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Subject: Nothings wrong with HALO 3

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Those who think this game needs to go back to halo 2 times intsead of like halo 3 is wrong. I like that they added the AR, yes i hate it but it allows for people who arent as good at the game, to enjoy it more. Nothing is wrong with bungie appealing to less hardcore gamers. We as hardcore gamers can easily just play the MLG playlist, which takes out the ARs and most noob weopons aside from the mauler. Reach i think needs to keep the beginners appeal to their game. Because the people who are 'good' at the game, will own the people not as good pretty easily anyway.

[Edited on 09.17.2009 6:27 AM PDT]

  • 09.17.2009 6:26 AM PDT

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Your grammar sucks man. Also, there is a lot wrong with Halo 3 (not saying it's a bad game) but there is a lot wrong with every Video Game on the market.. The closest thing we got yo Perfect out there would have to be Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country, Halo 2, FFVII, and Duke Nukem 3D.

  • 09.17.2009 6:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: IE IR II IK I55I
Those who think this game needs to go back to halo 2 times intsead of like halo 3 is wrong. I like that they added the AR, yes i hate it but it allows for people who arent as good at the game, to enjoy it more. Nothing is wrong with bungie appealing to less hardcore gamers. We as hardcore gamers can easily just play the MLG playlist, which takes out the ARs and most noob weopons aside from the mauler. Reach i think needs to keep the beginners appeal to their game. Because the people who are 'good' at the game, will own the people not as good pretty easily anyway.
If the game takes as little skill as in H3, the casual majority is pleased. Cool, right? The hardcore gamer is pretty much left in the dust (sure you can change some stuff around, but the weapon balance can't be adjusted, so we're stuck with what we get).

If the game took more skill than H2/H3, then the hardcore minority is pleased, AND SO IS THE CASUAL MAJORITY. Wait, what the hell did I just say? Oh yeah!

If the game takes more skill, the ranking system works, so the guy who is bad at aiming is matched up against someone just as bad at aiming as him, so he is not getting killed too fast (as he would be when the game takes less skill because the ranking system is then less accurate) and he is having just as much fun as he did in the noob-friendly Halo games.

See? If the game takes more fun, EVERYONE is happy. Not just one group. Stop being selfish :)

  • 09.17.2009 7:00 AM PDT

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: IE IR II IK I55I
Those who think this game needs to go back to halo 2 times intsead of like halo 3 is wrong. I like that they added the AR, yes i hate it but it allows for people who arent as good at the game, to enjoy it more. Nothing is wrong with bungie appealing to less hardcore gamers. We as hardcore gamers can easily just play the MLG playlist, which takes out the ARs and most noob weopons aside from the mauler. Reach i think needs to keep the beginners appeal to their game. Because the people who are 'good' at the game, will own the people not as good pretty easily anyway.
If the game takes as little skill as in H3, the casual majority is pleased. Cool, right? The hardcore gamer is pretty much left in the dust (sure you can change some stuff around, but the weapon balance can't be adjusted, so we're stuck with what we get).

If the game took more skill than H2/H3, then the hardcore minority is pleased, AND SO IS THE CASUAL MAJORITY. Wait, what the hell did I just say? Oh yeah!

If the game takes more skill, the ranking system works, so the guy who is bad at aiming is matched up against someone just as bad at aiming as him, so he is not getting killed too fast (as he would be when the game takes less skill because the ranking system is then less accurate) and he is having just as much fun as he did in the noob-friendly Halo games.

See? If the game takes more fun, EVERYONE is happy. Not just one group. Stop being selfish :)

Epic post, that pretty much sums everything up.

  • 09.17.2009 7:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fat Tony B
Your grammar sucks man. Also, there is a lot wrong with Halo 3 (not saying it's a bad game) but there is a lot wrong with every Video Game on the market.. The closest thing we got yo Perfect out there would have to be Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country, Halo 2, FFVII, and Duke Nukem 3D.
Don't forget GoldenEye.

  • 09.17.2009 7:42 AM PDT

Feet First

Everyone that is still stuck on halo 2 needs to get a life.

Didn't Bungie say something about shutting the Halo 2 servers down at PAX?

