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Subject: So will Halo: Reach use a new engine?

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Basic question to bungie or anyone who might have information on it. I know there really isn't too much to improve on the current Halo 3 engine but I was just wondering.

  • 09.21.2009 11:03 AM PDT

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Yes.Its called the AAA engine.

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Posted by: GenerateX3
Its called the AAA engine.


not it's not. and that's not even the first time I correct you XD
OP, it has no name for now.
it's just a triple A quality engine (meaning : extra high quality).

  • 09.21.2009 11:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: GenerateX3
Its called the AAA engine.


not it's not. and that's not even the first time I correct you XD
OP, it has no name for now.
it's just a triple A quality engine (meaning : extra high quality).

Oh.I only said that,because my friend told me it was called the AAA engine.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 11:39 AM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 11:39 AM PDT

Do you really care? you can't automatically see my signature anyway.

i heard it will make the average halo fan drool.

  • 09.21.2009 11:44 AM PDT

Yes, really

Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: GenerateX3
Its called the AAA engine.


not it's not. and that's not even the first time I correct you XD
OP, it has no name for now.
it's just a triple A quality engine (meaning : extra high quality).

THANK YOU! someone who can think

  • 09.21.2009 11:50 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Yes, it's going to have a new engine.

  • 09.21.2009 2:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Yes, it's going to have a new engine.

This does, however, mean that they have a whole new wave of problems they have to iron out before the release, and knowing Microsoft, they will force the release date, even if Bungie can't finish the game (this is what happened to Halo 2).

  • 09.21.2009 2:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Yes, it's going to have a new engine.

This does, however, mean that they have a whole new wave of problems they have to iron out before the release, and knowing Microsoft, they will force the release date, even if Bungie can't finish the game (this is what happened to Halo 2).


you mean the game that was the most played XBL game since it's launch like 5 or 6 years ago, that has NOT lost it's king place once in years, with some of the best map in every halo games, with some assets people consider to be the best (melee, ranking, weapons ...)?
yea, that sucks.

  • 09.21.2009 2:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Yes, it's going to have a new engine.

This does, however, mean that they have a whole new wave of problems they have to iron out before the release, and knowing Microsoft, they will force the release date, even if Bungie can't finish the game (this is what happened to Halo 2).


you mean the game that was the most played XBL game since it's launch like 5 or 6 years ago, that has NOT lost it's king place once in years, with some of the best map in every halo games, with some assets people consider to be the best (melee, ranking, weapons ...)?
yea, that sucks.


Huh? Halo2 was knocked off the top spot for a few weeks by Gears of War, until then there was nothing else to contend with it. As much as I love Halo, if you look at it with an unbiased eye, Halo2 prevailed as much due to lack of competition as it did due to it's own gameplay.

Krisis' point stands though, Halo2 was rushed. You can tell in the buggy gameplay. Part of Halo2's huge draw was that it openned up the "glitch" community that played to find and exploit bugs. Super bouncing, button combos and PP/BR combos (the latter two being animation glitches) and the like, they drew in a whole new crowd.

Personally I think that Bungie has taken quite a bit from their past mistakes, and I expect quite a bit from Reach in terms of both campaign (my favorite aspect) and MP.

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Huh? Halo2 was knocked off the top spot for a few weeks by Gears of War, until then there was nothing else to contend with it. As much as I love Halo, if you look at it with an unbiased eye, Halo2 prevailed as much due to lack of competition as it did due to it's own gameplay.

Krisis' point stands though, Halo2 was rushed. You can tell in the buggy gameplay. Part of Halo2's huge draw was that it openned up the "glitch" community that played to find and exploit bugs. Super bouncing, button combos and PP/BR combos (the latter two being animation glitches) and the like, they drew in a whole new crowd.

Personally I think that Bungie has taken quite a bit from their past mistakes, and I expect quite a bit from Reach in terms of both campaign (my favorite aspect) and MP.


I hope that you do realize that despite those shortcomings, Halo 2 was the greatest game that ever came.

1) Top of the notch graphics

2) One of the first games to enable XBL (I would say the first game but I'm unsure)

3) A solid online component coupled with a solid campaign (that I still enjoy playing from time-to-time. remember legendary on that game. Only for those who are truly masters at halo. STILL can't get past Cairo. Stuck at the part where the elites and grunts invade the space station) that many games can only imagine to imitate.

Not trying to bash you or anything like. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. (A prime example of immaturity is that one senator saying that whoever doesn't agree with Obama is racist)

If you think about, all devs will say that the game could be greatly improved. Heck, if they were given 10 years, then I'm sure that they will still say that if given another year, they would make it better.

Halo 2 for the xbox changed everything whether you want to admit it or not is up to you.

