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Subject: Should Halo Reach remove all equipment?

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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: YumBuscuitMan
Flare's would've been incredibly useful, possibly even more useful then a bubble shield CQB wise, if it wasn't for the jump glitch.


Or make it that whoever threw the flare is immune to its effects.


Thats like making Regenerators activated by red team hurt blue team when they enter the Regen zone. A flare can be used effectively when being chased down or being attacked by multiple enemies, and will at least confuse them for a bit.

  • 10.10.2009 7:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Spearmint

agreed no more power drain emp grenade. my thought is that all the equipement should be replaced as equipement grenades so they can be thrown instead of tossed in front of you. like the flash it should become a flash gernade and it should actually flash instead of just producing a continous bright light.

The idea of throwing a power drainer across a map seems like the perfect way to make equipment overpowered. Also, whats the point of making the flare a flash? Its somewhat useless as it is. Why make it more useless.
if you've ever played battlefield 2 you'd realise why a flash is more useful than a flare. anyone who is smart realises that a flash is better because you can throw it look away and your enemies will be blinded but you wont so they would be easy pickin's

in response to your comment about my emp grenade idea. make the range of the emp the size of the regen, it wouldn't be so overpowered then eh?

  • 10.10.2009 7:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Saint Mudknot
Maybe its just me for enjoying equipment. It totally changes the flow of a battle i think. Such as my favorite the Bubble Shield. I use it as a trap, sure shotguns and swords can hide there all day. But whats better then dropping a bubble and letting foolish people follow you into it, drop a frag nade that traps the explosion to only the enemy, and getting a quick kill off of it. The enemy didnt have to gunho it into my bubble, he was just dumb.
Energy Drain isnt effective if the enemy cant see you

Regen doesnt work against everything lol.

I think equipment is fine. It comes down to being equal to nades and guns, it is how you use them is how it is defined for gameplay.
so very true

  • 10.10.2009 7:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spearmint
Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Spearmint

agreed no more power drain emp grenade. my thought is that all the equipement should be replaced as equipement grenades so they can be thrown instead of tossed in front of you. like the flash it should become a flash gernade and it should actually flash instead of just producing a continous bright light.

The idea of throwing a power drainer across a map seems like the perfect way to make equipment overpowered. Also, whats the point of making the flare a flash? Its somewhat useless as it is. Why make it more useless.
if you've ever played battlefield 2 you'd realise why a flash is more useful than a flare. anyone who is smart realises that a flash is better because you can throw it look away and your enemies will be blinded but you wont so they would be easy pickin's

in response to your comment about my emp grenade idea. make the range of the emp the size of the regen, it wouldn't be so overpowered then eh?


Again, a flash grenade is mediocre compared to the flare from Halo. What is one little burst of light that doesn't stun a spartan in full Mjolnir armor unless compared to a continuous burst of bright blinding light. Good luck chasing after your opponent after he got you right in the face with a flare.

Anyone who is smart will realize that a flare is better then a flash. If you step back after throwing it a fair distance, it doesn't blind you.

[Edited on 10.10.2009 7:56 PM PDT]

  • 10.10.2009 7:55 PM PDT

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  • 10.10.2009 7:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: YumBuscuitMan
Posted by: Spearmint
Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Spearmint

agreed no more power drain emp grenade. my thought is that all the equipement should be replaced as equipement grenades so they can be thrown instead of tossed in front of you. like the flash it should become a flash gernade and it should actually flash instead of just producing a continous bright light.

The idea of throwing a power drainer across a map seems like the perfect way to make equipment overpowered. Also, whats the point of making the flare a flash? Its somewhat useless as it is. Why make it more useless.
if you've ever played battlefield 2 you'd realise why a flash is more useful than a flare. anyone who is smart realises that a flash is better because you can throw it look away and your enemies will be blinded but you wont so they would be easy pickin's

in response to your comment about my emp grenade idea. make the range of the emp the size of the regen, it wouldn't be so overpowered then eh?


Again, a flash grenade is mediocre compared to the flare from Halo. What is one little burst of light that doesn't stun a spartan in full Mjolnir armor unless compared to a continuous burst of bright blinding light. Good luck chasing after your opponent after he got you right in the face with a flare.

Anyone who is smart will realize that a flare is better then a flash. If you step back after throwing it a fair distance, it doesn't blind you.
that's my point a flare that blinds anyone close to it (which is usually the chase when anyone deploys a flash, honestly my sucess rate on throwing flares far enough that i don't get blinded is 2% as is with most people.

versus a flash which would blind you for the same amount of time a flare would last except you have the chance you turn away before it explodes and then you can see while you opponent is completely blinded.

  • 10.10.2009 7:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: YumBuscuitMan
Thats like making Regenerators activated by red team hurt blue team when they enter the Regen zone. A flare can be used effectively when being chased down or being attacked by multiple enemies, and will at least confuse them for a bit.
The whole immune thing i meant it only for the Flare and only for the guy who used it. His teammates would still be affected by it.

