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Subject: Do u want BR back in Reach?

No need help any more.

I think that they will

i think that they brought up SMGs in ODST because its ODST, not Master Chief,

and ODST is somewhat between halo 1-2 so ODSTs dont get BRs

thats what i think

  • 09.28.2009 5:17 AM PDT

Posted by: SweetTRIX
Personally I think that the BR should not return in it's current form. For better or worse (depending on personal opinion) the BR is far more effective than it was designed to be, often times fulfulling a role far outside of it's intended "assault rifle" slot.

If it were to be tweaked to make it a little less effective, or possibly a little less easy to use, or rebalance all the weapons to work better with it, then that would be one thing. But H2 and H3 have had very poor weapons balance, due in large part to the BR and how the players have used it.

In regards to MLG, they adapt their gameplay to the set of tools available. Bungie doesn't bow to them, no dev does. While the MLG community opinion should not be tossed to the wayside, the return of the BR wouldn't be dictated by them.


lol the BR is exactly the way it was designed to be. they didnt have a beta for nothing and clearly after leaving it the way it is for 2 years.....

  • 09.28.2009 5:50 AM PDT

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I say we start a movement right now right here against the BR in Matchmaking for Reach.


I say Hell no to having the BR in Halo 3 it ruined the game.

IT took a game that was fun to LAN and run campaign and just mess around and turned it into a Competitive mines bigger than yours, Rooster Fight!


I Love and hate the BR.


It is my preferred weapon do not say oh he's a noob.

well, don't say that because I played MLG and went to local events.( and I won them all)

The halo franchise has been ruined by the so Called "Pro's" That whine and cry about not getting a BR. (I am Referring to the noobs on Xb Live not actual pros).


A real pro doesn't need a single weapon to win a game all you need is your mind. The ability to out think and out play always wins out over superior weapon control.



My Rant is over for now I just hope bungie makes this game for the gamers that actually care about it for if they cater to MLG again like they did in halo 3 I know for a fact they will lose easily 2-3 million fans.


That is all,

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Posted by: subjectcow1
MLG does love this weapon. Im sure Bungie doesnt want to alienate them. I mean, they have their own playlist. Bungie can get away with it in ODST because it doesnt affect the multiplayer, but Reach is definately gonna need it.


Try actually playing Halo CE and watching early MLG events or videos...

  • 09.28.2009 7:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
I say we start a movement right now right here against the BR in Matchmaking for Reach.


I say Hell no to having the BR in Halo 3 it ruined the game.

IT took a game that was fun to LAN and run campaign and just mess around and turned it into a Competitive mines bigger than yours, Rooster Fight!


I Love and hate the BR.


It is my preferred weapon do not say oh he's a noob.

well, don't say that because I played MLG and went to local events.( and I won them all)

The halo franchise has been ruined by the so Called "Pro's" That whine and cry about not getting a BR. (I am Referring to the noobs on Xb Live not actual pros).


A real pro doesn't need a single weapon to win a game all you need is your mind. The ability to out think and out play always wins out over superior weapon control.



My Rant is over for now I just hope bungie makes this game for the gamers that actually care about it for if they cater to MLG again like they did in halo 3 I know for a fact they will lose easily 2-3 million fans.


That is all,

The DudeGuy





The BR didnt ruin anything in Halo 3.

You didnt go to any tournaments and win.

Im pretty sure if a Pro didnt have a weapon and only had "his" mind, a lot of people could out-BR him/her.

That wasnt much of a rant, good luck next time.

  • 09.28.2009 7:34 AM PDT

story wise it could be there

Posted by: GStunt100
I think that they will

i think that they brought up SMGs in ODST because its ODST, not Master Chief,

and ODST is somewhat between halo 1-2 so ODSTs dont get BRs

thats what i think


why not the BR was used alot during halo 2 and then dissappears on earth and then appears in on earth again?

