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First of all this is mearly a theory, nothing more.
Part 1: Sierra 259
Many people belive that he is a class 1 Spartan-II. This is wrong. Why? His ID tag is not 2-59, this would make him Malcom, who died on impact when getting to Reach's surface. The original Spartan-II program had 150 possible candidates. Of those 150, 75 were drafted into the program. His ID tag is 259, which puts it too high for him to be a class 1. Odds are, he's a Spartan because of this qoute. "You've got Spartans on the ground sir. We're not going anywhere". He says "We" I belive he says that to say that he is a Spartan. There is still the question of why is he a class 2? The answer is, his ID tag is too high to be a class 1, He cant be a S-III, as they had different call signs. Master Chief is sometimes addressed as, Sierra 117. See the relationship between the two? I do.
Part 2: Sierra 320
The same theories are applied to her as Sierra 259. People think she's a class1. Wrong! Her ID# is too high to be a class 1. Since zero to no information is known about the class 2 her ID# can be 320, it's perfectly possible. She says "Ready to drop" in the trailer. The only UNSC soldiers who use HEVs are ODSTs and sometimes Spartans. Odds are there wouldn't be an ODST called Sierra 259, or 320. Thats not one of there call signs!
Part 3: How they can exist
In 2525 Mendez was suppost to train a second class of S-IIs. This project was delayed due to budget problems. They (according to Halopedia) started training in 2537, and ended training in 2544. Mendez couldn't have trained them, but Hasely could have. Or the second class was for ONI use only. The S-III project began in 2531. It was cheaper to train them than S-IIs. BUT, they still took the same seven years to train as the S-IIs! They only had ONE major operation per company. Realizing that, ONI might have secretly trained a second class of S-IIs for their own use (ex. Spartan Black).
All of this is Opinion, not fact. There is no proof against their existance, people just think ILB is the only class two reference other than the non-canon Nicole-458 in Dead or Alive 4. If you think any of my theoies are wrong or if I missed something, politely tell me. NO FLAMING! Please. Also I realize that Halopedia is not the best site for information, BUT they are right about countless other things so I don't doubt them.

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  • 09.11.2009 1:26 PM PDT
Subject: Proof Why Spartan-II Class 2s might Exist

That's all I have to say about that.

I love the smell of conspiracy theories in the afternoon!

But seriously, WAAAYYYYYYYYY plausible, and i'm with you on this one. Could have to do with
Halo: Reach, but we'll see...

  • 09.11.2009 1:30 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Anyways, alot of people out there believe that the 5 people in the Banner are Spartan II class II's, but in reality, they don't exist. The class II's were a cancelled project.


After the graduation of the first class of SPARTAN-IIs in 2525, Dr. Halsey began planning for the next wave of Spartans; her efforts, however, ran into problems. There were too few candidates that were in sync with her age restriction protocol and a majority of her funding was going towards MJOLNIR maintenance and construction; leaving little room for continued training efforts. By 2531, the majority of her funds had been diverted and she was forced to postpone the effort indefinitely.


This means that Halsey never got around to finishing the class II's, and Mendez was later called to Ackersons "Spartan III" project.

Spartan III's cost much less the Spartan II's, could be trained faster, and didn't use the costly MJOLNIR armor. These Spartan IIIs could be "produced" in bulk, since they didn't go through as many risky genetic augmentation processes. Since Halsey wasn't on board with this project, they are not class II's.

While we are on the Spartan III subject, I'm going to point out why it is impossible for Spartan IIIs to be a part of this game.

Reach was invaded August 30th, 2552.

All of Alpha company was killed in 2537
All of Beta Company was killed in 2545, except for Tom and Lucy, who went on to train Gamma.
Gamma company didn't receive orders to move off of Oynx until October 2552, After Reach had fell. And Even if Some of Gamma was at Reach (no clue how they would of gotten there) they have different call signs, such as "Ash - G099"


Enough with the Spartan III's.


Now, some people will say, "What about Nicole-458, she was a Class II" The Truth behind that is, Nicole is a non-canon character made up by Bungie to be put in Team Ninjas Dead or Alive 4. Team Ninja originally request Master Chief, but Bungie instead gave them Nicole.

However, the most controversial thing of all, is I love Bees.

In October 2004, Joe was asked if ILB is canon, he replied:
[B]Joe Staten:

"The Bees would not make the cut. Those guys basically did their own thing with very little Bungie input (save for massaging and approving the initial plot-treatment). While we helped define the boundaries of their fiction, we let them do what they thought best. And I think the game turned out great."

However, In July 2006 Frank O Conner stated:
Frankie:
"We're going to have this huge collection of canon and things that we embrace as canon, like I Love Bees and stuff like that."


Yet, that same year, Joe Staten said:
Joe Staten:
We're in the process of figuring out what was canon and what was not, and ILB was part of that neutrality.


I love Bees hasn't been mentioned since then, so I believe it's safe to say that it is NOT canon, especially since it directly violates other canon, such as the time in which characters Shaw and Fujikawa were supposed to have been alive.


Now, that still leaves the question, "What about the higher number spartans, such as "259" and "320"

Now it is very true that we haven't seen a Spartan II with a call sign this high, but that doesn't mean there isn't anyway. MLG Cheewawa was right when he said that the Human controlled planets at that time meant that there was trillions of Humans and children to scan, it's possible that more than 320 children were scanned possible induction, then it was narrowed too 150, then 75.