Though the only reason why I use it is exactly for that. Mainly for defensive purposes or when i see 2 or 3 enemies close together i use it to blind them while still trying to shoot (depending on how far they are and how much does the flare affect me).

  • 10.10.2009 8:03 PM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

that's my point a flare that blinds anyone close to it (which is usually the chase when anyone deploys a flash, honestly my sucess rate on throwing flares far enough that i don't get blinded is 2% as is with most people.

versus a flash which would blind you for the same amount of time a flare would last except you have the chance you turn away before it explodes and then you can see while you opponent is completely blinded.


I really hope this doesn't end up becoming a flame war. But how hard is it to drop a flare behind you, then run. At least your aware and know when to turn around, as for the people about to run straight for it, they will be blinded regardless.

I'm not insulting your skills with equipment, but i'm sure you've just been having some bad days with Flares.

  • 10.10.2009 8:04 PM PDT

Posted by: POWer PiLL
Lets just take a look at equipment and how it effects the gameplay.

Power Drain - You are on one shot throw it at a new enemy and you get a cheap kill.

Bubble Shield - You throw it breaks down the attack and causes the power weapons like the shotgun, hammer or sword.

Regenerator - If it is thrown down in a battle of any none power weapon makes even the least skillfull players are near invincible in 1v1 situations.

Gravity Lift - This piece of equipment helps campers or HLGers to get into places making them harder to find.

As you can tell from just these three pieces of equipment used in matchmaking they unbalance the gameplay and make some weapons over powered or underpowered.

So disscus whever or not you would ike to see equipment in Reach or not.

Also think how much better the gamplay of the first two halo games was compared to 3 due to this new system.


Power Drain - People are stupid to stick around a power drainer. Luckily, no one does.
This is your first fail.

Bubble Shield - No idea what you said, but people can go through it, throw a grenade, then get out. There are MANY ways you can get someone out of a bubble shield.
This is your second fail.

Regenerator - Near invincible? I have killed MANY people in a regenerator, no matter what weapon they have. So have many others.
This is your third fail. Your on a roll!

Gravity Lift - Blow up the gravity lift, shoot down the campers. DUH!!!
This is your fourth fail. DAMN!

  • 10.10.2009 8:09 PM PDT

Regen counters:

1. Throw grenade and destroy regen.
2. Enter regen with a close range weapon that can take shields down quick and allow for a beatdown. The regen does not regenerate shields that incredibly quick.

3. Shoot the regen while your friend sacrifices himself. Not only should the regen explode, but the enemy should still have less shields after fighting more than one person.

4. Throw in a power drain.

Cons of the Regen:

1. Sniper campers.

Bubble Shield counters:

1. Enter bubble shield and double team the enemy from both sides. Confuse the enemy as to who enters first to prevent him obtaining a cheap double kill.

2. Get in a vehicle and run the pansy over. He isn't going anywhere.

3. Enter and blow the -blam!- up with a grenade.

4. Wait with a long range weapon and shoot his butt when it dies. He can't shoot you. Go kill someone else while waiting.

5. Throw a grav lift in the bubble shield.

6. Enter with your own shotgun.

7. Throw in a power drain.

Cons:

You can learn to go half way out and snipe. Therefore giving sniping campers a good spot.

Grav Lift counters:

1. Learn the hiding spots.

2. There aren't that many out of map hiding spots anyways. It isn't that bad.

Cons: The few maps that have yet to be fixed. Bungie should add invisible walls to Forge so they can fix these spots in Reach without having to throw out patches left and right. They should also find a way to update the maps so we have the current version for lan parties.

Power Drain counters:

1. Throw in a regen.

2. There is a huge delay before the thing even activates. Run away if you see them throwing a power drain.

3. Unless they have the high ground then their shields are usually taken down too.

4. Throw a quick grenade. Grenade go boom and blow it up.

5. Hide in your bubble shield.

6. Shoot the power drain.

Cons: It's hard to avoid if ambushed, and thrown from high ground.

  • 10.10.2009 8:12 PM PDT

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It should because that crap didn't come in till Halo3. Now if this is infact the last Halo game than it should have everything BUT ONLY for multiplayer.

  • 10.10.2009 8:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: LooneyCass1

Power Drain - People are stupid to stick around a power drainer. Luckily, no one does.
This is your first fail.



Seems you never have thrown one at someone or had someone throw one directly at you.

  • 10.10.2009 8:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: DrakeBS757
It should because that crap didn't come in till Halo3.
What kind of logic is that? It shouldn't have Brutes, dual wielding, BRs and vehicle boarding because those didn't come out till Halo 2 and Halo 3?

  • 10.10.2009 8:19 PM PDT

Posted by: BTE
Posted by: LooneyCass1

Power Drain - People are stupid to stick around a power drainer. Luckily, no one does.
This is your first fail.



Seems you never have thrown one at someone or had someone throw one directly at you.

