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Subject: Do u want BR back in Reach?
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NO! BR sucks

[Edited on 10.10.2009 2:13 PM PDT]

  • 10.10.2009 2:13 PM PDT

Posted by: Nightt FoX
NO! BR sucks


Someone obviously doesn't know how to use it.

  • 10.10.2009 2:19 PM PDT

yes

  • 10.10.2009 2:31 PM PDT

BR FTW.

  • 10.10.2009 2:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: fifthderelicte
MLG HATES this weapon. Yah, they use it as the starting weapon - because it's the only non power, medium ranged weapon and you can't start with carbines. If Bungie made any weapon with the same range and some consistency, MLG would drop the BR instantly.


Hm. Well, I feel obliged to ask if you consider yourself a member of the MLG community. I consider myself one and feel that I'm speaking for a large portion of the MLG Community when I say that we would much rather have the BR over the Pistol any day. The only thing you'll hear common complaining about is the BR Spread, which again, I feel as though I'm speaking for the majority of the community when I say that we hope to god the spread is gone in reach.

The discussion over this poll on the MLG forums.

You'll find that the OP is nearly the only person rooting for it gone.

The pistol was a very destructive weapon, and fun to use. But the BR is too big a part of Halo's identity, even MLG's identity.

Now, obviously this post was biased. But, I just found it interesting that someone decided we hated a gun most of us love and simply hope they fix the consistency of the spread in Halo: Reach.


[Edited on 10.10.2009 2:38 PM PDT]

  • 10.10.2009 2:36 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

A resounding no from me.

  • 10.10.2009 2:39 PM PDT
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How about the CE:Pistol

  • 10.10.2009 2:46 PM PDT

How come I never get the sniper rifle?!
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My ROFLsniper goes POW!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 10.10.2009 2:48 PM PDT
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I would love to see an official Poll. I bet you 75% of the community as a whole would say, "Yes, keep the Br."

The pistol is too overpowered and unbalance at the power it was before. No player would have time to react in a normal game of slayer so I easily see why it was changed in H3.

The battle rifle is med to long range. the AR is Close to medium range. AR would -blam!- Br close range and about 50% of the time medium range. Br rapes AR medium range to long range and almost never close range.

The AR is a great weapon but it's not an accurate one.

I would choose a semi-automatic weapon over an automatic any day.

  • 10.10.2009 2:51 PM PDT

all you cry babies that dont know how to use the br go play cod then you scrubs

  • 10.10.2009 2:52 PM PDT

98% of the people who play this game are garbage. If you're one of the 2% who isn't, copy & paste this into your signature.

Is this even a question? Of course I want it back. Unless of course it gets replaced by the H:CE Pistol

  • 10.10.2009 3:44 PM PDT

MLG loves the Halo: CE pistol. the only reason why the Br is the starting weapon in MLG is because there is no H:CE Pistol in H2 or H3.
I know that bungie got rid of the CE pistol because it worked just like a rifle in a pistol skin, but I think that they should bring back the mechanics of the pistol and re-skin it as a rifle for Reach. Maybe even make it a 4-shot kill like the Br but don't have a spread/burst of bullets just make it a semi-automatic weapon.

[Edited on 10.10.2009 3:50 PM PDT]

  • 10.10.2009 3:49 PM PDT

Reach was before H:CE so there weren't BR's yet. Can't be a BR in Reach. Only the pistol baby! XD

  • 10.10.2009 3:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: fifthderelicte
MLG HATES this weapon. Yah, they use it as the starting weapon - because it's the only non power, medium ranged weapon and you can't start with carbines. If Bungie made any weapon with the same range and some consistency, MLG would drop the BR instantly.


Hm. Well, I feel obliged to ask if you consider yourself a member of the MLG community. I consider myself one and feel that I'm speaking for a large portion of the MLG Community when I say that we would much rather have the BR over the Pistol any day. The only thing you'll hear common complaining about is the BR Spread, which again, I feel as though I'm speaking for the majority of the community when I say that we hope to god the spread is gone in reach.

The discussion over this poll on the MLG forums.

You'll find that the OP is nearly the only person rooting for it gone.

The pistol was a very destructive weapon, and fun to use. But the BR is too big a part of Halo's identity, even MLG's identity.

Now, obviously this post was biased. But, I just found it interesting that someone decided we hated a gun most of us love and simply hope they fix the consistency of the spread in Halo: Reach.


I use it well and I hate it.

