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STORY
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - pacing was too quick
Halo 3 - half of it was filler
Halo Wars - good, but not enough explanation
Halo 3 ODST - ?
Halo Reach - ?

GAMEPLAY
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - horrible
Halo 3 - horribly horrible
Halo Wars - simple and fun
Halo 3 ODST - ?
Halo Reach - ?

FEATURES
Halo 1 - good for its day, lacking now
Halo 2 - wonderful
Halo 3 - even better, but with senseless limitations
Halo Wars - timeline was great but not expansive enough
Halo 3 ODST - customization and online lacking
Halo Reach - ?

MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - cheesy
Halo 3 - average
Halo Wars - great
Halo 3 ODST - great
Halo Reach - ?

GRAPHICS
Halo 1 - good for its day, bad now
Halo 2 - wonderful
Halo 3 - average for its day
Halo Wars - bad
Halo 3 ODST - nice and polished
Halo Reach - ?


STORY
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - brilliant
Halo 3 - half of it was filler
Halo Wars - tonned down, boring
Halo 3 ODST - ?
Halo Reach - ?

GAMEPLAY
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - excellent
Halo 3 - great but could be better
Halo Wars - simple, too simple
Halo 3 ODST - ?
Halo Reach - ?

FEATURES
Halo 1 - good for its day, lacking now
Halo 2 - good
Halo 3 - even better, but with senseless limitations
Halo Wars - timeline was great but not expansive enough
Halo 3 ODST - Fair for the game
Halo Reach - ?

MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - excellent
Halo 3 - great
Halo Wars - meh, ok i guess.
Halo 3 ODST - Havn't heard much from it, what i have is good.
Halo Reach - ?

GRAPHICS
Halo 1 - good for its day, bad now
Halo 2 - good for its day, ok now
Halo 3 - Good
Halo Wars - bad
Halo 3 ODST - Excellent
Halo Reach - ?


[Edited on 09.20.2009 6:45 PM PDT]

  • 09.20.2009 6:42 PM PDT

Go Yankees

Everybody keeps saying 343 will make an equal if not better game than Bungie could, but where's the evidence? Like the OP, I'm not saying they COULDN'T but the fact is they HAVEN'T yet, while bungie HAS. Things are a lot different in real life than they are on paper.

[Edited on 09.20.2009 7:52 PM PDT]

  • 09.20.2009 7:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - cheesy
Halo 3 - average
Halo Wars - great
Halo 3 ODST - great

Cheesy? No it isn't.

  • 09.20.2009 7:59 PM PDT

I'm sure it would feel just fine, seeing that Frankie is the head of 343 Industries.

  • 09.20.2009 8:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave.

IMO, the last brilliant Halo game was Halo 1. Halo 2 was good but not top-notch like Halo 1. Halo 3 kinda sucked, as did Halo Wars. Hopefully ODST will re-capture Halo 1's feel (looks like it with fall damage, med packs, no duel wielding). It'll be interesting if 343 will take Halo in a new direction or not.

  • 09.20.2009 8:03 PM PDT

Posted by: hadlermaster
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - cheesy
Halo 3 - average
Halo Wars - great
Halo 3 ODST - great

Cheesy? No it isn't.

"I need a weapon."
"Finishing this fight."
Don't get me wrong, it's a great game, it's just MC's one-liners that bother me the most.

  • 09.20.2009 8:04 PM PDT

Posted by: venix445
if thats so 343 industries will supposedly take over the halo franchise (again just what ive been reading on forums)does this worry anyone? because to me it seems unlikley that 343 could make halo games as good as bungie (down to the fact that they are not the original creators of halo), it could be a possible downhill slide for the halo franchise after reach.


343 is made up almost entirely of old Bungie employees. It is run by Frankie, one of the original writers of Halo. I have no doubt that they will be able to make EXCELLENT Halo games in the future.

