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Subject: halo wars messes up fall of reach
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in halo wars there are 3 new spartans jerome alice and douglas in the fall of reach master chief i think it was states that i think 3 spartans were kia. im pretty sure 1 is sam and another is that one spartan dr halsey said at died and she witnessed her death.the halo wars spartans in the end were thought to be kia but marked mia but still kia. so dosnt halo wars actuallt make fall of reach wrong about that or did halo wars just screw up. i didnt know were to but it so i just put it here.

my first topic so be nice


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  • 09.08.2009 6:11 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

I'm sorry, but I can't understand what you're asking.

  • 09.08.2009 6:14 PM PDT
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im not asking but saying halo wars doesnt go100% cannon with spartans

  • 09.08.2009 6:16 PM PDT
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and halo wars wasnt made by bungie. they pretty much told microsoft to go -blam!- themselves when they split. they can do whatever they want with the canon.

  • 09.08.2009 6:16 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
I'm sorry, but I can't understand what you're asking.

This.

Either way, I don't consider Halo Wars cannon. -blam!- it.

  • 09.08.2009 6:16 PM PDT
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Halowars messes up the Halo novel-Contact Harvest, so baddly. Plus Halowars is Esemble studios' own story so...what can you do.

[Edited on 09.08.2009 6:22 PM PDT]

  • 09.08.2009 6:21 PM PDT

Resignation is my virtue; like water I ebb, and flow.
Defeat is merely the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved...but you imposed.

Halo Wars is none-cannon, as stated by Bungie.

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  • 09.08.2009 6:57 PM PDT

Go Go Happy Time!

Halo Wars takes place during Harvest, not Reach.

  • 09.08.2009 7:02 PM PDT

Posted by: ChrisSpurr
Halo Wars is none-cannon, as stated by Bungie.

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[Edited on 09.08.2009 7:10 PM PDT]

  • 09.08.2009 7:09 PM PDT

Um... I like Halo? I don't really know what to say. I'm a student at the moment, I hope to become a criminal profiler, and I enjoy pretty much everything as long as it's good.

Dude, Halo Wars is canon. We only see a certain portion of the SPARTANs so its entirely likely that the SPARTANs in wars were just not seen before.

  • 09.08.2009 8:10 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

1: Halo Wars messed up ALOT more than that, but thats besides the point.

2: (The point) NOBODY thinks those Spartans are KIA. Their listing as MIA is 100% TRUE, Halsey and the Spartans KNOW that they are MIA.

  • 09.08.2009 8:21 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: NolanXx_xX
Halowars messes up the Halo novel-Contact Harvest, so baddly. Plus Halowars is Esemble studios' own story so...what can you do.

Actually, Halo Wars messed up nothing from Contact Harvest. At all. Halo Wars only messes up Halo Fall of Reach. On MANY levels. And some general Halo Canon rules (Such as the abilities of Spartans vs Elites, and Elites vs Humans.)

  • 09.08.2009 8:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: ChrisSpurr
Halo Wars is none-cannon, as stated by Bungie.

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Your mistaken, Halo Wars is considered canon. Joe Staten has gone on record before stating that through the course of the games and the novels there are slight details that can and most likely will be changed. The main events will not be altered, but certain small things like tha names and roles of "nameless" soldiers are easily altered. Wars ruined nothing from a canon standpoint, considering that everything that happened was relatively isolated to the crew of the Spirit of Fire once they left Harvest.

  • 09.08.2009 8:27 PM PDT

What a waste....

Go to [url]halowars.com[/url]

  • 09.08.2009 8:31 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

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Posted by: ChrisSpurr
Halo Wars is none-cannon, as stated by Bungie.

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Your mistaken, Halo Wars is considered canon. Joe Staten has gone on record before stating that through the course of the games and the novels there are slight details that can and most likely will be changed. The main events will not be altered, but certain small things like tha names and roles of "nameless" soldiers are easily altered. Wars ruined nothing from a canon standpoint, considering that everything that happened was relatively isolated to the crew of the Spirit of Fire once they left Harvest.