Hell, it's possible that these "Higher Numbered" spartans were in our face the entire time.

Spartans such as James, Mike, and Cassandra have played large roles in the novels, and Halo canon, and they've never had their numbers stated. Plus, there is still 11 unnamed spartans who's numbers could be higher than 150.



Hopefully, this cleared some things up for you, and you know now why It is possible that these Spartans are part of the original group of spartans, and Not class II's, or spartan III's.[/b]


Also, Sierra has been used to designate marines, as well as spartans.

Ex: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Combat_Team_Sierra

  • 09.11.2009 1:37 PM PDT
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Wow. You clearly didn't read my entire post. Most of what you said I proved true in my OP.

  • 09.11.2009 1:39 PM PDT
Subject: Proof Why Spartan-II Class 2s Exist

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Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Posted by: magog_rules
Wow. You clearly didn't read my entire post. Most of what you said I proved true in my OP.


Actually he just proved your whole theory wrong. All you have as evidence is him saying "We're"

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  • 09.11.2009 3:23 PM PDT
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Why no I love bee's canon love? Put a little fixes here and there and it's canon so stfu.

  • 09.11.2009 3:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: magog_rules
Wow. You clearly didn't read my entire post. Most of what you said I proved true in my OP.


Actually he just proved your whole theory wrong. All you have as evidence is "He says We've"

The line goes "You've got Spartans on the ground sir. We're not going anywhere".

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  • 09.11.2009 3:35 PM PDT

Too often, people post on forums and just regurgitate what they've seen already and don't really explain their own views. - achronos

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Okay, You have a one track mind don't you. Lets get this straight. Just because bungie says ILB didn't make it into h2's cannon doesn't mean it can't tie in to further cannon as well. look at the thornbeast and engineers. they made it back into cannon after they were cut. (don't believe me read contact harvest and play ODST) so maybe that was never fully cut from the cannon. it just didn't tie into the game. Also, If there were only 150 POSSIBLE candidates, that means that there are only 150 selected all together. Don't you think that if there were only 150 kids at the start of the project. (actual physical training.) that they would have lowered the numbers to such instead of keeping hundreds, maybe a few thousand of numbers? that just wouldn't make sense in an organizational way.

TO the OP: good theory keep it up.




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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

In order to prove a point, you need to make sure you have your facts, and you need to have your argument make sense. In the trailer, the quote is, "You've (not we) got Spartans on the ground sir, we're not going anywhere," which leads to no reason why Spartans would be more likely than anything else (if you are still confused, just tell me and I will explain). After this I won't go any further as this point disproved your whole argument.

Plus, you don't need proof to say why something "might" happen. There is always a chance anything will happen.

@Babbleking: according to your logic, the Spartan's numbers should be all over the place in between 1-1000, yet none of the Spartan's numbers goes past 150.

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  • 09.11.2009 3:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

"Proof" and "might" do not belong in the same sentence.

  • 09.11.2009 4:07 PM PDT

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@Babbleking: according to your logic, the Spartan's numbers should be all over the place in between 1-1000, yet none of the Spartan's numbers goes past 150.


NO, I'm saying if they had any candidates over 150, there originally would have been off the charts. However, once the final process started the numbers, unless the unsc was retarded, should have been changed to 150 and Spartans w/ higher numbers were changed to a lower one to avoid confusion.

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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: Babble_King
should have been changed to 150 and Spartans w/ higher numbers were changed to a lower one to avoid confusion.
Then why aren't all the Spartan's numbers in numerical order? And are you saying a 987th candidate could be given the number 259?

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Posted by: Babble_King
should have been changed to 150 and Spartans w/ higher numbers were changed to a lower one to avoid confusion.
Then why aren't all the Spartan's numbers in numerical order? And are you saying a 987th candidate could be given the number 259?


He's saying you better forget this subject before you walk to close to the edge.

  • 09.11.2009 4:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

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Posted by: Babble_King
should have been changed to 150 and Spartans w/ higher numbers were changed to a lower one to avoid confusion.
Then why aren't all the Spartan's numbers in numerical order? And are you saying a 987th candidate could be given the number 259?


He's saying you better forget this subject before you walk to close to the edge.

Is an explanation too much to ask?

  • 09.11.2009 4:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: x MibZ x
"Proof" and "might" do not belong in the same sentence.

Yeah, I know. I was getting a little mad when I made the thread.

  • 09.11.2009 6:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Babble_King
should have been changed to 150 and Spartans w/ higher numbers were changed to a lower one to avoid confusion.
Then why aren't all the Spartan's numbers in numerical order? And are you saying a 987th candidate could be given the number 259?

No, not at all.

  • 09.12.2009 2:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: magog_rules
Posted by: P3P5I
Posted by: Babble_King
should have been changed to 150 and Spartans w/ higher numbers were changed to a lower one to avoid confusion.
Then why aren't all the Spartan's numbers in numerical order? And are you saying a 987th candidate could be given the number 259?

No, not at all.

I'm still not following.

  • 09.12.2009 2:58 PM PDT

I'm the Master chief

What if Spartan-59 (259) was aboard Frigate when he said that. Then he went into a Pelican and THEN died

  • 09.12.2009 3:08 PM PDT
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I can Haz :D

wow what does it matter really lol.

  • 09.12.2009 3:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Andrew117117
wow what does it matter really lol.

It matters because people don't belive in them. So I give proof as to why they do!

  • 09.12.2009 3:19 PM PDT