Also, Halo Wars was an excellent Halo game that wasn't made by Bungie. Bungie is not the only good game developer. Add in the fact that you have writers that know the Halo Universe inside and out, and you will have good Halo games. Maybe they won't be exactly the same in terms of art style, or gameplay, but they will remain good games that will remain Halo in spirit.

  • 09.20.2009 8:21 PM PDT

Posted by: Mark Teixeira
Everybody keeps saying 343 will make an equal if not better game than Bungie could, but where's the evidence? Like the OP, I'm not saying they COULDN'T but the fact is they HAVEN'T yet, while bungie HAS.


Except that 343 is run by former Bungie employees that worked on Halo 1 and 2. Thus, they kinda HAVE made an equal game to Bungie, because they WERE Bungie (or at least part of it).

  • 09.20.2009 8:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - cheesy
Halo 3 - average
Halo Wars - great
Halo 3 ODST - great
Cheesy? No it isn't.
Yes it was.

  • 09.21.2009 5:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Paladin52
It is run by Frankie, one of the original writers of Halo.
Umm, no he wasn't. He wasn't with them during Halo 1 so that automatically makes him not one of the original members. In Halo 2 all he did was write news stuff for the websites. Same for Halo 3 but he helped to edit and proof read the script.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 5:46 AM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 5:45 AM PDT

Do you think anything 343 Studios comes up with storywise should be considered canon? I mean, they can really take the story wherever they want, and without Bungie behind the storyline I don't think it'll truly be "official." 343 should atleast have Bungie tell them where they want the story to go.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 10:15 AM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 10:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: rvcafighter
Do you think anything 343 Studios comes up with storywise should be considered canon? I mean, they can really take the story wherever they want, and without Bungie behind the storyline I don't think it'll truly be "official." 343 should atleast have Bungie tell them where they want the story to go.
Microsoft owns halo so what ever they have 343 do is, unfortunately, CANON!

  • 09.21.2009 12:09 PM PDT

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
STORY
Halo 1 - brilliant!!
Halo 2 - much better than Halo 1, everything is perfect in Halo 2
Halo 3 - good, but it could be much better
Halo Wars - good, what else they could do?
Halo 3 ODST - beautiful, very personla and sad.
Halo Reach - ???

GAMEPLAY
Halo 1 - good
Halo 2 - the best gameplay of the trilogy (many enemies always 3 sides fighting)
Halo 3 - better AI but less enemies than in Halo 2 so... BAD
Halo Wars - simple and fun
Halo 3 ODST - the same as Halo 3 but with many enemies sometimes... (it makes me remember halo 2 when you where able to fight many enemies)
Halo Reach - ???

FEATURES
Halo 1 - good for its day, lacking now
Halo 2 - wonderful
Halo 3 - even better, but with senseless limitations
Halo Wars - timeline could have some pics...
Halo 3 ODST - Firefight is the best feature better than forge and all those
Halo Reach - ???

MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - THE BEST OF ALL THE TRILOGY
Halo 3 - average (bad just remakes, disgusting)
Halo Wars - great
Halo 3 ODST - AWESOME
Halo Reach - ???

GRAPHICS
Halo 1 - good for its day, bad now
Halo 2 - great for its day, not so bad now...
Halo 3 - bad for its day (Halo 2 engine was better at least the blood didn't disappear in 2 seconds)
Halo Wars - bad in gameplay exelent in cinematics
Halo 3 ODST - nice and polished
Halo Reach - ???



Fixed,Cheewawa I respect your opinion but to me you always say something wrong.
So...

[Edited on 09.21.2009 12:42 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 12:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: hadlermaster
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - cheesy
Halo 3 - average
Halo Wars - great
Halo 3 ODST - great
Cheesy? No it isn't.
Yes it was.