I Agree that some of the best most memorable games of old school like donkey kong, and Super Mario World are great, but I would not put them on the same list.

It is a different era in video game history now.
New design methods and a different market.

The industry is growing and you must look to the future so stop being so hung up on halo 2, Halo: CE was awesome so was Halo 3 was awesome because of new features, Halo 3: ODST will be great, and Halo: Reach when the time comes will also be.

  • 09.17.2009 8:11 AM PDT

The Bring Back Bloodgulch Group have many members looking for more its kind of an unofficial petition to Bungie to bring back Bloodgulch in Reach http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/bx3g/Group/GroupHome.aspx

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Posted by: Fat Tony B
Your grammar sucks man. Also, there is a lot wrong with Halo 3 (not saying it's a bad game) but there is a lot wrong with every Video Game on the market.. The closest thing we got yo Perfect out there would have to be Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country, Halo 2, FFVII, and Duke Nukem 3D.
Don't forget GoldenEye.


Very good point... although i prefer Perfect Dark

  • 09.17.2009 8:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
If the game takes as little skill as in H3, the casual majority is pleased. Cool, right? The hardcore gamer is pretty much left in the dust (sure you can change some stuff around, but the weapon balance can't be adjusted, so we're stuck with what we get).

If the game took more skill than H2/H3, then the hardcore minority is pleased, AND SO IS THE CASUAL MAJORITY. Wait, what the hell did I just say? Oh yeah!

If the game takes more skill, the ranking system works, so the guy who is bad at aiming is matched up against someone just as bad at aiming as him, so he is not getting killed too fast (as he would be when the game takes less skill because the ranking system is then less accurate) and he is having just as much fun as he did in the noob-friendly Halo games.

See? If the game takes more fun, EVERYONE is happy. Not just one group. Stop being selfish :)

Exactly! What's the point of a ranking system if anyone can pick up the controller and trade AR kills?

The ranking system should make the playing field even, not the weapons.

  • 09.17.2009 11:36 AM PDT

''Hell is other people.''

Should we really listen to a guy who mispelled his own name?

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: IE IR II IK I55I
Those who think this game needs to go back to halo 2 times intsead of like halo 3 is wrong. I like that they added the AR, yes i hate it but it allows for people who arent as good at the game, to enjoy it more. Nothing is wrong with bungie appealing to less hardcore gamers. We as hardcore gamers can easily just play the MLG playlist, which takes out the ARs and most noob weopons aside from the mauler. Reach i think needs to keep the beginners appeal to their game. Because the people who are 'good' at the game, will own the people not as good pretty easily anyway.
If the game takes as little skill as in H3, the casual majority is pleased. Cool, right? The hardcore gamer is pretty much left in the dust (sure you can change some stuff around, but the weapon balance can't be adjusted, so we're stuck with what we get).

If the game took more skill than H2/H3, then the hardcore minority is pleased, AND SO IS THE CASUAL MAJORITY. Wait, what the hell did I just say? Oh yeah!

If the game takes more skill, the ranking system works, so the guy who is bad at aiming is matched up against someone just as bad at aiming as him, so he is not getting killed too fast (as he would be when the game takes less skill because the ranking system is then less accurate) and he is having just as much fun as he did in the noob-friendly Halo games.

See? If the game takes more fun, EVERYONE is happy. Not just one group. Stop being selfish :)


But that would make too much sense.

  • 09.17.2009 11:43 AM PDT

so remove the br in reach is what i say

  • 09.17.2009 11:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: codebot hitman
so remove the br in reach is what i say

They might remove the visual look of the BR, but a mid-range headshot weapon is always gonna be in the game, babes.

  • 09.17.2009 11:51 AM PDT
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One thing I find funny is that people who call themselves "casual" gamers generally tend to play video games as often as people they call "hardcore" gamers. In all actuality these self proclaimed "casual" gamers are merely people who suck at video games and have nothing better to do so they play video games and use being a "casual" gamer as an excuse for their repetitive failures.