It completely dominates the game play, and most of the so called "skill" is mainly "achieved" using that stupid weapon.

How can it be called skill if you only use one weapon?

I think the BR should be removed, so that players will actually have to use skill with the rest of the halo arsenal.

  • 10.10.2009 3:59 PM PDT

The Br is the only thing that keeps me going

  • 10.10.2009 4:00 PM PDT

i love you bungie thanks for the superb games

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I don't know, the head guy at Bungie in charge of weapon design is quoted as saying "I never liked the BR, I HATE the BR. That is why we took it out of ODST."[/quote]

that guy must love AR starts where he can run in a straight line at another kid with an AR and out AR him... takes so much skill

  • 10.10.2009 4:10 PM PDT
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If anyone thinks that taking one weapon out will make a game fail is -blam-ing retarded.

im not saying i hate the BR, but its not what made halo the game it is.

Now lots of people like it, and if it was taken out, lots of people would be upset.


But good players don't rely on one or two weapons.
Good players adapt.

  • 10.10.2009 4:12 PM PDT

if its br or hce pistol pistol>br

  • 10.10.2009 4:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: xSuPeR_S4iYaNx
MLG loves the Halo: CE pistol. the only reason why the Br is the starting weapon in MLG is because there is no H:CE Pistol in H2 or H3.
I know that bungie got rid of the CE pistol because it worked just like a rifle in a pistol skin, but I think that they should bring back the mechanics of the pistol and re-skin it as a rifle for Reach. Maybe even make it a 4-shot kill like the Br but don't have a spread/burst of bullets just make it a semi-automatic weapon.


How about this.
Bring the LOVELY BR back and just fix the spread so its more realistic.

People need to realize that the only reason they are not good with the BR is because they dont put the time and effort (which isnt much)into getting used to it and learning different techniques with it.

The AR takes NO skill at all and the Halo:ce pistol is WAY too overpowered for a PISTOL.

All the people from MLG(including myself)have become good with the BR and love it now bacause they used time after time. In other words, they kept praticing and learned to "feel" confortable with it. I myself used to hate it and would always choose an AR over it, but now i DESPISE the AR.

Just PRACTICE and u will at least get better.

  • 10.10.2009 4:19 PM PDT
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Sniper For Ever!!!!!! Jaul18

Posted by: Stinky ToolShed

Now lots of people like it, and if it was taken out, lots of people would be upset.

But good players don't rely on one or two weapons.
Good players adapt.


In MLG, "good players" have learned to adapt to not just one weapon, but like 7 (BR, Sniper, Carbine, Rockets, Mauler, Custom power-up, and now the Sword). All the BR haters are the ones that ONLY love the AR and they are the ones that need to ADAPT to other weapons.

Sry about the double post.

[Edited on 10.10.2009 4:27 PM PDT]

  • 10.10.2009 4:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jaul18
Posted by: xSuPeR_S4iYaNx
MLG loves the Halo: CE pistol. the only reason why the Br is the starting weapon in MLG is because there is no H:CE Pistol in H2 or H3.
I know that bungie got rid of the CE pistol because it worked just like a rifle in a pistol skin, but I think that they should bring back the mechanics of the pistol and re-skin it as a rifle for Reach. Maybe even make it a 4-shot kill like the Br but don't have a spread/burst of bullets just make it a semi-automatic weapon.


How about this.
Bring the LOVELY BR back and just fix the spread so its more realistic.

People need to realize that the only reason they are not good with the BR is because they dont put the time and effort (which isnt much)into getting used to it and learning different techniques with it.

The AR takes NO skill at all and the Halo:ce pistol is WAY too overpowered for a PISTOL.

All the people from MLG(including myself)have become good with the BR and love it now bacause they used time after time. In other words, they kept praticing and learned to "feel" confortable with it. I myself used to hate it and would always choose an AR over it, but now i DESPISE the AR.

Just PRACTICE and u will at least get better.
Sorry i have a life. Can't get better with the BR. It's pointless anyway. I prefer the pistol over a BR. Way more entertaining to kill with the pistol than a BR.

  • 10.10.2009 4:28 PM PDT
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MLG does not love it. In fact, they don't like it. They just use it because they hate everything else even more, and you can't start with carbines. Just look in the H3 forums and you'll see a dedicated BR thread. While some just argue against the BR because they don't like weapons that "dominate," a large amount of people in that thread hate the BR because it's too random and unskillful. It's too random and unskillful for consistency and competition. My reasoning and suggestions are posted below:

1. Being a burst weapon is fine. Heck, we have automatic weapons in Halo. The problem with this burst weapon, however, is that it's headshot capable. Think about SWAT and how easy it is to get headshots on unshielded people as opposed to using a single magnum or carbine. BRs allow you to swipe shoot and it makes headshotting take 0 skill.

