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Subject: How Brutes would Work in Campaign and MP

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UPDATE: Serious note, If brutes can be implemented in any other way by all means that should be done, this idea is just an alternative.
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UPDATE: Brute armor permutations.
EDIT: Brutes have exactly the same shields as Spartans and Elites in MP
(They are just player models after all).
EDIT#2: (A bit off topic) Elites should be hunched up more to fix the 'invisible head problem'.
EDIT#3: Brutes in Firefight should be enemies NOT player models.

Okay to begin with, plot: The brutes were not supposed to be on reach, they were not allowed etc.
But what if there were renegade Brutes that joined in the battle of reach to get a slice of the action.
They would NOT be on the covenant side (I'll come back to that later).

How they would work: You will usually find them in a secluded area like thick jungle/forest, indoors where they will usually ambush you. They will be quite rare and they would be a lot stronger than halo 3 Brutes, in melee, toughness and they will tend to Leap around and dodge quite alot as they are supposed to be more primitive.

Armor: They will NOT have power armor in campaign but instead have more raider style armor.

So that would mean Ammo belts (Or maybe spikes seeing as they use spikers) wrapped around them, Leather straps to hold their equipment and some brutes would have metal helmets. Mabye Ceremonial armor which looks similar to power armor but less shiny and more detailed.

Weapons: Pretty much all the Brute weapons: Spiker, Mauler, Brute Shot, Grav Hammer,
Brute Plasma rifle as well as a New one I invented the Spike rifle (If you can think of a better name please tell me) Which is sort of like a trench gun (longer range shotgun).

Vehicles: Chopper, I dont think the prowler would really be used. There could be a hidden chopper somewhere on one of the missions.

Campaign: Now bringing all that together there would be only a couple of brutes in the game which would be in secluded areas and would be ALMOST as challanging as a Hunter.
Most Brutes would have primitive armor but Chieftains would have ceremonial (There will probably be only one chieftain). If the Covenant and the brutes where at the same place they would be fighting each other, because they are SUPPOSEDLY against the Covenant. This would make good three way battles seeing as with the lack of the flood Halo Reach would be lacking that.
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Posted by: Banshee Hallow
Sounds good...The HUD(Heads Up Display) Should be red...unlike the spartans(blue) or the Elites (green)

Good idea, I like it.

Multiplayer: Brutes should be available in multiplayer and before you start complaining cough#MLG#cough, read this.

Armor: The armor permutations would be power armor as it means the colours would be the same as Spartans and Elites. They would have energy shields even though power armor is different to Shields (Remember this is MP after all).
They would be of equal height as Spartans and Elites. This would work out because Brutes are taller that humans but Spartans are taller than most humans anyway.

Firefight: IF Reach has firefight then the Brutes should be included in that too (as an enemy). They would play like they do in Reach campaign but there would also be power armored brutes that will be stronger.

Brute Armor permutations:
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Brute honor guard (armor would not stick out as much and would only be in multiplayer and firefight (as an enemy).

Thank you If you made it this far through my post and please comment.

[Edited on 09.29.2009 10:38 AM PDT]

  • 09.04.2009 7:16 AM PDT

Sounds nice and well thought out

  • 09.04.2009 7:22 AM PDT

Brutes weren't allowed on Reach?

Meh, I thought that they would back up the elites in small numbers in a close quarter combat role while the elites are more of a medium range enemy. I mean think about it, brutes wield:

Maulers - Close Range Weapon
Spikers - Close Range Weapon
Spike Grenades - Effective at Close Range
Flame Grenades - Effective at Close Range
Hammer - Melee Range Weapon
Brute Plasma Rifle - Close Range Weapon
Brute Shot - Close Range Weapon
Brute Pimp Slap - Melee Range Weapon

They are a race of close range warriors. It makes for them to run ahead of the elites and soak up bullets as they try to kill you up close as the Elites kill you from cover farther back with their carbines.

The major reason why I think that Halo 3's campaign was so damn easy was that most the enemies capable of attacking you at medium range or beyond had no shields and made them easy to take out with a BR.

  • 09.04.2009 7:57 AM PDT

Posted by: Hylebos
Brutes weren't allowed on Reach?
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Well I don't exactly know, but if that is the case then this would be the solution.

  • 09.04.2009 8:18 AM PDT
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This is genius! I love the idea, and to play as a brute in matchmaking? Halleluja! Much better than recon!

  • 09.04.2009 8:28 AM PDT

Just enjoy the damn game!
Who cares about BR vs AR

No! No!! NOOO!!!!

My opinion though.

  • 09.04.2009 8:30 AM PDT

Posted by: Ghostintor
This is genius! I love the idea, and to play as a brute in matchmaking? Halleluja! Much better than recon!


Thank you! I agree its much better to have more player models than just loads of variations (though variations are good aswell).

  • 09.04.2009 8:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

We should play as a grunt with shields in MP, but an oversized grunt lol

  • 09.04.2009 8:32 AM PDT

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

Why make brutes the same size? Why not just give each race their own properties?

I wish brutes would be in multiplayer and that they would give all three races different properties. Such as:

Spartans - Strong shields, low health, medium melee

Elites - Medium shields, medium health, medium melee

Brutes - No shields, strong health, strong melee


This would add a new dynamic to the game and make different weapons much more useful for different situations and against different enemies.

  • 09.04.2009 8:32 AM PDT

Posted by: Tyguy101
Why make brutes the same size? Why not just give each race their own properties?

I wish brutes would be in multiplayer and that they would give all three races different properties. Such as:

Spartans - Strong shields, low health, medium melee

Elites - Medium shields, medium health, medium melee

Brutes - No shields, strong health, strong melee


This would add a new dynamic to the game and make different weapons much more useful for different situations and against different enemies.


