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Subject: Deliver the brutality of war, Bungie. Please...

Posted by: Master Megatron
Everyone remember that "Believe" diorama they had for Halo 3? That huge area, all those Marines up against all those Covies? I want that. A Goddamn planet is falling, it had better be -blam!- huge in scale.


Also, that was very much what I was trying to say. We want a large conflict, Bungie. We don't want, as you game developers call it, an "encounter". That was Harvest. We want a war.

  • 09.17.2009 8:11 PM PDT

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I think that the way the AI behaves should depend on the difficulty level. But I agree, every AI should be more vicious, and overall more challenging/brutal to their enemies.

So this is what we currently have.

I think it should be more along the lines of this.

Of course this is a bad picture but basically, there needs to be less yellow, more contrast, and a little less saturation.

In terms of grit, we don;t need GoW or CoDW@W, but Halo just needs to be less cartoony.

  • 09.17.2009 8:13 PM PDT

You just made Halo look like Gears. We don't need a different color scheme to make Halo more 'brutal'.

  • 09.17.2009 8:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: travi26
If you guys want brutality or more blood...go join the military and go to the Middle East...you can see it for real and get your fill of it. If you come back alive..I doubt you will want to play it in a game.

What makes halo good is it is different then the others. Do you need a pool of blood after you kill somebody to really enjoy it?

If you do, then maybe bungie can add the families and children mourning the loss of those that are being killed. Then it will be really realistic.


I can agree with this.


Me too

  • 09.17.2009 9:44 PM PDT

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I'd rather not have body parts fly off.

  • 09.17.2009 10:12 PM PDT

The marines should be much more vulnerable than they are now since I can shoot over 10 or so assault rifle rounds at a marine without killing him/her. They should be able to aim somewhat like to how they do when you provoke them in Halo 3(when you kill too many marines and they turn on you)when they are stationary and should also do the same damage with projectile weapons as you do. I don't think there should be excessive blood and gore as there would be though. A little more would do good though :)

-A marine should say more than "Aye that burns!" when they get 2 bolts of superheated plasma shot at their face.

-Maybe another scene of ODST's dropping like in Halo 2?

-Make them say hoo rah more plz!!!! (with reasons, of course)
remember that scene in Halo 2 with Sgt Johnson in the pelican with those marines talking about Regret?

-Have settings for blood and gore (maybe even stick in a skull that adds lots more for those people who can't get enough graphic content)


[Edited on 09.17.2009 10:39 PM PDT]

  • 09.17.2009 10:16 PM PDT

A soldiers sacrifice is never forgotten

first of all, when have you ever experienced war? in war, people aren't running in slow motion and watching everyone die to sad music. war is totally different than what is portrayed in movies such as saving private ryan. marines joke and shout insults at enemies, i know this because i have 3 cousins in the marines. i agree that a bit less of the cartoony look would do halo some justice but halo is halo and always will be.

we already have GoW and CoD. the way they act in those are unrealisic anyway.

think about it.

  • 09.17.2009 10:56 PM PDT

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I agree with this, the fact that in the books, marines get hit with Plasma once, and it burns through EVERYTHING,killing them. Yet they get plastered in the games, and barely grunt about it. I want to see coordinated assaults, mass amounts of Marines with few survivors, and tactical strikes, Grenades thrown when appropriate, covering fire when allies move up, retreats, You see a buddy get sniped by a Jackal, what do you do? Stand there and die, or run like hell? The latter. I also expect AI Spartans to assist in the destruction of mass amounts of Covenant, most Spartans died on Reach, so lets make this one hell of a fight.

  • 09.17.2009 11:50 PM PDT
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I wouldn't enjoy halo nearly as much if there were limbs flying off everywhere. Halo has more of a light hearted and fun mood and something like a ridiculous amount of gore would kill the gameplay for me.

  • 09.17.2009 11:58 PM PDT

Ignorance leads to fear, fear lead to hate, and hate has ruined this world.

Posted by: travi26
If you guys want brutality or more blood...go join the military and go to the Middle East...you can see it for real and get your fill of it. If you come back alive..I doubt you will want to play it in a game.

What makes halo good is it is different then the others. Do you need a pool of blood after you kill somebody to really enjoy it?

If you do, then maybe bungie can add the families and children mourning the loss of those that are being killed. Then it will be really realistic.


To travi26, and others that don't think Halo should be more brutal (i.e bloody), here is my case to you.

Halo CE was gloomy. It was a dark game, especially on later levels when the flood were introduced. Remember The Library? Where are my fellow CE fans out there? Even without the graphical ability/power to have dismemberment (a la CoD WaW) or intense blood splatters, Halo CE was still a very chilling game.

As the sequels have come out though...

...Everything has gotten shiner, and brighter. It's as if Bungie had been invaded by a bunch of children busy experimenting for their first time with crazy fingerpaint. EVERYTHING got a splash of color. They reached over to the "bloom" knob and turned it WAY up.

On one hand it's different. I'll give them that, not many M rated FPS's out there are colorful. Gears, CoD, Killzone, are all dark, realistic games heavy with the browns and the grays.

But on the other hand...