Except for the one big Canon breaking fact. The use of Elites during the battles for Harvest and Arcadia. That never happened. In Fall of Reach it CLEARLY STATES that the UNSC had NEVER SEEN ELITES UNTIL THE BATTLE FOR REACH. Though there were a FEW Elites in the Cole Protocol, they did not break this Canon, as the only time any humans saw the Elites, they died, and could not report back.

  • 09.08.2009 8:32 PM PDT
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You do know there are more than 3 Spartans, right? They didn't just randomly assign numbers... 117 is 117 because he is the 117th Spartan II, thus making BOTH H:W and Fall of Reach canon.

Boom, headshot.

  • 09.08.2009 8:40 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: TG Semaj
You do know there are more than 3 Spartans, right? They didn't just randomly assign numbers... 117 is 117 because he is the 117th Spartan II, thus making BOTH H:W and Fall of Reach canon.

Boom, headshot.

You sir just MISSED, in fact you SHOT THE OTHER WAY. Please read the whole post before replying. He said "3 DEAD Spartans".

Jeez, I love looking at dumb posts, but I am amazed when the replies are DUMBER!

  • 09.08.2009 8:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: TG Semaj
You do know there are more than 3 Spartans, right? They didn't just randomly assign numbers... 117 is 117 because he is the 117th Spartan II, thus making BOTH H:W and Fall of Reach canon.

Boom, headshot.

You sir just MISSED, in fact you SHOT THE OTHER WAY. Please read the whole post before replying. He said "3 DEAD Spartans".

Jeez, I love looking at dumb posts, but I am amazed when the replies are DUMBER!

Do you like making yourself feel smart? My statement proves tat 3 dead Spartans are totally insignificant.

  • 09.08.2009 9:03 PM PDT

Posted by: TG Semaj
Do you like making yourself feel smart? My statement proves tat 3 dead Spartans are totally insignificant.
I think he does. He's choosing not to be informative.

John may be spartan 117, but that does not mean there were at least 117 spartans. He was candidate 117 in the program. After all the training and augmentations, there were 33 Spartan IIs. I think we've heard around 28 of the names, and know where the other 5 were. Maybe.

As for Halo Wars messing with Reach, I'd chalk it up to Fall of Reach being the first Halo book all those long years ago. Along with the way that Ensemble was not as attuned to canon as Bungie was simply by virtue of being foreign to it. I do not know whether or not canon is messed up, but that would be the logical explanation I can craft in the event it is so.

  • 09.08.2009 9:36 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

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Either way, I don't consider Halo Wars cannon. -blam!- it.
Anything with a flying needler called the "Vampire" calls quality into question.

  • 09.08.2009 10:52 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
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Posted by: ChrisSpurr
Halo Wars is none-cannon, as stated by Bungie.

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Your mistaken, Halo Wars is considered canon. Joe Staten has gone on record before stating that through the course of the games and the novels there are slight details that can and most likely will be changed. The main events will not be altered, but certain small things like tha names and roles of "nameless" soldiers are easily altered. Wars ruined nothing from a canon standpoint, considering that everything that happened was relatively isolated to the crew of the Spirit of Fire once they left Harvest.

Except for the one big Canon breaking fact. The use of Elites during the battles for Harvest and Arcadia. That never happened. In Fall of Reach it CLEARLY STATES that the UNSC had NEVER SEEN ELITES UNTIL THE BATTLE FOR REACH. Though there were a FEW Elites in the Cole Protocol, they did not break this Canon, as the only time any humans saw the Elites, they died, and could not report back.


Read the last sentance of my first post, then re-read The Fall of Reach. It was mentioned that ONI believed there to be a warrior class within the Covenant structure, however there was no visual confirmation. There would be no suspicion if there was no report of something. Now again, read the last sentance of my paragraph.

Considering that Contact Harvest did not cover the entire fall of Harvest to the Covenant, there are liberties that can be taken, and Ensemble did just that. This is why there is an outside chance that Brutes will be featured in Reach, it is one of those things that even though not previously detailed is not entirely ruled out. There is a lot of flexibility in certain things like that, sad to say.

  • 09.08.2009 11:16 PM PDT

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Its possible that the Spirit of Fire was recovered between the battle of Reach and the battle of Harvest, and the Spartans were some of those not named in the novels (17 had no names or numbers on Reach in the novels).

