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Subject: I dont understand your logic, people.

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Why cant brutes be on reach? they were on harvest...25 years before the time in which the battle of reach took place. also, people keep saying the covenant wanted only elites to lead the invasion because the brutes were too destructive and might destroy artifacts. while that DOES get explained in the books, the covenant would problably send in brutes anyway. They wouldnt be as common as elites on the planet...but we should still fight them EVERY NOW AND THEN. A combination of brute/elites would spice up the game, making you use more damagin weapons for brutes and sheild eating weapons for elites.

To people who say the spartan laser/battle rifle/grav hammer/brute shot/spike grenade/etc etc... cant be in the game, just because YOU didnt see those things in Halo1 dosent mean they didnt exist before. example: the spartan laser was in wars...which that event took place 20 some yrs b4 Halo 1,2, and 3. Also, srgt johnson was in a hornet in contact harvest.iun the start of the book.

If that wasnt enough, the halo trilogy takes place in less than a month (to my knowledge) so here is my rough timeline (not totally accurate)

Pillar of autumn hyperjump to halo:took around 3 days

battles that took place on Halo:CE : 3-4 days, based around the number of nighttime levels.

hyperspace jump to covenant starbase(first strike): id guestimate 1 day due to pwnage covenant slipspace drives.

jump to earth(start of halo2):1 day

battles on earth: 10 hrs

jump to delta halo: 1 day

battles on delta halo:2 days judging by nighttime levels

slipspace back to earth:1 day

(start of halo3): battles on earth: 16 hrs

slipspace jump to arc: 1 day

battles on arc: 1 day

which adds up to around 13 days...but im sure that it is minus or plus a few days. but if you are smart, you can figure out the unsc/covenant cou;dnt have POSSIBLY made the hornet, scarab, brute chopper, spartan lazer, brute shot...etc in less than a year...let alone 2 weeks.

sorry if my post is long. if you have any issues please adress them. however if you obviously did not read the post, you will be ignored

  • 09.04.2009 3:10 PM PDT

brutes should definately be in reach especially grav hammer ones since hunters have become to easy, oh and scarabs too but bigger than halo 3 ones maybe, i agree with the timeline i mean no military comes up with that many new weapons and vehicle technology in that amount of time who the hell cares if it doesnt seem chronologically correct it would make the game better

  • 09.04.2009 3:17 PM PDT
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Yeah. Instead of limiting the number of enemies, increase it. Add the Brutes and maybe even some cut enemies. I'd love to see the Drinol in this game. Doberman Gator anyone?

  • 09.04.2009 3:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

The specific timeline is:
The PoA arrives at Halo on Sept 19
The human covenant war ends Mar 3
About 6 months

  • 09.04.2009 3:18 PM PDT

Elites worried about their positions. The failure on Harvest gave them an excuse to take them outta the front lines. Brutes weren't allowed back until the Great Schism. It wouldn't make sense for them to be on Reach. Do your research.

  • 09.04.2009 3:21 PM PDT

Spartan Lasers would be acceptable though.

  • 09.04.2009 3:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

Posted by: P3P5I
The specific timeline is:
The PoA arrives at Halo on Sept 19
The human covenant war ends Mar 3
About 6 months
They held the ceremony on March 3rd. I think the war did end in 2552.

  • 09.04.2009 3:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Plasma3150
Elites worried about their positions. The failure on Harvest gave them an excuse to take them outta the front lines. Brutes weren't allowed back until the Great Schism. It wouldn't make sense for them to be on Reach. Do your research.

Um....Mr. Canon Guy? Does it matter? Include the Brutes. Make them more primal and beastly.

  • 09.04.2009 3:23 PM PDT

Book detailing Reach never mentioned Brutes :x Master Chief didn't even encounter Brutes until Operation: First Strike book which took place between Halo 1 and 2. So cannon wise Brutes shouldn't be on Reach. As for Brutes on Harvest I believe it was one ship or so? Lead specificly under the PoR

  • 09.04.2009 3:24 PM PDT

Posted by: Go Vader
Posted by: Plasma3150
Elites worried about their positions. The failure on Harvest gave them an excuse to take them outta the front lines. Brutes weren't allowed back until the Great Schism. It wouldn't make sense for them to be on Reach. Do your research.

Um....Mr. Canon Guy? Does it matter? Include the Brutes. Make them more primal and beastly.

