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Subject: Why people think Halo CE is the best!

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

Posted by: TheBigShow
Posted by: Tyguy101
Thanks for the positive feedback. My wife is a School Psycologist and we actually talked about this very thing at length the other day. I can't remember what she called it, but it is much more common than just movies and video game sequels. She said it often causes dissatisfaction in subsequent teachers, friends, and even partners.

It is nice to see someone who agrees with something that is based on a sound principle.


Thats a ridiculous thing to say.

Just because there is such a thing as nostalgia doesn't mean nostalgia applies to everything. You're basically saying that every sequel is better, but people just have fond memories of the old one so they think its better. Thats your "sound principle?"

The gameplay and weapon balance of Halo CE is far superior to both Halo 2 and Halo 3. Nostalgia has nothing to do with that. I have played Halo CE recently, and I still enjoyed it much more than the other two Halo games. The multiplayer is a far more balanced experience than any of the following titles.


By your simple logic, you would say that Halo CE is "far superior" than Halo 2 and 3. However, do you honestly think that if they added LIVE to Halo CE and even gave all the extra features that Halo 3 has that it would suddenly be more popular than Halo 3?!?! Use your common sense, there is no comparison in gameplay. Halo CE was great for its time, but it is not better.

People would not move back to HCE, because HCE is not better game. If it is "far superior" as you state, then 90%+ of the population would move to it, and that would just not happen, you would be lucky to get 5%.

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I played all three and stated with Halop: CE. The fist Halo was and still is an amazing game, but i think Halo 3 is the best in the series. Halo 2 is the weakest.

  • 09.16.2009 8:55 AM PDT

Posted by: Tyguy101
By your simple logic, you would say that Halo CE is "far superior" than Halo 2 and 3. However, do you honestly think that if they added LIVE to Halo CE and even gave all the extra features that Halo 3 has that it would suddenly be more popular than Halo 3?!?! Use your common sense, there is no comparison in gameplay. Halo CE was great for its time, but it is not better.

People would not move back to HCE, because HCE is not better game. If it is "far superior" as you state, then 90%+ of the population would move to it, and that would just not happen, you would be lucky to get 5%.


Thats a completely asinine post. There is no way you can say with any certainty how many people would or would not move back. In my opinion, the people who played Halo CE a lot would all move back to it if Live was added. But like I said, theres no way we can say with any certaintly what those numbers would actually be. The fact that your argument rests on a completely made up number is indicitive of the quality of your argument overall.

The gameplay in Halo CE is more predictable, smoother, more player controlled, and better made in general. Sure, it doesn't have the features that Halo 3 has, but thats not what we're arguing.

  • 09.16.2009 9:28 AM PDT

nvm

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  • 09.16.2009 9:38 AM PDT

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My reson it was best was that it was the first fps that i got hooked on, and have been hooked on it and may other fps games since. Plus going back and playing it again is so goddamn funny!

It may not technically be the bewst game in graphics, game play, but due to the above, I have eternal respect for it.

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  • 09.16.2009 10:02 AM PDT

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

Posted by: TheBigShow
Posted by: Tyguy101
By your simple logic, you would say that Halo CE is "far superior" than Halo 2 and 3. However, do you honestly think that if they added LIVE to Halo CE and even gave all the extra features that Halo 3 has that it would suddenly be more popular than Halo 3?!?! Use your common sense, there is no comparison in gameplay. Halo CE was great for its time, but it is not better.

People would not move back to HCE, because HCE is not better game. If it is "far superior" as you state, then 90%+ of the population would move to it, and that would just not happen, you would be lucky to get 5%.


Thats a completely asinine post. There is no way you can say with any certainty how many people would or would not move back. In my opinion, the people who played Halo CE a lot would all move back to it if Live was added. But like I said, theres no way we can say with any certaintly what those numbers would actually be. The fact that your argument rests on a completely made up number is indicitive of the quality of your argument overall.

The gameplay in Halo CE is more predictable, smoother, more player controlled, and better made in general. Sure, it doesn't have the features that Halo 3 has, but thats not what we're arguing.


You are right, without proof you can say that I have no idea what the numbers would be like. I'm not sure if the sun will rise tomorrow either, but it is a pretty good guess based on past experiences. Take the Halo 2 purests for example. Ya know, the group that swears by Halo 2 gameplay just like I would call you a HCE purest. There is still a community of Halo 2 fans, but the majority of players moved on to the better game H3.

However, you are taking me away from my original point. My main point is that there is a group of gamers that are trying to make Halo: Reach, from my observations, like the experiences they had in HCE. Most of them don't know why they loved HCE so much (like the post above mine), but they know they want that same HCE feeling to return.