I respect your opinion, but I personally think halo 2 had better music than the rest of the trilogy, granted many were remixes, but they were good. (unlike the average, overkill of direct remakes of halo CE songs in halo 3, some were good, but it had hardly anything new, or even any halo 2 songs)

However, when it comes down to those two songs, Blow me Away, and Follow, you may be right, but I don't think it was that bad, given bungie used that songs at the right moment in the game, while doing their best to tone down the vocals in the game.

Anyway, Halo 2 has a bigger variety of songs, some are average, many are good, but if anything, I praise Bungie for trying to add variety to the soundtrack, they weren't flawless with the song choices, like they did with halo CE's soundtrack, but they did try very hard with halo 2's music, and as of such, it has a few gems in it's soundtrack, that you don't hear in any other games right now. (songs like Peril, In Amberclad, and High Charity)

  • 09.21.2009 1:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: hadlermaster
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - cheesy
Halo 3 - average
Halo Wars - great
Halo 3 ODST - great
Cheesy? No it isn't.
Yes it was.


I respect your opinion, but I personally think halo 2 had better music than the rest of the trilogy, granted many were remixes, but they were good. (unlike the average, overkill of direct remakes of halo CE songs in halo 3, some were good, but it had hardly anything new, or even any halo 2 songs)

However, when it comes down to those two songs, Blow me Away, and Follow, you may be right, but I don't think it was that bad, given bungie used that songs at the right moment in the game, while doing their best to tone down the vocals in the game.

Anyway, Halo 2 has a bigger variety of songs, some are average, many are good, but if anything, I praise Bungie for trying to add variety to the soundtrack, they weren't flawless with the song choices, like they did with halo CE's soundtrack, but they did try very hard with halo 2's music, and as of such, it has a few gems in it's soundtrack, that you don't hear in any other games right now. (songs like Peril, In Amberclad, and High Charity)



I agree with you, Halo 2 hhave only 2 or 3 PARTIAL remakes.
and the most emotional and epic song belong to Halo 2, because that game have a very deep emotional and intense story.

I will never forget songs like Unforgotten, Mjolnir Mix, Mombasa suite and Epilogue.

  • 09.21.2009 1:40 PM PDT
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I sure hope not
It would be cool if the Elites started another war and there be like new places and stuff. I really don't think Reach should be the last one.. :P

  • 09.21.2009 2:08 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: venix445
so ive been reading alot over the forums that reach is gonna be the last halo game made by bungie i dont know if thats official but still it's possible.

if thats so 343 industries will supposedly take over the halo franchise (again just what ive been reading on forums)does this worry anyone? because to me it seems unlikley that 343 could make halo games as good as bungie (down to the fact that they are not the original creators of halo), it could be a possible downhill slide for the halo franchise after reach.

now dont get me wrong this could be the other way round and bungie stop making halo but 343 carry on makig great halo games but if thats still the case will it feel right, halo not being made by bungie? i dont know discuss it people

343 Industries is headed by Frankie from Bungie, and the staff comprising 343 is likely Bungie employees Frankie hand-picked to continue the Halo franchise.

  • 09.21.2009 2:09 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

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MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - cheesy
Halo 3 - average
Halo Wars - great
Halo 3 ODST - great
Cheesy? No it isn't.
Yes it was.

The Master Chief sequences had some cheesy music. But ALL the Covenant and Flood themed music was fantastic. Much better than anything out of Halo 1, 3, or Wars. The only decent UNSC songs were Ghosts of Reach, Mombasa Suite, Earth City, and Leonidas.

  • 09.21.2009 2:11 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Here's how I see it.

STORY
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - The most Depth, best overall story
Halo 3 - Terrible, thats what Bungie gets for changing writers
Halo Wars - WORSE. TOTALLY BUSTED CANON APART. PISSES ME OFF.

GAMEPLAY
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - Great, but the Glitches messed all that up.
Halo 3 - Probably the best overall for competetive play, not fun though.
Halo Wars - simple and fun, yet still a little complicated.

