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Subject: Should There Be a Full Automatic Battle Rifle?

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Posted by: iLuckyshotzz
maybe make instead of a 1-shot br, another weapon. possible a mix between the br and sniper. stronger than br, but not as good shortrange, and have one shot but trigger pull.

covenant carbine anyone?

  • 09.13.2009 10:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: westpointusma15
Posted by: iLuckyshotzz
maybe make instead of a 1-shot br, another weapon. possible a mix between the br and sniper. stronger than br, but not as good shortrange, and have one shot but trigger pull.

covenant carbine anyone?


The point here is to create a new gun, or to modify it so it seems to be a new weapon. Not to say that Single Fire = Carbine, Full Auto = Assault Rifle.

  • 09.13.2009 10:55 AM PDT

Go Rams and Missouri!

The BR is already overpowered in Halo 3. We don't need to make it even better.

  • 09.13.2009 10:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Unseen Blade
The BR is already overpowered in Halo 3. We don't need to make it even better.


I beg to differ, the BR is perfect, not overpowered. Give me one instance in which the BR is too powerful, thats right you cant think of one. Everything can beat the BR, even the Magnum. Just Dual wield & beat down.

How is it overpowered? Give me evidence, back your statment up with proof.

  • 09.13.2009 11:02 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

BR + Auto = Halo 2 retarded glitches that made players UNBEATABLE. It would just be too strong.

  • 09.13.2009 11:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
BR + Auto = Halo 2 retarded glitches that made players UNBEATABLE. It would just be too strong.


Exactly it was an unintended glitch, Bungie did not purposely create BXR. It was an accident. We are talking about Halo : Reach not Halo 2. You made a weak point there, you cant be talking about the past because it is exactly that, the past. Reach will be a new game. So obviously it will not have "retarded glitches that made players UNBEATABLE."

FYI, No one is unbeatable. You should know that by now.

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Posted by: Shamikh
Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
BR + Auto = Halo 2 retarded glitches that made players UNBEATABLE. It would just be too strong.


Exactly it was an unintended glitch, Bungie did not purposely create BXR. It was an accident. We are talking about Halo : Reach not Halo 2. You made a weak point there, you cant be talking about the past because it is exactly that, the past. Reach will be a new game. So obviously it will not have "retarded glitches that made players UNBEATABLE."

FYI, No one is unbeatable. You should know that by now.
God i hated that about halo 2.....that ruined the game for me.

  • 09.13.2009 11:12 AM PDT

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Bungie made some mistakes, they know better know. That is why the new BR will make a great weapon.

  • 09.13.2009 11:14 AM PDT

Yes. It would be more in touch with Halo canon. The only problem I would see with this is people complaining about how the Battle Rifle should be 3 shots, not full auto or single shot, despite the fact they know nothing of Halo canon besides Chief.

  • 09.13.2009 11:15 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: Shamikh
Posted by: Unseen Blade
The BR is already overpowered in Halo 3. We don't need to make it even better.


I beg to differ, the BR is perfect, not overpowered. Give me one instance in which the BR is too powerful, thats right you cant think of one. Everything can beat the BR, even the Magnum. Just Dual wield & beat down.

How is it overpowered? Give me evidence, back your statement up with proof.

It's not that it is overpowered, it is just that it is too versatile. In a game like Halo where each weapon was designed to be useful in its own way, the Battle Rifle does not fit.

It is true that the BR is as close to a Perfectly Balanced Weapon as Halo 3 has ever gotten, but that is only acceptable in a game where the BR is the ONLY weapon. In a game such as Halo, with like I said many weapons with different uses, a single weapon cannot be balanced, putting a weapon in the middle of the massive sea-saw that includes others like the Plasma Rifle, Brute Shot, and Magnum totally throws the usefulness of every other weapon out the window.

I remember an enjoyable Blood Gulch game, where a in team of 8 4 would walk into the base, split up the 2 Shotguns, the AR, and the Plasma Rifle, then 2 other guys would head up top and ones would grab a pistol, the other a sniper. The Remaining 2 got into the Warthog, and began harassing the other team. Proper even distribution of weapons on the map.

In Halo 2, and 3, however, this is ruined. Lets use Valhalla as an example. Slayer BRs. Here's how it goes, the WHOLE TEAM rushes for the Sniper, one guy gets it, then one guy MIGHT bother to grab the power drain, and they would all head out, with JUST their BR and AR, completely ignoring the SMGs, Plasma Pistols, and Missile Pod still at the base, not bothering to get in a Warthog or Mongoose, completely forgetting the Shotguns, Turret, and Laser on the Map, because they don't need them anymore.

The game is no longer as interactive and enjoyable as it once was. People are ignoring weapons and vehicles they used to actually have FUN using and driving, because the BR takes all of that away.

