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Subject: Bungie must keep the BR or bring in the automag for this game

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They have too, these two weapons are the only things left that allow halo to be competitive. The game would be all about outsmarting the opponent instead of out shooting your opponents. :(

  • 09.14.2009 9:47 PM PDT

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You could still have a Carbine but... gasp.... does that mean that there wouldn't be an overpowered human gun that would suck all the variety out of the game?

Besides no one knows what the gameplay of Reach is going to be like so a change in gameplay could make those weapons less effective than they are right now.

  • 09.14.2009 9:55 PM PDT

I'm out.

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You could still have a Carbine but... gasp.... does that mean that there wouldn't be an overpowered human gun that would suck all the variety out of the game?

Besides no one knows what the gameplay of Reach is going to be like so a change in gameplay could make those weapons less effective than they are right now.


Because online rock paper scissors would revolutionize FPS gaming.

  • 09.14.2009 10:00 PM PDT

This is a game. Meant for fun.

And I will seriously consider not buying Halo: Reach if it has (yet again) a weapon that makes all other weapons redundant.

After all, you don't need a rocket launcher, 'mlg' killed vehicles too.

  • 09.14.2009 10:04 PM PDT
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What if they invent an entirely new weapon that makes the game even more competitive?

  • 09.14.2009 10:29 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

Currently, using the AR and getting a kill is outsmarting.

Have you heard of a term "Out AR-ing"?
No, but there is "Out BR-ing"

BR kills Halo.

  • 09.14.2009 10:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Killer4785
They have too, these two weapons are the only things left that allow halo to be competitive. The game would be all about outsmarting the opponent instead of out shooting your opponents. :(


I laughed. Hard.

CTF, outsmarting strategies win
Objective, outsmarting strategies win
Team Slayer, Outsmarting strategies win
Infection, outsmarting strategies win
King of the Hill, outsmarting strategies win

Chess, outsmarting strategies win
Warcraft, outsmarting strategies win

How long do you want me to go on?

Competition IS about outsmarting your opponent, and then I don't mean athletic sports.

If you run and gun in the middle of no where, it's a bad strategy, if you do it all the time, and you can't come up with a new strategy, then you can't be that smart.

You just put a weapon, a single freaking weapon, into the word competition. The BR, is not competition, it is a tool. The competition comes when two people outsmart each other with different tactics. One might even skip the BR and use another weapon, like a sniper at long range and a shotty at short range, then he positions himself at places where he can snipe, and use the shotty properly. Wether you want it or not, Halo is about outsmarting your opponent. Shooting them, it's just part of the strategy.

  • 09.15.2009 2:05 AM PDT

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I laughed. Hard.

CTF, outsmarting strategies win
Objective, outsmarting strategies win
Team Slayer, Outsmarting strategies win
Infection, outsmarting strategies win
King of the Hill, outsmarting strategies win

Chess, outsmarting strategies win
Warcraft, outsmarting strategies win

How long do you want me to go on?

Competition IS about outsmarting your opponent, and then I don't mean athletic sports.

If you run and gun in the middle of no where, it's a bad strategy, if you do it all the time, and you can't come up with a new strategy, then you can't be that smart.

You just put a weapon, a single freaking weapon, into the word competition. The BR, is not competition, it is a tool. The competition comes when two people outsmart each other with different tactics. One might even skip the BR and use another weapon, like a sniper at long range and a shotty at short range, then he positions himself at places where he can snipe, and use the shotty properly. Wether you want it or not, Halo is about outsmarting your opponent. Shooting them, it's just part of the strategy.


This game is an FPS, it's not chess or an RTS, therefore it should involve out shooting people. More than strategy goes into the game, you need strategy, a good aim and good communication to win.

  • 09.15.2009 3:23 AM PDT
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The br was like an bow and arrow to some army's. Anyway i love the br for it's scoping ablity ,but as long as there is a scoped weapon in halo i don't care what it is and yes i do love using the carbine when ever i get the chance.

  • 09.15.2009 3:44 AM PDT
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True it isn't a rts or other strategy game ,but you do need to balence your attacks instead of rushing or you become me when my squad is killed at the same time, while i have to fight what enemy's they left behind. However if you play with others at a high rank it's more on your own thing since no one relly communicates anymore unless that's just me. Good aim is the best to have ,but it doesn't mean anything if you go running in thinking you can save the macth for your team. By the way halo is not halo wars so it will not be a rts in some parts of halo reach.Peace

  • 09.15.2009 3:52 AM PDT
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I laughed. Hard.