  • 09.17.2009 11:52 AM PDT

Posted by: IE IR II IK I55I
Those who think this game needs to go back to halo 2 times intsead of like halo 3 is wrong. I like that they added the AR, yes i hate it but it allows for people who arent as good at the game, to enjoy it more. Nothing is wrong with bungie appealing to less hardcore gamers. We as hardcore gamers can easily just play the MLG playlist, which takes out the ARs and most noob weopons aside from the mauler. Reach i think needs to keep the beginners appeal to their game. Because the people who are 'good' at the game, will own the people not as good pretty easily anyway.

Theres something wrong with every video game made. It's peoples beleif. I honestly like the AR and the BR and any weapon bungie put in the game. And Reach is whatever the book makes it out to be and or anything bungie adds.

  • 09.17.2009 12:33 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

Posted by: RedXRulez
Should we really listen to a guy who mispelled his own name?
I don't like the guy, plus hes not MLG.

  • 09.17.2009 12:43 PM PDT

Every video game will have some problems with it.

[Edited on 09.17.2009 1:09 PM PDT]

  • 09.17.2009 1:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: IE IR II IK I55I
Those who think this game needs to go back to halo 2 times intsead of like halo 3 is wrong. I like that they added the AR, yes i hate it but it allows for people who arent as good at the game, to enjoy it more. Nothing is wrong with bungie appealing to less hardcore gamers. We as hardcore gamers can easily just play the MLG playlist, which takes out the ARs and most noob weopons aside from the mauler. Reach i think needs to keep the beginners appeal to their game. Because the people who are 'good' at the game, will own the people not as good pretty easily anyway.
If the game takes as little skill as in H3, the casual majority is pleased. Cool, right? The hardcore gamer is pretty much left in the dust (sure you can change some stuff around, but the weapon balance can't be adjusted, so we're stuck with what we get).

If the game took more skill than H2/H3, then the hardcore minority is pleased, AND SO IS THE CASUAL MAJORITY. Wait, what the hell did I just say? Oh yeah!

If the game takes more skill, the ranking system works, so the guy who is bad at aiming is matched up against someone just as bad at aiming as him, so he is not getting killed too fast (as he would be when the game takes less skill because the ranking system is then less accurate) and he is having just as much fun as he did in the noob-friendly Halo games.

See? If the game takes more fun, EVERYONE is happy. Not just one group. Stop being selfish :)

Epic post, that pretty much sums everything up.
Does new accounters ring a bell?? I guess you forgot that.

  • 09.17.2009 1:15 PM PDT

Lol. Most of the people I play with can't even use the AR. My cousin is a 41 in lone wolves, and he relies on the BR. He can't even use the AR. He just points in the area and wastes a clip. Doesn't even kill people half the time, and then complains about how the AR sucks. He doesn't seem to realize the AR does have a slight leading capability necessary for hits, you are able to burst, and you can get two kills per clip if you count your bullets. Nothing nooby about it. It's an arcade shooter. Halo has always been an arcade shooter. Get over it.

  • 09.17.2009 1:21 PM PDT

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This apple is brown, and rotten. This orange on the other hand, is in relatively average shape. So the orange is definitely the preferable option.
----------You can't compare apples and oranges. You're so dumb.

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
If the game takes as little skill as in H3, the casual majority is pleased. Cool, right? The hardcore gamer is pretty much left in the dust (sure you can change some stuff around, but the weapon balance can't be adjusted, so we're stuck with what we get).

If the game took more skill than H2/H3, then the hardcore minority is pleased, AND SO IS THE CASUAL MAJORITY. Wait, what the hell did I just say? Oh yeah!

If the game takes more skill, the ranking system works, so the guy who is bad at aiming is matched up against someone just as bad at aiming as him, so he is not getting killed too fast (as he would be when the game takes less skill because the ranking system is then less accurate) and he is having just as much fun as he did in the noob-friendly Halo games.

See? If the game takes more fun, EVERYONE is happy. Not just one group. Stop being selfish :)


Im sorry, but logic like this won't coinvince anyone, in any position to influence the direction of Halo: Reach.

Ignoring your baseless, and fundamentally flawed arguement that the game takes no skill. And steping into a hypothetical world, where neither Halo 3, or 2 take skill.