[Edited on 09.28.2009 7:53 AM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 7:38 AM PDT

I think the BR should not be in the Campaign for story purpose and for gameplay. The BR made the campaign WAY too easy. It allowed for you to just run burst firing through the whole thing and there was no challenge. For all the people who say they weren't on Reach, they were. The Group of Spartans found them inside the base they were in when the planet was being glassed. But they were not implemented to the military at the time, strictly prototype. If they show up in Reach it should be very, very limited, not one on every friggin corner.

As for multiplayer, I don't like MLG, I don't like the BR, but it will be there. It was used so much and a tool for a lot of people that bungie would not pull it. However, due to its effectivness, I hope that they tone it down a bit. If I'm wrong and it doesn't appear in Reach multiplayer, I definetly won't miss it.

  • 09.28.2009 8:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: subjectcow1
MLG does love this weapon. Im sure Bungie doesnt want to alienate them. I mean, they have their own playlist. Bungie can get away with it in ODST because it doesnt affect the multiplayer, but Reach is definately gonna need it.

MLG can shift. I bet if the BR went away, they would just start using Carbines.

  • 09.28.2009 8:12 AM PDT

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Hmmmmmmmm...

Ah well, I shouldn't act so surprised. The BR is so damn close to being a Game Breaker that inevitably more people will want it when it shouldn't be put in than people who realize its Game Breaker status and realize that it shouldn't be put in due to the canon.

Let me put it this way: Outside of C.Q.B. and anti-vehicle combat, the BR can dominate anything. It becomes utterly pointless to use any other weapon if there are no vehicles around, as the BR will guarantee that the match will become monotonous.

This actually reminds me. I am planning to run some experiments in Halo 3, one involving the tired AR vs. BR discussion. Not so much in the "Which is better", as the BR is nearly a Game Breaker, as I have previously mentioned. More so in the sociological aspect.

Still, I need test subjects. Please, feel free to PM me if you want to be part of the experiment. I would like one person to have a capture card, but now I'm just getting off topic.

  • 09.28.2009 8:32 AM PDT

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I like the BR but I hope it's not in this game
Because
It would just be Halo 4 MM

I want this game to be a little different then past games
like people have said make a new weapon

  • 09.28.2009 8:52 AM PDT
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BR is awesome!

people dont like it cus they cant handle it!

BTW it looks just sweeeet!

BR FTW!

  • 09.28.2009 8:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Welsh
The BR & MLG Destroyed Halo.


Oh yeah, that first year of Halo CE was just paradice until MLG came along. I forgot how badly Halo 3 tanked after people hated the much more powerful Halo 2 battle rifle.

Posted by: x Lord Revan x
Even if there isn't a Battle Rifle...a weapon will need to be in the game to take its place.


Yes.

Posted by: SweetTRIX
Personally I think that the BR should not return in it's current form. For better or worse (depending on personal opinion) the BR is far more effective than it was designed to be, often times fulfulling a role far outside of it's intended "assault rifle" slot.

If it were to be tweaked to make it a little less effective, or possibly a little less easy to use, or rebalance all the weapons to work better with it, then that would be one thing. But H2 and H3 have had very poor weapons balance, due in large part to the BR and how the players have used it.


The central mid-range weapon on Halo has already been nerfed twice though, maybe its time to take a different route? Regardless of what Bungie does, there is going to be one weapon that is more versatile than all of the others and people are going to -blam!- and moan about it being the best gun in the game.

Maybe instead of making the Battle Rifle more role specific, other weapons could be made into less of pigeon hole, role specific weapons.

  • 09.28.2009 9:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: Zuka Zammane
Let me put it this way: Outside of C.Q.B. and anti-vehicle combat, the BR can dominate anything. It becomes utterly pointless to use any other weapon if there are no vehicles around, as the BR will guarantee that the match will become monotonous.