2. But what about all those times you're in an epic battle with someone because you can't get the headshot at the range you're at? Doesn't that mean it does take aim? Not at all. Just think about all the complaints about the BR's accuracy. It is random at all but the closest medium range situations (it starts to go at a distance from gold to in front of snipe on guardian). This randomness makes for imprecise battles and can cause the victor not to be the one with the most skill, but the one who got the lucky break.

3. Of course a lot of weapons work that way, and we don't want a sniper, right? Well, how many snipers take 12 bullets to kill? The BR and carbine are both intended to be medium/medium-long weapons. When you make the core weaponset (those weapons which control the map the best, but aren't power weapons - so you can find them more readily)random, it means that you are randomizing the most used guns in the game. When you do that, it means you downplay skill. So how can you make a core weapon be just that - a great map controlling weapon - but one that is not a sniper and overpowered? I'll tell you.

What needs to be done for a headshot capable, core weapon, is to not have burst, first of all. When that's completed, the accuracy needs to be bumped up to almost perfect. On top of that, the zoom may be toned down just a bit, or maybe kept the same. Think about how hard it would be to headshot someone across standoff, even if the BR accuracy was almost perfect. The lack of zoom on the reticule makes it harder to hit targets because you're not zoomed in. The same thing applies to any of you hunters out there. You know what I'm talking about, when you move from your 22 with the dinky scope to your 243 with the massive scope.

This will allow the BR to be a skilled, accurate core weapon, but it will actually make it harder to get headshots at range (you can't get lucky with a random burst), but doable with skill. This not only makes the gameplay much better and more consistent, but it makes the skill gap larger too, which would be great. Compare the amount of those in the 40s from H3 to H2. It's gross.

4. Finally, if you still think the BR would be like a sniper, think about this. If the BR were made to be single fire, you would then technically need 12 bullets to kill. I think that's a little too much, and should either bump up the rate of fire, or move it down to 8 shots to kill (same as carbine). The big thing with these tweaks are to play with the power and rate of fire to make the BR kill in the amount of time you want it to be able to kill (around the time it kills now). With this and the single shot implemented, you have to skillfully land 8-12 different shots, rather than allow the burst to help you get lucky (or unlucky) at times.

Yes, that sounds similar to the carbine, and it is. However, what weapons don't have clones? Also, you could manipulate the rate of fire and/or power to make it kill in less/more shots but with the same speed, making it feel different than the carbine. Or, just take away the HS capability, bump up the power a little (so it takes 6 bursts or so to kill to the body) and now you have a medium ranged weapon that would suck at CQ, but still pings snipers out at medium ranges and can kill. It wouldn't be as accurate as the carbine, giving the carbine its own little niche.

5. I think the BR, and other long range weapons should have decreased melee damage, forcing them to play at their distances rather than being a jack of all trades (melee - burst to head = death). This would create a more balanced BR and allow for more tactical thinking in terms of weapon selection.

As it stands, the current BR is very used because it's a core weapon, it's powerful, and it's prevalent. However, it is a random, lucky, and easy weapon (in terms of HS anyway). They need to fix it to be a fine tuned, sklled, consistent weapon that will increase the skill gap. We need a core weapon, but it should not be the BR as it is now.

[Edited on 10.10.2009 4:30 PM PDT]

  • 10.10.2009 4:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Stinky ToolShed

Now lots of people like it, and if it was taken out, lots of people would be upset.

But good players don't rely on one or two weapons.
Good players adapt.


In MLG, "good players" have learned to adapt to not just one weapon, but like 7 (BR, Sniper, Carbine, Rockets, Mauler, Custom power-up, and now the Sword). All the BR haters are the ones that ONLY love the AR and they are the ones that need to ADAPT to other weapons.

Sry about the double post.
No AR for me thanks. I'll stick with an SMG.

  • 10.10.2009 4:36 PM PDT

-blam!- you -blam!- ass n00bs. BR rapes.

  • 10.10.2009 4:39 PM PDT

BR is the coolest thing in the whole wide world, I love it like I love Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys

  • 10.10.2009 4:46 PM PDT