FEATURES
Halo 1 - good for its day
Halo 2 - wonderful
Halo 3 - Map and Armor features are great, but custom game limits are a back step
Halo Wars - It was pretty cool playing an RTS that WORKED on a Console.

MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - Most emotion, especially Covie and Flood themed music.
Halo 3 - Ok I guess
Halo Wars - Meh, the use of the monk chant was stupid, it is symbolic of HALO, not the Spartans. Love the Piano theme though.

GRAPHICS
Halo 1 - Incredible for its day, revolutionized the way games look now.
Halo 2 - The best for its day, Massively expanded on Halo 1's breakthrough.
Halo 3 - Decent, sub-par compared to games like CoD and Gears.
Halo Wars - Fantastic CG used in Cutscenes, in-game the best Console RTS graphics they could pull off while keeping Halo's colorful feel.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 2:19 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 2:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave.

Hell, since everyone's doing it, I'll throw in my 2 cents.
STORY
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - brilliant-er. Great depth, great Covenant side story.
Halo 3 - Terminals were great; everything else sucked, where was the depth, struggle, and awesome characters?
Halo Wars - Terrible. No explanation of any actions, why the -blam!- did we go to Arcadia for 1 level? WTF was up with that flood-infested planet?
GAMEPLAY
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - brilliant, until the BXR and -blam!- was found in MP
Halo 3 - ok
Halo Wars - too simple for an RTS, but they never should've made it for the console anyway.
FEATURES
Halo 1 - good
Halo 2 - good. matchmaking revolutionized online gaming
Halo 3 - great. Forge, theatre, armor customization are great
Halo Wars - ok. The timeline was kinda cool
MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - brilliant, apart from the traditional band's songs (ie Follow, Blow Me Away)
Halo 3 - ok
Halo Wars - ok
GRAPHICS
Halo 1 - great for its day
Halo 2 - great for its day
Halo 3 - good
Halo Wars - great cutscenes, bad in the normal game

  • 09.21.2009 2:41 PM PDT

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Here's how I see it.

STORY
Halo 1 - Introduced us to Halo, very good. Great ""horror" feel when the flood were introduced.
Halo 2 - Really showed us the covenant side of things. Progressed the story the most, although most of the levels themselves were poor.
Halo 3 - Not as good as Halo 1 or 2, but definitely not bad.
Halo Wars - Pretty average storyline, not very in-depth. Although the characters were good.

GAMEPLAY
Halo 1 - Nothing can beat Halo CE, at it's peak moments.
Halo 2 - Possibly the best online play ever. The Melee system was fine, and gameplay worked properly, save for glitches and modders.
Halo 3 - Could of been better. AR is unbalanced, and the covenant weapons are near useless, but still good. Made for more casual players.
Halo Wars - simple and fun, the best controls for any console RTS, and I love it.

FEATURES
Halo 1 - good for its day
Halo 2 - wonderful, for it's time.
Halo 3 - Map and Armor features are great, but custom game limits are a back step. Forge gives Halo 3 endless possibilities.
Halo Wars - It was pretty cool playing an RTS that WORKED on a Console.

MUSIC
Halo 1 - brilliant
Halo 2 - Most emotion, especially Covie and Flood themed music.
Halo 3 - Worst of the series. Not bad, just not as good as the others.
Halo Wars - Meh, the use of the monk chant was stupid, it is symbolic of HALO, not the Spartans. Love the Piano theme though.

GRAPHICS
Halo 1 - Incredible for its day, revolutionized the way games look now.
Halo 2 - The best for its day, Massively expanded on Halo 1's breakthrough.
Halo 3 - For 2007, it was pretty good. Although games like Gears really destroy Halo in terms of Graphics, they aren't really important.
Halo Wars - Fantastic CG used in Cutscenes, in-game the best Console RTS graphics they could pull off while keeping Halo's colorful feel.


Also, 343 will do JUST FINE.

  • 09.21.2009 2:44 PM PDT

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