If you say something like "but hay then we kno about FLOOD b4 halo 1 and then that makes no canon sennse!" please look up the word "Classified." Why would the Flood be revealed the the general population of the UNSC unless it had to be?

Besides, I think that the UNSC (ONI in particular) knew about the Flood (and Halo) long before Reach was invaded. Why else were two Prowlers over Alpha Halo (Boarding Action), as well as there being numerous training facilities (Wizard, Rat Race) on its surface, with one of them even being used to train Spartan Clones (Chiron Tl-34)... we don't know of any Spartan Clones. Maybe Delta Company S-IIIs?

This is further proofed by the fact that Installation 05 is called Delta (4) Halo, and Installation 04 is called Alpha (1) Halo. ONI finds Alpha Halo, then Beta, Gamma, and then Delta.

343 also hints at this in CFtU when he refers to previous meddlers who were present before the Covenant on Alpha Halo. Maybe that was ONI. Gamma Company graduated in 2551, there was a whole year for Delta to begin training before Halo Reach/1/2/3.

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  • 09.08.2009 11:25 PM PDT

I'm 23, I have a house, dog, girlfriend, job and I have no interest in any fanboyism so if you're thinking about sending me a childish PM, don't be surprised when I don't call back.

Here we go the fanboys are fapping beause they think they're onto something but none of them can read.

Halo wars is canon, all of it is true, In halo wars you see a massive Elite presence because you are facing the prophet of regrets fleet, he also has his arbiter with him. As for the Non-canon elites the rest of the UNSC didn't hear about what happened on harvest straight away if at all.

The spirit of fire used it's FTL drive to destroy the planet they found and therefore could not slipspace jump, They all whent into cryo and now they're drifting in space waiting to get back which could vey well take decades.

  • 09.08.2009 11:53 PM PDT

I wish I was still legendary.

New canon overrides Old canon.Get used to it.

  • 09.09.2009 12:16 AM PDT

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: ChrisSpurr
Halo Wars is none-cannon, as stated by Bungie.

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Your mistaken, Halo Wars is considered canon. Joe Staten has gone on record before stating that through the course of the games and the novels there are slight details that can and most likely will be changed. The main events will not be altered, but certain small things like tha names and roles of "nameless" soldiers are easily altered. Wars ruined nothing from a canon standpoint, considering that everything that happened was relatively isolated to the crew of the Spirit of Fire once they left Harvest.

Except for the one big Canon breaking fact. The use of Elites during the battles for Harvest and Arcadia. That never happened. In Fall of Reach it CLEARLY STATES that the UNSC had NEVER SEEN ELITES UNTIL THE BATTLE FOR REACH. Though there were a FEW Elites in the Cole Protocol, they did not break this Canon, as the only time any humans saw the Elites, they died, and could not report back.
No. Fall of Reach has the error.

Firstly, it is the oldest one, so older books and games override it. Remember this. For comes last when it is about the story of books and games.

Secondly, there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary: Elites were encountered by humans before in the Battle of the Rubble and in the First Battle of Arcadia where the Spartan Red Team and Group Omega fought. They were also recognized by Kurt in a mission recording, and most importantly, the UNSC captured an Elite alive during the Battle of the Great Bear.


And the number of Spartan-IIs has long been a major inconsistency, or at least seeming like one. First Strike already had 30 Spartan-IIs where FoR had 25.

Eric Trautmann once responded:

"Re: Spartan strength: I am aware that there is an APPARENT discrepancy between the reported number of Spartans and the ACTUAL number of Spartans.

Emphasis on APPARENT. ;)

We leave lots of hooks for future development buried in the text, to accomodate several ideas/stories we have percolating. Some may see the light of day, some may not.

In general, its best to chalk such discrepancies up to "the fog of war" and if we get the chance, we've got a great explanation for the apparent discontinuity."


The "3 KIA" from FoR was stated to be from the past decade, which excludes Sam from that count, but also the SoF trio. However, that doesn't mean they didn't die earlier. In the case they did die, the most obvious correction would be upping the "33 Spartans survived augmentations" count by three. Some Ackerson theory -style thing that Chewie suggested might also work, but it's a big bunch of theories.

  • 09.09.2009 5:47 AM PDT

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