(Before you say anything like "The Magnum in Halo CE was worse" your forgetting there were only ANY Pistols on around 1/2 the maps in the game, and there were NEVER more than 2, EVER. Guardian is the only map in Halo 3 with less than 4 Brs, and most of the maps have around 8.)

  • 09.13.2009 11:15 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: Justice One Duo
Yes. It would be more in touch with Halo canon. The only problem I would see with this is people complaining about how the Battle Rifle should be 3 shots, not full auto or single shot, despite the fact they know nothing of Halo canon besides Chief.

3 shot is Canon though, the Battle Rifle used by Johnson in Contact Harvest was a VERY early model, a prototype, they could have changed alot.

Either way, even if it wasn't overpowered, then what would we have? We would have a weapon that takes the place of the Carbine AND the AR and throws those two weapons out the window?

  • 09.13.2009 11:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: Shamikh
Posted by: Unseen Blade
The BR is already overpowered in Halo 3. We don't need to make it even better.


I beg to differ, the BR is perfect, not overpowered. Give me one instance in which the BR is too powerful, thats right you cant think of one. Everything can beat the BR, even the Magnum. Just Dual wield & beat down.

How is it overpowered? Give me evidence, back your statement up with proof.

It's not that it is overpowered, it is just that it is too versatile. In a game like Halo where each weapon was designed to be useful in its own way, the Battle Rifle does not fit.

It is true that the BR is as close to a Perfectly Balanced Weapon as Halo 3 has ever gotten, but that is only acceptable in a game where the BR is the ONLY weapon. In a game such as Halo, with like I said many weapons with different uses, a single weapon cannot be balanced, putting a weapon in the middle of the massive sea-saw that includes others like the Plasma Rifle, Brute Shot, and Magnum totally throws the usefulness of every other weapon out the window.

I remember an enjoyable Blood Gulch game, where a in team of 8 4 would walk into the base, split up the 2 Shotguns, the AR, and the Plasma Rifle, then 2 other guys would head up top and ones would grab a pistol, the other a sniper. The Remaining 2 got into the Warthog, and began harassing the other team. Proper even distribution of weapons on the map.

In Halo 2, and 3, however, this is ruined. Lets use Valhalla as an example. Slayer BRs. Here's how it goes, the WHOLE TEAM rushes for the Sniper, one guy gets it, then one guy MIGHT bother to grab the power drain, and they would all head out, with JUST their BR and AR, completely ignoring the SMGs, Plasma Pistols, and Missile Pod still at the base, not bothering to get in a Warthog or Mongoose, completely forgetting the Shotguns, Turret, and Laser on the Map, because they don't need them anymore.

The game is no longer as interactive and enjoyable as it once was. People are ignoring weapons and vehicles they used to actually have FUN using and driving, because the BR takes all of that away.

(Before you say anything like "The Magnum in Halo CE was worse" your forgetting there were only ANY Pistols on around 1/2 the maps in the game, and there were NEVER more than 2, EVER. Guardian is the only map in Halo 3 with less than 4 Brs, and most of the maps have around 8.)


Point taken.

But when you say everyone rushes sniper, I don't believe that is true. Maybe that is the case in Social Slayer or among the lower ranks but not with Brigs. Whenever I play BRs on Valhalla, 1 guys gets the sniper, 2 guys get the warthog. And the final man rushes the laser. Nowadays someone always throws the powerdrain.


The reason people dont get the plasma pistol or Missle Pod is because there is no use for those things at the begining of the game. Perhaps later on, when there is a Banshee, or a Warthog harrasing your team, you pull out your Missle Pod.

There is no relevance in the start, who would pull out a missle pod. Decrease his speed by 50% percent.

It makes sense to choose your modes of destruction wisely.

  • 09.13.2009 11:24 AM PDT

Avatar was awesome! If there is to be a Halo movie, make sure James Cameron gets the job!

I say no for definite. I do like the idea of being able to have a single shot, that would be great for nailing Grunts.

  • 09.13.2009 11:26 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: Shamikh
Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: Shamikh
Posted by: Unseen Blade
The BR is already overpowered in Halo 3. We don't need to make it even better.


I beg to differ, the BR is perfect, not overpowered. Give me one instance in which the BR is too powerful, thats right you cant think of one. Everything can beat the BR, even the Magnum. Just Dual wield & beat down.

How is it overpowered? Give me evidence, back your statement up with proof.

It's not that it is overpowered, it is just that it is too versatile. In a game like Halo where each weapon was designed to be useful in its own way, the Battle Rifle does not fit.