Your logic is still broken. Its fundamentally contradictory. It states the ranking system is broken, because no skill is required. Then states, players that have no skill will fair better when the game takes more skill. Because they won't get matched with as many players better than them. If the game takes little to no skill, by extention it wouldn't matter who you played.

To further explain what I mean.You have two situations, in your arguement. The one outright stated, and the one implied.

The one outright stated, describes a world where noobs get matched with players way better than them. And inturn get owned. Which you infer to be a sign of a game lacking skill. Which makes no sense at all.

The implied world, is one where good players aren't as high of a level as they should be. Because they get owned by, what are implied to be inferior players.

These two worlds, these two generalizations, are contradicting in nature. They are incompatible. If you put the two worlds together. You have a world where noobs "get killed too fast" by better players, because "better" players are a lower rank than they should be, because noobs can hold their own against them.

Simplifiying it further, to make the contradiction clear as day.

The cause of "inferior" getting owned, by your arguement is that inferior don't get owned when they should.

You don't solve this paradox, by saying, Okay I guess a more hardcore game will lead to inferior players getting owned more afterall. You solve it, by throwing your ego down the drain. And realizing, Halo 3 clearly, and undeniably takes skill. And a lot more of it than most games.

There is a reason, why so many people make second accounts. Because there is a wide range of skill levels in Halo 3.

The fact of the matter is, I don't see anything that suggests the game takes little to no skill. I see a bunch of players, who aren't as good as their ego leads them to believe. Who create webs of flawed logic, to compensate for that.



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I'm not really surprised that Halo 3 failed. Most of the time, game sequels fails.
So it's not really a big surprise to me.

  • 09.17.2009 1:25 PM PDT

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The reason why sequels fails is that they usually make the game easier for everyone. And things like adding new features is a good way keeping people hyped up for the new game so it will be well sold.

  • 09.17.2009 1:34 PM PDT

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This apple is brown, and rotten. This orange on the other hand, is in relatively average shape. So the orange is definitely the preferable option.
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Posted by: Uae Gamer
I'm not really surprised that Halo 3 failed. Most of the time, game sequels fails.
So it's not really a big surprise to me.


Yeah, the game clearly failed. Number one XBL game, on the activity chart two years later. Millions of copies sold. Critically praised. But your right, it failed because thats your baseless opinion.

Call it how it is.You didn't like Halo 3, for any number of reasons. Which is fine. But theres a huge leap, between that and saying the broad term that it failed. You have specific things about the game, you don't like. You evaluated that the things you didn't like, outweighted the things you did like. But other people, hell clearly most people, don't agree with that. Which makes the statement, "Halo 3 failed", a joke of a statement.

If you honestly believe, game sequels fail most of the time, the problem is probably on your end.

Its like saying, everytime I stop at my car at an intersection, my brakes make a noise. Then asserting the intersections are the problem. If you consistently have the same problem, at different intersections. But other people don't, the problem is probably your brakes.

[Edited on 09.17.2009 1:50 PM PDT]

  • 09.17.2009 1:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: ghostvirus
Posted by: Uae Gamer
I'm not really surprised that Halo 3 failed. Most of the time, game sequels fails.
So it's not really a big surprise to me.


Yeah, the game clearly failed. Number one XBL game, on the activity chart two years later. Millions of copies sold. Critically praised. But your right, it failed because thats your baseless opinion.

Call it how it is.[b]You[/u] didn't like Halo 3, for any number of reasons.

If you honestly believe, game sequels fail most of the time, the problem is probably on your end.

Even though Halo 3 failed, I still like it.

  • 09.17.2009 1:44 PM PDT

There is nothing wrong with halo 3. I think people just need to stop complaining and enjoy the game, because in actuality that's all it is, it is a game!!!! No need to get so serious over it, if you like it more power to you, if you don't then oh well, can't please everyone. I think halo 3 was made great, i love the campaign and the multiplayer, and they obviously knew what they were doing since 100s of thousands of players play it a day. They made it pretty well rounded for everyone i think. And if all you can do is complain about how a game is made, let's see you do do better!

  • 09.17.2009 1:49 PM PDT

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