CTF, outsmarting strategies win
Objective, outsmarting strategies win
Team Slayer, Outsmarting strategies win
Infection, outsmarting strategies win
King of the Hill, outsmarting strategies win

Chess, outsmarting strategies win
Warcraft, outsmarting strategies win

How long do you want me to go on?

Competition IS about outsmarting your opponent, and then I don't mean athletic sports.

If you run and gun in the middle of no where, it's a bad strategy, if you do it all the time, and you can't come up with a new strategy, then you can't be that smart.

You just put a weapon, a single freaking weapon, into the word competition. The BR, is not competition, it is a tool. The competition comes when two people outsmart each other with different tactics. One might even skip the BR and use another weapon, like a sniper at long range and a shotty at short range, then he positions himself at places where he can snipe, and use the shotty properly. Wether you want it or not, Halo is about outsmarting your opponent. Shooting them, it's just part of the strategy.


This game is an FPS, it's not chess or an RTS, therefore it should involve out shooting people. More than strategy goes into the game, you need strategy, a good aim and good communication to win.


OMG ORLY??? Halo is not a RTS? Not even a RPG???

Seriously, I never said "remove" weapons. I'm just angry that people put BR into competition when it's merely a tool to use.

You're talking like there's no "outshooting" people in Halo.

And actually, a good aim is not really needed. A strategy can be formed to counter that, give the person in question a different assignment, unless it's FFA. Then communication is there to make it easier to do. There can be Radio Silence you know.

personally, I don't give a fudge if they remove or keep the BR, but I still enjoy my BEless games more than the games with a BR.

  • 09.15.2009 5:01 AM PDT

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OMG ORLY??? Halo is not a RTS? Not even a RPG???

Seriously, I never said "remove" weapons. I'm just angry that people put BR into competition when it's merely a tool to use.

You're talking like there's no "outshooting" people in Halo.

And actually, a good aim is not really needed. A strategy can be formed to counter that, give the person in question a different assignment, unless it's FFA. Then communication is there to make it easier to do. There can be Radio Silence you know.

personally, I don't give a fudge if they remove or keep the BR, but I still enjoy my BEless games more than the games with a BR.


You were acting like being able to aim and shoot accurately is not important, which it is, ofcourse, as the game is a shooter (unlike the examples you gave of other competitve games).

And of course having a good aim is important. I mean you can use strategy and superiour positioning to get the drop on an opponent, but if you can't aim, and they can, then you will most likely lose.

  • 09.15.2009 11:01 AM PDT

Well, in all honesty. They NEED to have a mid range weapon with good accuracy. The BR is that for Halo 3. Along with the Carbine.

Now the whole point of keeping it is to also keep the competitiveness alive. Skill is above all in good competitive matches. Now, then you have the mental game which is used to of course out smart your opponent and move around the map.

Let me break it down. Let's say they didn't have the Battle Rifle or Carbine in Halo 3. So what do you have for accuracy? The Sniper Rifle, Spartan Laser, etc. They are all pretty much made for long range work. For short range you have the shotgun, assault rifle which can go mid but not effectively, mauler, etc. Those are for the up close encounters. So if you have one sniper on the map, someone picks it up, they are automatically the best equipped on the map. You CAN NOT COUNTER a sniper with a shot gun or assault rifle unless you get up close. The sniper is used to keep people at range.

So what does the Battle Rifle and Carbine do? It keeps it balanced. Because now the sniper can be used effectively but not over power the map.

Not only that but whoever doesn't have the sniper will camp if they're smart. So the games would go on in a stalemate. That's if you don't have a BR or Carbine in the game.

So I'd say the BR and Carbine and are the weapons keeping the game balanced and gives EVERYONE a chance. Fact of the matter is, if you are a BR hater because you die from it too much. Then you obviously need to counter that a different way then you normally would. If you hate using the BR, you need to at least know how to use it. That way you can counter those people that keep killing you. If you aren't so good with the aim, then work on it. Either that or always have grenades with you and at least be proficient with it.

The BR was given a spread and less magnetism so it wouldn't over power the map like in Halo 2. So don't say it's overpowered. Because it's not. People just refuse to use it because they think it sucks. Probably because they keep dieing from it.