Would be good, but wouldn't happen. cough#MLG#cough, sorry feeling a bit rough today.

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thats a awesome idea about the brutes in mp and the rest I LIKE IT and Tyguy101 I agree about that , it would make the game a lot better and more tactical

and I was always thinking about it , I mean why not make brutes playable for mp they are already programmated and a lot different brute armors too, and ja a lot people would say : no that not works cause brutes got no shields man then give them shields thats not really a big thing !

ey and did you guys ever see that brutes using regenerater in campagne ? I did and I think that makes no sence cause they dont have a shield !

  • 09.04.2009 8:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

How about this:

- They have the armour/shields like they did in Halo 3, but get rid of the armour's break-off feature. It stays on.
- The armour is not shiny like in Halo 3, but available in all the colours Spartans/Elites get.
- Slightly hunched to be at Spartan/Elite height.

  • 09.04.2009 8:47 AM PDT

Posted by: CoolCJ24
How about this:

- They have the armour/shields like they did in Halo 3, but get rid of the armour's break-off feature. It stays on.
- The armour is not shiny like in Halo 3, but available in all the colours Spartans/Elites get.
- Slightly hunched to be at Spartan/Elite height.


Yeah I meant use the same shields as Spartans and elites because they are exactly the same anyway on multiplayer.
Thanks for posting!

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I like that and why not ?

  • 09.04.2009 8:51 AM PDT

Sorry for bumping but this took me a while to make.

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Posted by: Tyguy101
Why make brutes the same size? Why not just give each race their own properties?

I wish brutes would be in multiplayer and that they would give all three races different properties. Such as:

Spartans - Strong shields, low health, medium melee

Elites - Medium shields, medium health, medium melee

Brutes - No shields, strong health, strong melee


This would add a new dynamic to the game and make different weapons much more useful for different situations and against different enemies.


I don't EXACTLY agree with this..

But if it did happen, I would want the Brute to have sheilds AT LEAST. I mean once someone picks ob a BR, They're dead.

  • 09.04.2009 10:18 AM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

You know something, why don't we just make the Elites and Spartans taller? It will make the Elites less hunched like dinos and the Spartans will look more awesome.

  • 09.04.2009 11:05 AM PDT

Posted by: YumBuscuitMan
You know something, why don't we just make the Elites and Spartans taller? It will make the Elites less hunched like dinos and the Spartans will look more awesome.


well if they are all the same height they can be any height.

  • 09.04.2009 12:12 PM PDT

No, brutes should not be playable in MP, look how Elites are being treated now, multiply it about 7fold.

Unbalanced MP is rediculously stupid.

Denied.

MLG approved.

Also what you got against MLG? Balance matters, even to non-pro gamers

  • 09.04.2009 12:21 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

So it sounds sort of like the Halo 2 Brutes. I like the idea, they were a lot better. When I ran into a Brute in Halo 2 it wasn't going down easy, it was going to try to tear me limb from limb. The Halo 3 ones sort of lost something.

Anyway, as for in Matchmaking, I think they don't need power armour, their damage resistance can count for shields. But I'd like to see a height difference implemented for the Matchmaking as a whole. Spartans being the shortest, then slightly taller, because they hunch down for combat, with Brutes a full foot taller and somewhat bulkier than the others. It would just seem more authentic.

  • 09.04.2009 12:22 PM PDT

Posted by: RvB Caboose 0
No, brutes should not be playable in MP, look how Elites are being treated now, multiply it about 7fold.

Unbalanced MP is rediculously stupid.

Denied.

MLG approved.

Also what you got against MLG? Balance matters, even to non-pro gamers


It doesn't balance things, it just puts it in favor of the so-called pro's. Play the game how it was meant to be played, there a lots of strategies besides picking up the BR.

On a side note brutes would be the same height have the same shields, same melee as Spartans and Elites so it would be balanced.

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I agree !!!

  • 09.04.2009 12:42 PM PDT

Posted by: SpecOps1491
I agree !!!

Thank you!!!

  • 09.04.2009 1:00 PM PDT

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

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Posted by: Tyguy101
Why make brutes the same size? Why not just give each race their own properties?

I wish brutes would be in multiplayer and that they would give all three races different properties. Such as:

Spartans - Strong shields, low health, medium melee

Elites - Medium shields, medium health, medium melee

Brutes - No shields, strong health, strong melee


This would add a new dynamic to the game and make different weapons much more useful for different situations and against different enemies.


I don't EXACTLY agree with this..

But if it did happen, I would want the Brute to have sheilds AT LEAST. I mean once someone picks ob a BR, They're dead.


If they were going to make a change like this, you would need to throw out everything you think you know about weapons and damage and start from scratch.

For example, not saying how it would have to be:

BR's would do little damage to spartans shields, 4-5 shots to take off and 1 headshot to kill.
BR's would take 3-4 shots to take Elites shields off, and 2 headshots to kill.
BR's would take 4 headshots to take down an Brute

PR would take down a Spartans shield in 3-4 hits and kill in 4-5 more hits
PR would take down an elites shield in 2-3 hits and kill them in 5-6 hits
PR would kill a Brute in 9-10 shots

So there would be a balance, just everything would not be equal. If most people are playing brutes, it would be best to have a BR handy. Running into lots of Spartans? Better have some plasma weapon available or you will spend all your time trying to get the shields off. Elites would be a good mix.

No more one weapon end alls for any situation. In team doubles, play as a Brute and Spartan and make sure one player has a hard time taking both of you out.

It is BALANCE, without EQUALITY. Make sense?

  • 09.04.2009 1:00 PM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

Brute Pimp Slap - Melee Range Weapon

It destroys your shields and your self respect and the same time!

  • 09.04.2009 1:09 PM PDT

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