer to "the events that took place on the surface of Reach..." that you would be insinuating the first battle of Reach, or the fall of Reach.

Pure and simple, this is a PREQUEL to the HALO TRILOGY. Therefore it is well speculated (far more than your "facts"), that this game will chronicle the events that first took place on Reach. And at this time, no one even knew the Rings existed, and the Chief only reached the first Ring (Installation 04) in Halo: Combat Evolved.

So okay, what you're trying to say, is that this game involves and chronicles the EXACT same timeline as Halo: Combat Evolved, but simply in another place? When Reach had already been destroyed by a Covenant fleet?

I don't even think you know what you're talking about.


[Edited on 09.07.2009 12:10 PM PDT]

  • 09.07.2009 11:59 AM PDT

FOOD!!!

My point exactly is he never went to the surface of Reach until after he came back to Reach from destroying the first Halo.... MC was only on the surface long enough to rescue the Spartans and other who were still alive. I'm not saying we wont see MC, we just wont play as MC.[/quote

i dont remember anything about MC going back to reach after destroying halo, can u point out which book and page numbers, i would like to read that part again

  • 09.07.2009 12:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Alright, I'll bite.

In all the time I've spent in the Reach forum, I've never read such a blatant lie.

Sierra is used for Spartan all the time? Since when?

It was only used TWICE, on Earth, near the VERY END of the war. Not once was it used before this instance.


And that's because we haven't seen any video games where the Covenant have made contact with humans in UNSC controlled territory other than Earth.

You are not allowed as a Spartan to identify yourself by Spartan (only Sierra) when the Covenant might hear you, thus revealing yourself.

[Edited on 09.07.2009 1:08 PM PDT]

  • 09.07.2009 12:30 PM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: Helveck
I stopped reading when you said:

"You will not play as the Master Chief. How do I know this? Easy. While the events that took place on the surface of Reach were unfolding, the Master Chief was busy destroying the First Halo. Another thing you would already know if you had read the books."

Are you kidding me?

Not only did you not specify the time NOR the specific events in which you're trying to get at to defend your position, most people would be safe in assuming that when you refer to "the events that took place on the surface of Reach..." that you would be insinuating the first battle of Reach, or the fall of Reach.

Pure and simple, this is a PREQUEL to the HALO TRILOGY. Therefore it is well speculated (far more than your "facts"), that this game will chronicle the events that first took place on Reach. And at this time, no one even knew the Rings existed, and the Chief only reached the first Ring (Installation 04) in Halo: Combat Evolved.

So okay, what you're trying to say, is that this game involves and chronicles the EXACT same timeline as Halo: Combat Evolved, but simply in another place? When Reach had already been destroyed by a Covenant fleet?

I don't even think you know what you're talking about.


Reach was only partialy glassed by the Covenant. A large forrested area over the ONI Castle facility was left untouched and thousands of Covenant troops landed there and began digging to get ot the Forerunner artifact that was under the Castle. The whole time the Covenant were on the surface of Reach digging to get the Artifact they were being attacked by the remaining spartans that were initialy sent to the surface of Reach to protect the reactors that powered the orbital defense MAC platforms. While all of that was happening MC was at the first Halo. Did you even read the books???? Obviously you didn't or I wouldn't have to type all this out....

While MC was at the first Halo a group of Spartans were fighting to keep a Forerunner artifact away from the Covenant. After MC destroys the first Halo he links up with some survivers and they make their way back to Reach and save the survivers on the surface. So back to my original point. Halo Reach will be about the events that took place on the surface of Reach. MC was at the first Halo for almost the entire time the Spartans and a few others were on Reach fighting the Covenant. You will not play as Master Chief....

  • 09.07.2009 7:53 PM PDT

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