Sweet -blam!- jesus christ. No it does not. There are plenty more situations where the battle rifle is beat out almost completely by situation, without even factoring in player skill into the equation.

In a battle between two equally skilled players, the battle rifle is beat out at mid and close range by the carbine, and long range to if the player wielding the carbine is skilled enough. Even the needler stands a chance at the line between close-mid range against a BR wielder if your needler wielder isn't retarded.

Its beat out at long ranges by the spartan laser and both snipers easily.

The problem is that at mid range, the weapons that can challenge it either aren't on enough maps and the ones they are on there are two at more (carbine) or the weapon is useless for pretty much anything aside from an encounter that occurs at the line between mid-close range.

Halo has so far centered around mid-range combat, but there is only one weapon that players can use in that situation in most cases. If there were more weapons that could challenge the dominance of the BR at mid-range in the hands of a skilled user (not necessarily outright beat), we wouldn't be having some of the problems we are having. Centering combat around mid range when there is really only one mid range option for players to use is what created this problem. That the rest of the weapons in this game are extremely role specific and rely on situation and not player skill to defeat the battle rifle only magnifies it.

  • 09.28.2009 9:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Zuka Zammane
Let me put it this way: Outside of C.Q.B. and anti-vehicle combat, the BR can dominate anything. It becomes utterly pointless to use any other weapon if there are no vehicles around, as the BR will guarantee that the match will become monotonous.


Sweet -blam!- jesus christ. No it does not. There are plenty more situations where the battle rifle is beat out almost completely by situation, without even factoring in player skill into the equation.

In a battle between two equally skilled players, the battle rifle is beat out at mid and close range by the carbine, and long range to if the player wielding the carbine is skilled enough. Even the needler stands a chance at the line between close-mid range against a BR wielder if your needler wielder isn't retarded.

Its beat out at long ranges by the spartan laser and both snipers easily.

The problem is that at mid range, the weapons that can challenge it either aren't on enough maps and the ones they are on there are two at more (carbine) or the weapon is useless for pretty much anything aside from an encounter that occurs at the line between mid-close range.

Halo has so far centered around mid-range combat, but there is only one weapon that players can use in that situation in most cases. If there were more weapons that could challenge the dominance of the BR at mid-range in the hands of a skilled user (not necessarily outright beat), we wouldn't be having some of the problems we are having. Centering combat around mid range when there is really only one mid range option for players to use is what created this problem. That the rest of the weapons in this game are extremely role specific and rely on situation and not player skill to defeat the battle rifle only magnifies it.
Fair enough. However, I have yet to see many situations where BR-wielders swap out for anything else aside from a sniper or maybe a shotgun. That's just the sad thing about it.

  • 09.28.2009 9:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: subjectcow1
MLG does love this weapon. Im sure Bungie doesnt want to alienate them. I mean, they have their own playlist. Bungie can get away with it in ODST because it doesnt affect the multiplayer, but Reach is definately gonna need it.

MLG can shift. I bet if the BR went away, they would just start using Carbines.
But carbines are better then BRs if you hate the BR you will hate the carbine even more

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  • 09.28.2009 9:16 AM PDT

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the BR wont b there. just wait for the MA5K. better than the BR, i hope. i personally love the BR, but it wont be there because of story reasons

  • 09.28.2009 9:56 AM PDT

Fire.

The BR is a huge part of Halo and too many people like it to get rid of it.

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Yes it should be included.It adds depth to the game,if a bunch of people are running around with assault rifles then the game will be all about close quarters and beatdowns.If both are included there will be a happy medium.

  • 09.28.2009 10:46 AM PDT

Posted by: PiST0L PeeT
Yes it should be included.It adds depth to the game,if a bunch of people are running around with assault rifles then the game will be all about close quarters and beatdowns.If both are included there will be a happy medium.


You make it sound like the weapons in Reach are going to be exactly the same and not retooled in any way.

Ditch the carbine, make the BR single shot.