In conclusion, Bungie at least needs to put in a accurate mid range weapon. If they're smart then they will. If they don't, then they won't make a balanced game.

[Edited on 09.15.2009 11:21 AM PDT]

  • 09.15.2009 11:19 AM PDT
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guys, the game obviously needs a mid range weapon. im not bashing the ar i mean like if you like it use it, and dont play mlg, fine i dont care. they even took it out of slayer and most playlists. people who like the competitive side of halo like the br because, in our opinion, it takes more skill to use. bungie doesnt care that much about the mlg community, so just let us keep our BR, and you guys can go on fragging kids or "outsmarting" them with your ar.

  • 09.15.2009 11:29 AM PDT
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BRs didn't exist in Halo: CE perhaps they won't exist in Reach. But who knows, could be interesting. I have a feeling that Reach isn't going to be small squad based tactical warface though, the kind of fighting that a BR comes in handy for. Reach was a full on War. they aren't going to be messing around here. I'm talking big guns and big explosions.

  • 09.15.2009 11:51 AM PDT

Look, Just because MLG players only know how to use a BR dose not mean it has to be in every halo game...Learn to use something else.
Its the funniest thing. You MLG players do nothing but -blam!- about the BR and how it is broken. But when the thing is taken away, Its like your dieing or something. Why do you care so much about something that is "broken"

  • 09.15.2009 12:09 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

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Posted by: Killer4785
They have too, these two weapons are the only things left that allow halo to be competitive. The game would be all about outsmarting the opponent instead of out shooting your opponents. :(


I laughed. Hard.

CTF, outsmarting strategies win
Objective, outsmarting strategies win
Team Slayer, Outsmarting strategies win
Infection, outsmarting strategies win
King of the Hill, outsmarting strategies win

Chess, outsmarting strategies win
Warcraft, outsmarting strategies win

How long do you want me to go on?

Competition IS about outsmarting your opponent, and then I don't mean athletic sports.

If you run and gun in the middle of no where, it's a bad strategy, if you do it all the time, and you can't come up with a new strategy, then you can't be that smart.

You just put a weapon, a single freaking weapon, into the word competition. The BR, is not competition, it is a tool. The competition comes when two people outsmart each other with different tactics. One might even skip the BR and use another weapon, like a sniper at long range and a shotty at short range, then he positions himself at places where he can snipe, and use the shotty properly. Wether you want it or not, Halo is about outsmarting your opponent. Shooting them, it's just part of the strategy.

Except that once you hit high competitive levels, there is no intelligence involved, all the players are TRAINED to use the SAME strategy EVERY time. No thinking required. At that point it becomes "whoever messes up the plan the most loses."

Either way, the only issue the BR really has is that it is TOO STRONG. A nurf to around 6 or 7 shot kill would work out alot better. The Carbine could go to a 10-12 shot kill, and have an increased clip size too. That would make the weapons balance better into the game.

[Edited on 09.15.2009 12:25 PM PDT]

  • 09.15.2009 12:21 PM PDT
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they might not have battle rifles because theyu were considered experimental weapons at the time and werent introduced to the standard marine yet the spartans do find them later though in ONIs castle base and begin using them then but i think they may stay with the typical halo 1 weapons with the exception of course prolly the SMG and ull prolly be able to dual wield unlike halo 1 thats my thought thanks for reading

  • 09.15.2009 1:03 PM PDT

word

  • 09.15.2009 1:12 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

I choose automag.

  • 09.15.2009 1:36 PM PDT

Sure this is my second account. My first one got stolen and XBL deactivated it.

Here it is. I would much rather still have it.

I have never seen a good player complain about the BR being OP.

The BR may seem OP to those who arent that good because it requires SKILL to use. If you suck, you therefore lack skill and thus cannot use the BR effectively.

Then, when a player with skill kills you with the BR, you call it OP because you cannot use it in the same way.

Bad kids call the BR OP.

Good players call the game balanced.

Is there a correlation here?

I think so

Learn to play the game in a balanced manner and then you will be a good player.

Whining about the BR and then claiming that the AR takes skill normally comes from those who arent that good at this game. There is a reason that you are not that good at this game, and that comes from these beliefs.

  • 09.15.2009 1:47 PM PDT