Actually, it kind of does. A good portion of the Halo Story would be torn down.

  • 09.04.2009 3:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Plasma3150
Posted by: Go Vader
Posted by: Plasma3150
Elites worried about their positions. The failure on Harvest gave them an excuse to take them outta the front lines. Brutes weren't allowed back until the Great Schism. It wouldn't make sense for them to be on Reach. Do your research.

Um....Mr. Canon Guy? Does it matter? Include the Brutes. Make them more primal and beastly.

Actually, it kind of does. A good portion of the Halo Story would be torn down.

That pretty much happened with Halo Wars already, but it was a damn fine game.

[Edited on 09.04.2009 3:29 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2009 3:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Go Vader
Posted by: Plasma3150
Posted by: Go Vader
Posted by: Plasma3150
Elites worried about their positions. The failure on Harvest gave them an excuse to take them outta the front lines. Brutes weren't allowed back until the Great Schism. It wouldn't make sense for them to be on Reach. Do your research.

Um....Mr. Canon Guy? Does it matter? Include the Brutes. Make them more primal and beastly.

Actually, it kind of does. A good portion of the Halo Story would be torn down.

That pretty much happened with Halo Wars already, but it was a damn fine game.

Halo Wars can be considered canon, because the Brutes were not on the Frontlines, but instead were used to destroy the Flood. Spirit of Fire couldn't tell about the flood because they used their SlipSpace Engine to destroy the Forerunner Shield World.

P.S.: I agree with you about Halo Wars being a good game though.

[Edited on 09.04.2009 3:33 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2009 3:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: Plasma3150
Halo Wars can be considered canon, because the Brutes were not on the Frontlines, but instead were used to destroy the Flood. Spirit of Fire couldn't tell about the flood because they used their SlipSpace Engine to destroy the Forerunner Shield World.

I believe Spartan group Omega was on Reach (as well as the SoF) so they had to have made it back.

  • 09.04.2009 3:37 PM PDT

you know all this stuff isnt real right??? it came out of some guys head things can change to make the game better it doesnt make the game any better sticking to the stric timeline of events

  • 09.04.2009 3:39 PM PDT

Posted by: SP4C3GH0ST17
you know all this stuff isnt real right??? it came out of some guys head things can change to make the game better it doesnt make the game any better sticking to the stric timeline of events

After you make a timeline, you can't dismantle it. It will make your other games of the series void.

  • 09.04.2009 3:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma3150
Halo Wars can be considered canon, because the Brutes were not on the Frontlines, but instead were used to destroy the Flood. Spirit of Fire couldn't tell about the flood because they used their SlipSpace Engine to destroy the Forerunner Shield World.

I believe Spartan group Omega was on Reach (as well as the SoF) so they had to have made it back.


No. The SoF was considered lost with all hands by the UNSC. Spartan Grey Team was out far behind enemy lines. Only 25 Spartans from the first class were present at Reach. (There is speculation that the second class of Spartan IIs mentioned in the books and iLoveBees could have been there.)

Also, just because the book doesn't mention Brutes on the planet doesn't mean there weren't any. It never mentions Sierra 259 or It does not detail every battle that took place on the planet. Brutes were not taken off the front lines by the Elites, they were relegated to a more subservient status. That is why the Elites used them to fight the Flood at the Shield World. They had to follow orders from the Elites, but they were still there. There weren't a whole lot of Artifacts present on Earth besides the Ark that the Covenant were worried about. And I doubt that even they were worried about the Brutes destroying the portal. It is kind of big and built to last by the Forerunner.

  • 09.04.2009 3:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Go Vader
Yeah. Instead of limiting the number of enemies, increase it. Add the Brutes and maybe even some cut enemies. I'd love to see the Drinol in this game. Doberman Gator anyone?

  • 09.04.2009 3:59 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Typically when I see a post questioning logic I expect to see something other than an opinion to refute said "logic". While on one knows for sure whether or not Brutes will have any involvement in Reach, it is a smart bet to say that they will not. This is for two main reasons:

One, the attack on Reach has been covered in written media, and made no mention of the involvement of Brutes. While Brutes were shoe-horned into older media, those were both original stories, not a re-tell or addition in a new media format.