So they ask for the CE pistol, and fall damage, and scarier covenant, and larger explosions, and no lunge, and etc. Everything they can think of that was possibly changed about the game they fell in love with, because they think that will bring that Halo "feeling" back again.

I consent that there are some HCE purests that would swear by HCE gameplay and truly think it is the best game by gameplay principles purely, but I don't think that the majority of people truly love HCE for those reasons alone.

If they want that Halo "feeling" to return it isn't going to come back by making a HCE clone, just like it doesn't really come back after playing 5 hours of HCE right now. The NEXT great Bungie game is what is going to bring that feeling.



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  • 09.16.2009 2:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Tyguy101
You are right, without proof you can say that I have no idea what the numbers would be like. I'm not sure if the sun will rise tomorrow either, but it is a pretty good guess based on past experiences. Take the Halo 2 purests for example. Ya know, the group that swears by Halo 2 gameplay just like I would call you a HCE purest. There is still a community of Halo 2 fans, but the majority of players moved on to the better game H3.

However, you are taking me away from my original point. My main point is that there is a group of gamers that are trying to make Halo: Reach, from my observations, like the experiences they had in HCE. Most of them don't know why they loved HCE so much (like the post above mine), but they know they want that same HCE feeling to return.

So they ask for the CE pistol, and fall damage, and scarier covenant, and larger explosions, and no lunge, and etc. Everything they can think of that was possibly changed about the game they fell in love with, because they think that will bring that Halo "feeling" back again.

I consent that there are some HCE purests that would swear by HCE gameplay and truly think it is the best game by gameplay principles purely, but I don't think that the majority of people truly love HCE for those reasons alone.

If they want that Halo "feeling" to return it isn't going to come back by making a HCE clone, just like it doesn't really come back after playing 5 hours of HCE right now. The NEXT great Bungie game is what is going to bring that feeling.




Ah, now we're getting somewhere. You're correct in that many people cannot put into words why they like Halo CE better. Like you said, "Most of them don't know why they loved HCE so much (like the post above mine), but they know they want that same HCE feeling to return."

The reason is because the gameplay. It was cleaner, it was smoother, it felt better. Thats called good gameplay. Halo 2 and Halo 3 have some great features. What they don't have is that Halo feel that so many people got addicted to in Halo CE. When I go back and play Halo CE, I can feel it, I can feel the difference.

Thats what people are asking for. Much of it does have to do with the myriad of uneccessary changes made, but at its core, its the feeling of control the player has in Halo CE. Not just control over movement, but control over how the game plays out, control over the game. Players want to see tangible rewards for their skills and abilities, they want to feel like their actions control the outcome of the game. Halo 2 and Halo 3 don't do that as well as Halo CE does.

  • 09.16.2009 3:00 PM PDT

Posted by: oldrustybucket
Good point but they need to make a completely new game, not halo. The more games they make the less popular it will become

they should do like family guy and end it well its good


you mean futurama family guy still has new episodes

  • 09.16.2009 3:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Tyguy101
[quote]Posted by: TheBigShow
[quote]Posted by: Tyguy101
it is not better.



You are right, without proof you can say that I have no idea what the numbers would be like. I'm not sure if the sun will rise tomorrow either, but it is a pretty good guess based on past experiences. Take the Halo 2 purests for example. Ya know, the group that swears by Halo 2 gameplay just like I would call you a HCE purest. There is still a community of Halo 2 fans, but the majority of players moved on to the better game H3.







your wrong only H3's multiplayer was betterHalo3 campaign was ass. ODST's campaign is much better. H2 had second best campaign and HaloCE had the best

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  • 09.16.2009 4:04 PM PDT

I started with halo 3...halo ce is the best...your wrong

  • 09.16.2009 4:12 PM PDT

Posted by: Tyguy101
People who started on Halo CE think it's the best.

People who started on Halo 2 think it's the best.

People who started on Halo 3 think it's the best.


Why? Not because one of the games is "better" than another, but the absolute euphoria you get from playing Halo for the first time. They are really are great games. However, every subsiquent Halo game that comes out just can't restore that same feeling that they got with that first Halo game that they played.

I have news for you...that feeling is never gonna come back, even if they made a Halo game that is exactly like the one that you enjoyed best and fixed all the flaws that you thought there were.

But there is great news, there is a way for you to get a that feeling again! Bungie needs to make a totally new, revamped Halo game. That is the only thing that give you that first time, this is amazing, euphoria fix that all of these Halo CE lovers are seeking.

Instead of trying to move backwards and try and recreate an experience that you will never have again, Bungie needs ot create the NEXT great gaming experience.



So true, the other day i went back and started playing my Halo CE, it just wasent the same. And i had a TON of fun with the first one, just driving around in the warthog with friends was fun.