I am sick and tired of playing a game that looks like it was colored by an over-caffeinated child who has a box of ONLY the primary crayons next to him. It would do Bungie well to at least lose the color, the brilliant shiny quality that almost everything in the Halo games has, and go back to the way it was in CE. They already have in ODST, but even at the same time as making the levels darker, they have a new mode (in the form of the ODST's visor) which helpfully outlines things in BRIGHT COLORED LINES.

I especially think Reach would be a perfect game to go back to the gloomy side of Halo. Heck, we all know how it turns out, it certainly isn't going to have a happy ending.

  • 09.17.2009 11:59 PM PDT

The brutality of war is not one of the themes that Bungie expresses within the Halo series.
I think adding it now would make it too similar to lesser games

  • 09.17.2009 11:59 PM PDT

Ignorance leads to fear, fear lead to hate, and hate has ruined this world.

Posted by: Jak O Bladez
The brutality of war is not one of the themes that Bungie expresses within the Halo series.
I think adding it now would make it too similar to lesser games


Oh really? Have you played any of the Halo games? Heard the dialogue that is spoken, especially the stuff by the Prophets, or the Arbiter?

Tell you what, play through the first Halo again, and come back and honestly tell me that they didn't intend for Halo to be brutal. (Hint: Remember, brutal doesn't always have to mean crazy blood splatters.)

Something being brutal is really just another way to shock the player and show him just how horrible the _______ is, or just why ________ is evil. When I'm told I am the savior of the human race, and I am this all-powerful spartan, and then I fight brightly colored, tiny aliens, who gibber nonsense, I tend to lose a bit of respect/awe for the game I am playing.

Sure Halo CE had it's moments of silliness, that's always been Bungie's way, but it's really gone over the top I feel.

  • 09.18.2009 12:22 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: WAR HOROR13
Although Marines aren't as good as a geneticly augmented super soldier, they should be able to kick ass and take names (which I have heard many Marines in Halo 3 say but they just can't do it), by this I mean they should be able to shoot with a great amount of accuracy, they shouldn't look clueless on the battle field, they should act like a real MARINE would in those situations.

So although every piece of Halo Canon (Aside from the ridiculously stupid Halo Wars plot) CLEARLY LETS YOU KNOW that the Humans LOSE EVERY FIGHT to the Covenant, you want the Marines to be better? Sounds stupid to me. They should ACT more like marines, but they shouldn't be NEARLY as durable as they are, they should die when a plasma burst hits them. They should MELT when a plasma burst hits them.

  • 09.18.2009 12:32 AM PDT

Anyone remember the 1st halo2 gameplay trailer.
To me that trailer made halo seem good and brutal
The ai seem smart. It made it dark and more like you were in a fight instead of running and gunning
That opening scence when they exit the pelican and the chief walks through the wounded and injuried. Now that was the dark brutal halo moment that should of been ingame

  • 09.18.2009 1:10 AM PDT

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.

Put simply in the words of Nietzsche as "the will to nothingness".

lolololol
Posted by: Spartana Soilder
-Shot in face in MP-

Oh noes my visor is cracked!, Oh noes theres blood in my helmet,

OH NOES NOT TEH BALLZ

  • 09.18.2009 1:11 AM PDT

Yes violent!!, but not so violent that the wussy Australian government wont let it into the country. (eg. fear 2 i think)

  • 09.18.2009 1:14 AM PDT

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.

Put simply in the words of Nietzsche as "the will to nothingness".

Seriously? I think it would be a waste of resources. We don't need gore, but we want it.

  • 09.18.2009 1:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: travi26
If you guys want brutality or more blood...go join the military and go to the Middle East...you can see it for real and get your fill of it. If you come back alive..I doubt you will want to play it in a game.

What makes halo good is it is different then the others. Do you need a pool of blood after you kill somebody to really enjoy it?

If you do, then maybe bungie can add the families and children mourning the loss of those that are being killed. Then it will be really realistic.

Lighten up, we're just looking for a bit of realism, damn.

So many 12 year olds wouldn't play this game if there was lots of Blood.

  • 09.18.2009 5:18 AM PDT
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I would like to see them ramp up the gore a tad.

  • 09.18.2009 5:22 AM PDT

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Ehhh idk, maybe stuff like you seeing the Grunts or Jackals easting ppl like they do- but in game dismemberment & such would probably unnecessary. I mean you would have to hit un-armored limbs & such to make it more realistic & ppl will probably have complaints if we do get dismemberment.

  • 09.18.2009 6:04 AM PDT

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.

Put simply in the words of Nietzsche as "the will to nothingness".

Yeah that explains why there are so many squeakers on gears then.
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Posted by: travi26
If you guys want brutality or more blood...go join the military and go to the Middle East...you can see it for real and get your fill of it. If you come back alive..I doubt you will want to play it in a game.

What makes halo good is it is different then the others. Do you need a pool of blood after you kill somebody to really enjoy it?

If you do, then maybe bungie can add the families and children mourning the loss of those that are being killed. Then it will be really realistic.

Lighten up, we're just looking for a bit of realism, damn.

So many 12 year olds wouldn't play this game if there was lots of Blood.

  • 09.18.2009 7:34 AM PDT
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Shot in the arm with a sniper. It gets blown off.
Thats realy un-realistic.

  • 09.18.2009 8:35 AM PDT
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oh realism? well halo has never been much on realism but i would like to see something happen more to the body's when they get killed. Bungie's games are 18+ not 13+ right?

  • 09.18.2009 8:46 AM PDT

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