Yes I have, and you think that they or I would stick around when a power drainer is right on me? No.

  • 10.10.2009 8:21 PM PDT

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We should keep equipment exactly the way they are, except for the Grav Lift and Power Drain should be altered somewhat.

The Regen and Shield have an effective balance:

Regular Weapons < Regenerator
Heavy Weapons > Regenerator
Close Range > Regenerator

There are several power weapons on the map and going Close Range gives you a 50-50 chance of surviving.

Any Weapons < Bubble Shield
Vehicles > Bubble Shield
Close Range > Bubble Shield

Large maps with Bubble Shields always have vehicles to counter (Standoff, for exampl) and close range usually works (assuming that the person in the shield has the same weapon as you) especially if you come in from behind.

Power Drain should be altered so that it delivers a very short blast of EMP, and the ball itself should be relatively weak.

Grav Lift should be removed altogether. It does promote HLG crap and is just annoying altogether (especially on High Ground).

  • 10.10.2009 8:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: LooneyCass1
Yes I have, and you think that they or I would stick around when a power drainer is right on me? No.
Nope, but you would have either really low shields, or no shields at all. Its not about sticking around or not. Someone throws a Power Drainer directly at you and it will mess your shields up. Its more effective than throwing a Grenade and shooting you once with a BR since you don't really have to wait for it to detonate.

  • 10.10.2009 8:29 PM PDT

Posted by: BTE
Posted by: LooneyCass1
Yes I have, and you think that they or I would stick around when a power drainer is right on me? No.
Nope, but you would have either really low shields, or no shields at all. Its not about sticking around or not. Someone throws a Power Drainer directly at you and it will mess your shields up. Its more effective than throwing a Grenade and shooting you once with a BR since you don't really have to wait for it to detonate.

Well of course it makes you more likely to die. That's what a power drainer is for. But I'm mostly talking about what the OP said. There is ALWAYS a way to get out of situations. That was the whole point I waa making.

  • 10.10.2009 8:32 PM PDT

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No, Equiptment make the game more challenging.

  • 10.10.2009 8:33 PM PDT

they should probably keep the equipment. the point of equipment is to diversify the combat experience and i think it does that pretty well.

if anything, they should add, fix, or take/replace equipment.

but i guess u couldnt add too much equipment or its just equipment spamming.

i can only think of a few areas to fix equipment. i think the mine should probably be instant kill, flare shouldnt effect u and teammates, and im sure there are others but im not gonna stress over it.

Lastly, i say take or replace because u dont want too much equipment and u dont want too few. If they take one away, they should probably replace it with another.


[Edited on 10.10.2009 8:46 PM PDT]

  • 10.10.2009 8:44 PM PDT

Equipment unbalances gameplay and overpowers some weapons because that's their job.

Its just another layer to grabbing things on the map. If you wanna make the argument that equipment unbalances things, then you can make the same argument for power weapons like the RL, SR, and Shotty.

  • 10.10.2009 8:47 PM PDT

I didn't really understand the equipment that well in the Halo series, there was no equipment in Halo 1 and 2, but Halo 3 they just popped out of nowhere like they were made over night... or might be keeping them somewhere hidden then decide to use them, don't really understand at all. =/

  • 10.10.2009 8:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Sneakytaco
I didn't really understand the equipment that well in the Halo series, there was no equipment in Halo 1 and 2, but Halo 3 they just popped out of nowhere like they were made over night... or might be keeping them somewhere hidden then decide to use them, don't really understand at all. =/


Well bungie cant exactly launch a new game without adding anything new lol.

Yeah, its weird that they pop up out of no where. I guess we just have to use our imaginations for the sake of having new toys to play with for each sequel.

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  • 10.12.2009 6:03 PM PDT

Power Drain - You are on one shot throw it at a new enemy and you get a cheap kill.
Define "cheap." If the enemy wasn't alert enough to 1) be careful of such attacks or 2) react quick enough to finish you off before you could shoot, you desirve that kill.

Bubble Shield - You throw it breaks down the attack and causes the power weapons like the shotgun, hammer or sword.
1) Please make sense. 2) It's doing its job. The bubble shield creates a portable area of semi-safety. Doesn't break down an attack, just one method of it.

Regenerator - If it is thrown down in a battle of any none power weapon makes even the least skillfull players are near invincible in 1v1 situations.
Please define "skillfull." 1) If you are at a distance, you would have to hide once you are under attack like this. Is hiding skillfull? 2) If you are in close quarteres, you also gain this advantage. 3) It creates an area where both sides of a battle temporarily equalize. AKA, its job.

Gravity Lift - This piece of equipment helps campers or HLGers to get into places making them harder to find.
Those spots arn't even supposed to exist. If people will always commit crimes, should we just remove the law since it will get broken anyway?

Yes I want to see it in Reach. No Bungie won't remove it. Ever heared of BUNLE? If you havn't check out the archives.

  • 10.12.2009 6:15 PM PDT

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