Two, the current status of Brutes in the Covenant during the assault on Reach was still low on the totem pole. It was not until after the events of Halo CE that the Prophets had a oppourtunity to question the Elites ability as their trusted soldiers and commanders.

Wanting Brutes in Reach is nothing more than that, a "want". There is no logical reason to think that they will be featured. Does this mean they won't? Of course not, Bungie can do whatever they feel like doing. I do however believe it would be a mistake on their part to force Brutes into an arena that they did not exist in. Now if portions of the game take place away from Reach, in an engagement never before covered, then it is a blank canvas and open to any and all possibilities.

The hope that Brutes be on Reach for the game would be like expecting Brutes to be written into a movie made about Halo CE.

  • 09.04.2009 3:59 PM PDT

You're like, the bee's knees: you have helped me out a LOT in the past and you're a genuinely nice guy, and you deserve all the best for the good you've done me and surely done others
Count Peter, you're one of the only people I respect on here. Not that that means much on a forum, but still.

Whilst yes Brutes can be in halo reach, I like many look forward to the return of elites, They were AWESOME to fight against

Brutes were ok, but aside from the Cheiftens (which were epic) they kinda failed in comparrison to the Elites

  • 09.04.2009 4:01 PM PDT

My theory on how brutes could be on reach (which I even made a post about) Is that Some lone brutes just landed on reach to get a slice of the action Predator style. The covenant wouldn't have authorised it so they would not be on the Covenant side.

  • 09.04.2009 4:07 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

It does not matter about the fact that they were at Harvest, besides, Brutes are not even mentioned in Halo: Fall of Reach.

The Spartan Laser in Halo Wars? Not necessarily fanon, and probably won't be in Reach.

The Brutes were not present at the major battles, despite being *coughcough*powerful warriors*coughcough*.

Elites are more fun to fight as it is, Brutes had better not -blam!-ing return.

  • 09.04.2009 4:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: Paladin52
No. The SoF was considered lost with all hands by the UNSC. Spartan Grey Team was out far behind enemy lines. Only 25 Spartans from the first class were present at Reach. (There is speculation that the second class of Spartan IIs mentioned in the books and iLoveBees could have been there.)

33 Spartans survived augmentation. Before Reach:
   -3 away (Gray Team; Adriana, Jai, Mike)

   -1 Spartan KIA (MIA) (Samuel 034)

   -3 Spartans KIA (MIA) over the last decase (2542-2552) (unnamed (confirmed in books, Ch.26 fall of reach: 'there have only been three KIAs'))

   -1 Spartan seriously wounded (could not continue active duty (also confirmed in Ch.26)
That leaves 25 Spartans to fight on Reach. So based off this the SoF did make it back.

  • 09.04.2009 4:27 PM PDT

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the fact that the customer wants a feature means the seller will usually do their best putting it in

  • 09.05.2009 6:36 PM PDT

I like to play games.

The books conflict on the correct number. We dont really know how many spartans there are. bungie has said everything will be revealed in time. Can you wait a while?

  • 09.05.2009 6:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Paladin52
No. The SoF was considered lost with all hands by the UNSC. Spartan Grey Team was out far behind enemy lines. Only 25 Spartans from the first class were present at Reach. (There is speculation that the second class of Spartan IIs mentioned in the books and iLoveBees could have been there.)

33 Spartans survived augmentation. Before Reach:
   -3 away (Gray Team; Adriana, Jai, Mike)

   -1 Spartan KIA (MIA) (Samuel 034)

   -3 Spartans KIA (MIA) over the last decase (2542-2552) (unnamed (confirmed in books, Ch.26 fall of reach: 'there have only been three KIAs'))

   -1 Spartan seriously wounded (could not continue active duty (also confirmed in Ch.26)
That leaves 25 Spartans to fight on Reach. So based off this the SoF did make it back.


Maybe it did, but the books were made before Halo Wars, and the SoF couldn't have made it back because then the UNSC would have known about the Flood and MC and especialy Cortana wouldn't have been completely surprised. Bungie fudged the details a little bit in order to accomodate Halo Wars. Just minus three for SoF.

Did you list the spartana that was trainig the Spartan 3s because he was considered MIA/KIA?

Check out my thread titled Halo Reach, Real Info and NOT Speculation plus some wishes... for info backed up by official sources.

[Edited on 09.05.2009 7:01 PM PDT]

  • 09.05.2009 6:58 PM PDT