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Subject: FINAL SPARTAN 259 THEORY!!!

This is pretty simple.

Every sentance is on a new line to make this even easier to understand.

When you are picked to join the SPARTAN program, you get a number between 1 and 150, because there were 150 people in it.

(John-117, Fhajad-034.etc)

So when the second batch of SPARTAN-IIs came around they kept going up from 150.

So SPARTAN-259 is in the second batch of SPARTAN-IIs and is 159th or something.

Seriously, I don't see where these THEY WERE SPART3N THR335 FROM OUTER SPACE theories come from.

In fact, can someone explain where the SERGEANT FORG IS TEH MASTUR CH33F theories come from.

  • 09.08.2009 2:12 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Anyways, alot of people out there believe that the 5 people in the Banner are Spartan II class II's, but in reality, they don't exist. The class II's were a cancelled project.


After the graduation of the first class of SPARTAN-IIs in 2525, Dr. Halsey began planning for the next wave of Spartans; her efforts, however, ran into problems. There were too few candidates that were in sync with her age restriction protocol and a majority of her funding was going towards MJOLNIR maintenance and construction; leaving little room for continued training efforts. By 2531, the majority of her funds had been diverted and she was forced to postpone the effort indefinitely.


This means that Halsey never got around to finishing the class II's, and Mendez was later called to Ackersons "Spartan III" project.

Spartan III's cost much less the Spartan II's, could be trained faster, and didn't use the costly MJOLNIR armor. These Spartan IIIs could be "produced" in bulk, since they didn't go through as many risky genetic augmentation processes. Since Halsey wasn't on board with this project, they are not class II's.

While we are on the Spartan III subject, I'm going to point out why it is impossible for Spartan IIIs to be a part of this game.

Reach was invaded August 30th, 2552.

All of Alpha company was killed in 2537
All of Beta Company was killed in 2545, except for Tom and Lucy, who went on to train Gamma.
Gamma company didn't receive orders to move off of Oynx until October 2552, After Reach had fell. And Even if Some of Gamma was at Reach (no clue how they would of gotten there) they have different call signs, such as "Ash - G099"


Enough with the Spartan III's.


Now, some people will say, "What about Nicole-458, she was a Class II" The Truth behind that is, Nicole is a non-canon character made up by Bungie to be put in Team Ninjas Dead or Alive 4. Team Ninja originally request Master Chief, but Bungie instead gave them Nicole.

However, the most controversial thing of all, is I love Bees.

In October 2004, Joe was asked if ILB is canon, he replied:
[B]Joe Staten:

"The Bees would not make the cut. Those guys basically did their own thing with very little Bungie input (save for massaging and approving the initial plot-treatment). While we helped define the boundaries of their fiction, we let them do what they thought best. And I think the game turned out great."

However, In July 2006 Frank O Conner stated:
Frankie:
"We're going to have this huge collection of canon and things that we embrace as canon, like I Love Bees and stuff like that."


Yet, that same year, Joe Staten said:
Joe Staten:
We're in the process of figuring out what was canon and what was not, and ILB was part of that neutrality.


I love Bees hasn't been mentioned since then, so I believe it's safe to say that it is NOT canon, especially since it directly violates other canon, such as the time in which characters Shaw and Fujikawa were supposed to have been alive.


Now, that still leaves the question, "What about the higher number spartans, such as "259" and "320"

Now it is very true that we haven't seen a Spartan II with a call sign this high, but that doesn't mean there isn't anyway. MLG Cheewawa was right when he said that the Human controlled planets at that time meant that there was trillions of Humans and children to scan, it's possible that more than 320 children were scanned possible induction, then it was narrowed too 150, then 75.

Hell, it's possible that these "Higher Numbered" spartans were in our face the entire time.

Spartans such as James, Mike, and Cassandra have played large roles in the novels, and Halo canon, and they've never had their numbers stated. Plus, there is still 11 unnamed spartans who's numbers could be higher than 150.



Hopefully, this cleared some things up for you, and you know now why It is possible that these Spartans are part of the original group of spartans, and Not class II's, or spartan III's.[/b]

[Edited on 09.08.2009 2:15 PM PDT]

  • 09.08.2009 2:15 PM PDT
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according to all previous lore( which isn't the be all end all description, so im open minded) there is no Second batch of Spartan-II's.

Also, and the sergeant forge is chief comes form the fact that they are both named John, and 10-year olds are retarded.

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You're probably right, but, that avoids the more pertinent question.

Why did Bungie create a new Spartan 259? I mean, they could have just chosen a Spartan from those already listed in the books and made a game about them.

The probable answer to that is Bungie wanted a clean slate. They wanted a new Spartan(s), who were not previously mentioned, and who did not already have literature about them (such as the Spartans in "Fall of Reach" and "First Strike"). With a new group of Spartans, Bungie can create a new storyline during the battle of Reach, without having to retcon any previous story material in any massive way. Yes, they'll have to explain why there was a new group of Spartans, but that is easy. (Ex. UNSC realized spartan-II class 1 was l33t, wanted a new, even l33ter group of Spartans).

And, with a new group of Spartans, Bungie can give these Spartans new equipment (look at the helmet mounted cameras clearly shown on the poster, as well as the machine gun and knife) or maybe something similar to the helmet display in ODST. This can be explained by the statement, new Spartans get new gear.

By creating a new group of Spartans, Bungie can make their own story and give the Spartans new armor equipment (maybe armor permutations that effect your abilities) and a new storyline during the Battle of Reach, without having to break any established canan.

For that reason, more than anything else, I think that anthraxgoon is correct, S-259 is from the second class of Spartan-IIs.

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Posted by: Dartganan
You're probably right, but, that avoids the more pertinent question.

Why did Bungie create a new Spartan 259? I mean, they could have just chosen a Spartan from those already listed in the books and made a game about them.



Why? You have a book for that. Battle of Reach was the bloodiest combat in the war. Why not make a game about it from completely different perspective?

  • 09.08.2009 2:23 PM PDT

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OP there WAS no second batch of Spartans. Thats why the Spartan IIIs were created and why Chief Mendez was avalible to help train the Spartan IIIs....

  • 09.08.2009 2:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dartganan
You're probably right, but, that avoids the more pertinent question.

Why did Bungie create a new Spartan 259? I mean, they could have just chosen a Spartan from those already listed in the books and made a game about them.

Why do they have to be Spartans?

  • 09.08.2009 3:56 PM PDT

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IF there were SPARTAN II Class IIs then there would have been no need for SPARTAN IIIs. THINK PEOPLE. THe purpose of the IIIs where to be a cheap black ops units. If they had created Class IIs then there would be no need to create the IIIs as they would have soldiers that no one knows about.

  • 09.08.2009 4:18 PM PDT