  • 09.16.2009 4:15 PM PDT

Your friend is not a reliable source of information

I started on halo 2, then went to 3...I don't think halo 1 is the best

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  • 09.16.2009 4:15 PM PDT

You're wrong, not like it matters though.

CE for the most part had better level design, enemy design, better AI, better weapon design, and had a better story than the rest of the Halos.

Oh, and guess what, it was a lot more fun and satisfying playing it, it is probably the single best game I've every played.

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  • 09.16.2009 4:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Lunatic__Brandon
Without Forge I probably would have played Halo 3 for two months. Without Xbox Live I probably would have played it for a few weeks. If Halo CE had Forge and Xbox Live I would still be playing it right know. Halo CE definitely had superior gameplay. People just like Halo 3 better because it was there first Halo game and wouldn't be able to play a Halo game that lacked the game customization of Halo 3 and the support of Xbox Live.


This for the most part is true too.

  • 09.16.2009 4:50 PM PDT

Peace through superior firepower.

Posted by: Tyguy101
I have news for you...that feeling is never gonna come back, even if they made a Halo game that is exactly like the one that you enjoyed best and fixed all the flaws that you thought there were.

But there is great news, there is a way for you to get a that feeling again! Bungie needs to make a totally new, revamped Halo game.


Contradictory?

  • 09.16.2009 4:58 PM PDT

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

Posted by: TheBigShow


Ah, now we're getting somewhere. You're correct in that many people cannot put into words why they like Halo CE better. Like you said, "Most of them don't know why they loved HCE so much (like the post above mine), but they know they want that same HCE feeling to return."

The reason is because the gameplay. It was cleaner, it was smoother, it felt better. Thats called good gameplay. Halo 2 and Halo 3 have some great features. What they don't have is that Halo feel that so many people got addicted to in Halo CE. When I go back and play Halo CE, I can feel it, I can feel the difference.

Thats what people are asking for. Much of it does have to do with the myriad of uneccessary changes made, but at its core, its the feeling of control the player has in Halo CE. Not just control over movement, but control over how the game plays out, control over the game. Players want to see tangible rewards for their skills and abilities, they want to feel like their actions control the outcome of the game. Halo 2 and Halo 3 don't do that as well as Halo CE does.



That is as bad of an extrapolation of facts as you said that I made up above. You can't say that is the reason unless you took a formal survey of the people that say the love HCE best. You have absolutely no idea why there is a large number of people that say they enjoy HCE better. There certainly is a group that would claim it is the gameplay, but I don't believe that is the underlying reason for most.

From my observations, the reasons I have seen most people say HCE is the best: 1)It is the first Halo game that they fell in love with. 2) LAN and playing WITH friends I think played a major role in the nostalgia of the original 3) Playing the simple Halo multiplayer equation for the first time (that is still carried on in H2 and H3), and 4) Especially the group of guys that thinks that they were particularly "skilled" in HCE because they could use the pistol better than their friends.

I just call it as I see it.

  • 09.17.2009 7:14 AM PDT

Halo: CE Just flowed so greatly, the campaign, multiplayer..everything, while H2 had the best story line and it made us go WOW! H3 was "nothing new" besides the graphics and armour custom...

  • 09.17.2009 9:08 AM PDT

Actually, I prefer a lot of things from Halo: Combat Evolved that were elements changed in Halo 2 and Halo 3. Things like the music, the behaviour and aesthetics of the flood, the variation of Covenant armour designs (at least two per species), the storyline, the fighting style (longer-ranged), and the way that the game returned to levels of the past when they were affected by the flood, setting an understanding that the flood corrupts that which it touches without exception.

Nostalgia is some part of it, but I am not deceived by nostalgia. There were things I hope they bring into Halo: Reach that they left rotting in the dirt after Halo: Combat Evolved.

  • 09.17.2009 11:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Uhh, Halo 2 had horrible balance issues and glitches that made it near impossible to actually play competitively. That is why MLG dropped it as soon as Halo 3 came out.

If I didn't know better I would say you like a game that was UNFINISHED, and UNTESTED, and left full of GLITCHES AND PROBLEMS.

uh, WUT?

Halo 2 is far more competitive than Halo 3 will ever be, and any MLG player or staff member will agree with me. They use Halo 3 because that's the newest game, and it doesn't pay to use a game from the past.

The glitches in H2 increased the skill gap, if you were good enough you could go far. The only thing that really felt broken was the melee system. (Why would I be able to lunge at someone if the melee wasn't going to connect, or if I'm going to go through them? )

H1 will always be the best competition material out of the three, but H2 was very competitive as well and allowed skill to shine. In Halo 3 the BR is so random it's like a long-range AR, and the maps are just terrible for competitive play. (Random cracks on floors/walls/doorways to throw your grenades back at you, anyone?)