  • 09.28.2009 10:51 AM PDT

the BR has to be in REACH. in my opinion the is one of the best weapons in the halo series. good for long, mid, and close range. ;)

  • 09.28.2009 10:56 AM PDT
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Rank does not determine skill.

Yeah I really love BR, it's one of my favourite weapons in the Halo series, but I hope they make it more like the carbine, single shot. I still think it's gonna be burst but that's what I want if the BR will have a comeback in Reach.

  • 09.28.2009 11:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: Zuka Zammane
Posted by: Xx Mr Bill xX
Posted by: Zuka Zammane
Let me put it this way: Outside of C.Q.B. and anti-vehicle combat, the BR can dominate anything. It becomes utterly pointless to use any other weapon if there are no vehicles around, as the BR will guarantee that the match will become monotonous.


Sweet -blam!- jesus christ. No it does not. There are plenty more situations where the battle rifle is beat out almost completely by situation, without even factoring in player skill into the equation.

In a battle between two equally skilled players, the battle rifle is beat out at mid and close range by the carbine, and long range to if the player wielding the carbine is skilled enough. Even the needler stands a chance at the line between close-mid range against a BR wielder if your needler wielder isn't retarded.

Its beat out at long ranges by the spartan laser and both snipers easily.

The problem is that at mid range, the weapons that can challenge it either aren't on enough maps and the ones they are on there are two at more (carbine) or the weapon is useless for pretty much anything aside from an encounter that occurs at the line between mid-close range.

Halo has so far centered around mid-range combat, but there is only one weapon that players can use in that situation in most cases. If there were more weapons that could challenge the dominance of the BR at mid-range in the hands of a skilled user (not necessarily outright beat), we wouldn't be having some of the problems we are having. Centering combat around mid range when there is really only one mid range option for players to use is what created this problem. That the rest of the weapons in this game are extremely role specific and rely on situation and not player skill to defeat the battle rifle only magnifies it.
Fair enough. However, I have yet to see many situations where BR-wielders swap out for anything else aside from a sniper or maybe a shotgun. That's just the sad thing about it.


What's more sad is that its a worse decision in the long run to swap out for anything but a handful of gun combinations.

  • 09.28.2009 2:08 PM PDT
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I think Reach should have almost totally new weaponary I mean we've been using practically the same weapons since halo 2. I know they gotta bring some back (battle rifle included) but they need to do something crazy Game changing even with reach I love Halo and an evolution of the game is quite in order IMO.

  • 09.28.2009 2:15 PM PDT

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For all u ppl saying NO BR IT SUCKS
Then forget u
50% ppl use the battle rifle or sniper or carbine
50% Use the assualt rifle(noob weapon) rocket launcher spartan laser and other power weapons BESIDES sniper

Seriosly most people r mad becuz tons of people kill them with the Battle Rifle i use it all the time rather than the assualt rifle. Like seriosuly y do u think they call it the ASSUALT RIFLE THIS ISNT A FREAKIN FIGHTING GAME GOSH, STUPID NOOBS USING POWER WEAPONS MOST OF THE TIME(Besides sniper) GOD! Its annoying when u get killed 80% of the time by rockets , lasers, and shotguns, and most of all Assualt rifle! Gosh if u want explosives go to call of duty or burnout or other explosive game Halo is a mixture of assalt rifle and battle rifle ( short rand and long range) God. Not ALL PEOPLE LIKE CLOSE COMBAT GO TO TEKKEN FOR THAT

  • 09.28.2009 2:36 PM PDT

okay let me make this simple for you guys.. everyone is giving their opinions on whether the br should stay or go.. its always going to be like this: good people want it to stay while bad kids want it to go.. why dont bad people just get better and we wont have a problem. i hear halo reach multiplayer is supposed to be more intense and competitive... if it's going to be competitive it will need the br or another weapon almost exactly the same.

  • 09.28.2009 3:29 PM PDT