It is true that the BR is as close to a Perfectly Balanced Weapon as Halo 3 has ever gotten, but that is only acceptable in a game where the BR is the ONLY weapon. In a game such as Halo, with like I said many weapons with different uses, a single weapon cannot be balanced, putting a weapon in the middle of the massive sea-saw that includes others like the Plasma Rifle, Brute Shot, and Magnum totally throws the usefulness of every other weapon out the window.

I remember an enjoyable Blood Gulch game, where a in team of 8 4 would walk into the base, split up the 2 Shotguns, the AR, and the Plasma Rifle, then 2 other guys would head up top and ones would grab a pistol, the other a sniper. The Remaining 2 got into the Warthog, and began harassing the other team. Proper even distribution of weapons on the map.

In Halo 2, and 3, however, this is ruined. Lets use Valhalla as an example. Slayer BRs. Here's how it goes, the WHOLE TEAM rushes for the Sniper, one guy gets it, then one guy MIGHT bother to grab the power drain, and they would all head out, with JUST their BR and AR, completely ignoring the SMGs, Plasma Pistols, and Missile Pod still at the base, not bothering to get in a Warthog or Mongoose, completely forgetting the Shotguns, Turret, and Laser on the Map, because they don't need them anymore.

The game is no longer as interactive and enjoyable as it once was. People are ignoring weapons and vehicles they used to actually have FUN using and driving, because the BR takes all of that away.

(Before you say anything like "The Magnum in Halo CE was worse" your forgetting there were only ANY Pistols on around 1/2 the maps in the game, and there were NEVER more than 2, EVER. Guardian is the only map in Halo 3 with less than 4 Brs, and most of the maps have around 8.)


Point taken.

But when you say everyone rushes sniper, I don't believe that is true. Maybe that is the case in Social Slayer or among the lower ranks but not with Brigs. Whenever I play BRs on Valhalla, 1 guys gets the sniper, 2 guys get the warthog. And the final man rushes the laser. Nowadays someone always throws the powerdrain.


The reason people dont get the plasma pistol or Missle Pod is because there is no use for those things at the begining of the game. Perhaps later on, when there is a Banshee, or a Warthog harrasing your team, you pull out your Missle Pod.

There is no relevance in the start, who would pull out a missle pod. Decrease his speed by 50% percent.

It makes sense to choose your modes of destruction wisely.

Well, in an organized game, yes there is one appointed sniper, but I NEVER see the Hog, no-one uses it because it is ineffective on Valhalla. Standoff, yes, it is good. But not Valhalla.

  • 09.13.2009 11:27 AM PDT

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You kidding me!? Warthog FTW! It owns on every map that it is situated in.

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Posted by: Shamikh
You kidding me!? Warthog FTW! It owns on every map that it is situated in.
ill agree with shamikh on this one because if used wisely the warthog on valhalla can be very useful! ive seen several times when my team has came back from a 15 kill deficit to win the game because of it.

  • 09.13.2009 11:40 AM PDT
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you guys are all stupid, really, reach is well before CE, so if bungie puts a BR in the game at all they are just as dumb as you guys

  • 09.13.2009 12:13 PM PDT

what is the point of having an automatic BR, an automatic AR, an automatic SMG ???

too much automatic weaponzzz!

why not create an automatic rocket launcher?, huh?

  • 09.13.2009 12:25 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: Shamikh
You kidding me!? Warthog FTW! It owns on every map that it is situated in.

On Valhalla, it loses to Power Drainer, Sticks, Plasma Pistol, AND Missile Pod (All of which you can find IN YOUR BASE when you spawn)

  • 09.13.2009 12:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mastachief176
what is the point of having an automatic BR, an automatic AR, an automatic SMG ???

too much automatic weaponzzz!

why not create an automatic rocket launcher?, huh?


Technically the Rockets are Semi-Auto....

  • 09.13.2009 12:40 PM PDT

From the Initial Post, I can conclude the following :

1. Full Auto, and Single Fire would be a great addition to the BR. Think about it, this is 450 - 500 years in the future. Every weapon should have the ability to switch between modes of fire. The BR was a Special Ops Weapon, most likely used by Naval Intel. They would have needed a versatile weapon with which they could have engaged and dealt with multiple enemy contacts.

2. Full Auto, should be very Inaccurate, think counterstrike. Only the first 2 - 3 bullets would hit after that, the muzzle would bounce uncontrollably.

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I don't mean to sound like a smart ass but, there is a reason they use the Assault Rifle. The Battle Rifle is a nice break from a fully automatic weapon like the AR and the SMG.

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if it was full auto it would be way to good

  • 09.13.2009 1:12 PM PDT

Posted by: dahuterschuter
I think that you should be able to toggle between burst and automatic fire.
this

  • 09.13.2009 2:24 PM PDT

Could you please read this whole thread? I think it would solve some of the issues you bring up.

  • 09.13.2009 2:28 PM PDT