Halo 3 has the smallest skill gap of all. Anyone can grab an AR and go trade kills with someone else. It's impossible to win Lone Wolves consistently against anyone with half a brain, and individual skill alone is never enough to carry a team like it would be in H2 or H1.

Halo 3 is a competitive game. But Halo 1 and Halo 2 were alot better at it. I enjoyed my practice being rewarded with victory in those games, instead of losing because there is a "balance playing field" (i.e. hold down the AR trigger for 0.3 seconds and beatdown)

Oh well.

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Started with CE, like 3 the most. I guess i'm the exception that confirms the rule then?

  • 09.17.2009 11:31 AM PDT

Reach MMO. Here's to hoping.

And the people that believe "the hardcore playlists would be more popular if the rules were strictly MLG" can come off it, now. If you're not willing to support something close to your own setup, there's no reason for us to believe that cloning our own lists and stripping the variety down will attract more people. -- Shishka, Bungie.net

Posted by: RoundedSnow
Started with CE, like 3 the most. I guess i'm the exception that confirms the rule then?


So it would seem.

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I agree, Halo is the best gaming experience ever!

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Started with CE, like 3 the most. I guess i'm the exception that confirms the rule then?


So it would seem.


started with CE too, H2 is the best imo... everybody agrees it had some of the best maps of the serie at least.

  • 09.17.2009 2:58 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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I've gotta disagree here. The reason I loved Halo 1 was because of the fast paced, consistent gameplay combined with a larger skill gap that Halo 2 and Halo 3 just don't have.

The Halo 1 pistol was great. It was a TSK weapon that forced you to lead your opponents to pull off a sucessful three shot. It was a great weapon to start with, was consistent, and added to the intensity of the game.

The Halo 2 and Halo 3 BR allow for sweep-shooting which decreases the skill gap, and require 4 shots to kill which slows down the pace of the game. On top of this, the BR's in both games take an insanley long time to finish off a player that is one shot when focusing on hitting them in the body. I am aware that you could just aim for the head, but when a player is strongsiding (looking down with his back turned to you), you just can't do that. The Halo 3 BR has downgraded range and is very inconsistent which further slows down the pace of the game.

The Halo 1 shotgun worked very well with the weapon balance in Halo 1.

The Halo 2 and Halo 3 shotgun are very inconsistent which slows down the pace of the game and encourages camping since the effective range was nothing compared to the Halo 1 shotgun.

The Halo 1 rocket launcher played a great role in the Halo 1 sandbox as well.

The Halo 2 and Halo 3 rocket launchers shoot incredibily slow, which slows down the pace of the game.

The Halo 1 sniper took a ton of skill to use.

The Halo 2 sniper was very easy to use thanks to the hitboxes and auto-aim Halo 2 had. The Halo 3 sniper is very inconsistent. Ever shoot someone in the face, see blood come from his head and he takes no damage? That also slows down the pace of the game.

Gernades in Halo 1 were very effective, further increasing the pace and intensity of the game.

The gernades in Halo 2 and Halo 3 almost seem useless when compared to the gernades in Halo 1.

What I'm getting at here is that if Bungie were to remake every aspect of every weapon in Halo 1, or at least give us identical weapons to use through forge, that fast paced gameplay could be brought back. Not to mention great weapon balance and a large skill gap.

  • 09.17.2009 3:08 PM PDT

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any ideas?

i heard... that its shishkas skull... bungie x-rayed his head and put that in as the oddball, they did so that they can put shishka in every oddball match to keep an eye on us to make sure we dont cheat remember this next time you go into oddball... shishkas watching...


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Posted by: Tyguy101
People who started on Halo CE think it's the best.

People who started on Halo 2 think it's the best.

People who started on Halo 3 think it's the best.


Why? Not because one of the games is "better" than another, but the absolute euphoria you get from playing Halo for the first time. They are really are great games. However, every subsiquent Halo game that comes out just can't restore that same feeling that they got with that first Halo game that they played.

I have news for you...that feeling is never gonna come back, even if they made a Halo game that is exactly like the one that you enjoyed best and fixed all the flaws that you thought there were.

But there is great news, there is a way for you to get a that feeling again! Bungie needs to make a totally new, revamped Halo game. That is the only thing that give you that first time, this is amazing, euphoria fix that all of these Halo CE lovers are seeking.

Instead of trying to move backwards and try and recreate an experience that you will never have again, Bungie needs ot create the NEXT great gaming experience.



revamped halo experiance? thats what ODST, also you point isnt valid i started back in the Halo CE days and loved it but in all honesty i prfer halo 3 but there is aspects of halo CE i prefer

but people are claiming halo 3 ODST is better that CE but we'll see...
but i still loved CE and i wish i could get that feeling back i cant describe that feeling but it was good

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