Halo CE put the xbox on the map

Halo 2 kept the xbox on the map and paved the way for the 360

If halo wasn't released on the xbox, we currently wouldn't be MS fanboys right now.

One last thing: before you go bashing on Sony fanboys remember this, you were once a sony fanboy, too (remember the PS2? back in the day, that was were all the good games were and what the tough guys played on)

  • 09.21.2009 3:53 PM PDT

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Huh? Halo2 was knocked off the top spot for a few weeks by Gears of War, until then there was nothing else to contend with it. As much as I love Halo, if you look at it with an unbiased eye, Halo2 prevailed as much due to lack of competition as it did due to it's own gameplay.

Krisis' point stands though, Halo2 was rushed. You can tell in the buggy gameplay. Part of Halo2's huge draw was that it openned up the "glitch" community that played to find and exploit bugs. Super bouncing, button combos and PP/BR combos (the latter two being animation glitches) and the like, they drew in a whole new crowd.

Personally I think that Bungie has taken quite a bit from their past mistakes, and I expect quite a bit from Reach in terms of both campaign (my favorite aspect) and MP.


I hope that you do realize that despite those shortcomings, Halo 2 was the greatest game that ever came.

1) Top of the notch graphics

2) One of the first games to enable XBL (I would say the first game but I'm unsure)

3) A solid online component coupled with a solid campaign (that I still enjoy playing from time-to-time. remember legendary on that game. Only for those who are truly masters at halo. STILL can't get past Cairo. Stuck at the part where the elites and grunts invade the space station) that many games can only imagine to imitate.

Not trying to bash you or anything like. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. (A prime example of immaturity is that one senator saying that whoever doesn't agree with Obama is racist)

If you think about, all devs will say that the game could be greatly improved. Heck, if they were given 10 years, then I'm sure that they will still say that if given another year, they would make it better.

Halo 2 for the xbox changed everything whether you want to admit it or not is up to you.

Halo CE put the xbox on the map

Halo 2 kept the xbox on the map and paved the way for the 360

If halo wasn't released on the xbox, we currently wouldn't be MS fanboys right now.

One last thing: before you go bashing on Sony fanboys remember this, you were once a sony fanboy, too (remember the PS2? back in the day, that was were all the good games were and what the tough guys played on)


I wasn't speaking ill of the game as much as I was trying to get people to take an honest look at it. Halo2 was the best thing on xbl (though certainly not the only title, not even among the first), but that is due largely to a lack of competition. Most huge titles were waiting for the next set of hardware. There was some competition to be sure, but it wasn't overly strong, not until the first Gears game.

The campiagn is regarded by many to be the weakest in the trilogy, with poor pacing and obvious cuts due to time constraints. Even Bungie employees have admited to as much. On legendary the only challenge the game presented was the openning, but once you adopted the PP/BR it was easy as pie. The worst offense, they wasted a great oppourtunity by designing the Arbiters levels to be nothing more than drawn out throw-aways. His second mission, to retrieve the index is terribly, you can literally run through it without firing a shot (i've done it) until you get to the shuttle into the library. The only thing you need to kill is the Super Sentinal.

I know it sounds like i'm being harsh and saying it's garbage, but that's not the case. I am critical of it because I am a huge Halo fan, and as a follow up to Halo CE, Halo2 only took steps forward in MP and it's engine, and the "advancements" made in MP are highly debatable.

I will certainly agree that Halo2 kept the box alive, but that wasn't because it was as earth shattering an FPS as it's predecessor was, it was simply better than anything else available at the time.

  • 09.21.2009 4:20 PM PDT

i know a sweet sweet engine called the search engine... search bar for short

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i would guess it is a new engine considering they are giving away the beta to anyone who buy ODST, and ODST is gonna sell like crazy.

Beta=finding bugs in engine
mass distribution of beta=lots of possible bugs to find
lots of possible bugs=new engine to work with. Its as simple as that

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Bungie said that the jumo in graphics from ODST to REACH will be like Halo 2 to Halo 3. when i first daw the Halo 3 graphics after playing H2, i pissed myself. the jump in quality was AMAZING!!!!

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Posted by: ILL PILL THRILL
microsoft didnt force bungie to release halo 2 before they could finnish it.

they forced them to release it before bungie ruind it!
HERESY!!!

  • 09.21.2009 4:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: ILL PILL THRILL
and halo 3 is more glitchy than halo 2, how many times have your plasma nades bounced off another player?

halo 2's "glitches" were actually things like BXR which rocked and took some skill to pull off. they were results of a perfect game, not glitches.


Are you serious? Please send me whatever it is your on, cause it sounds awesome. Halo3 being more glitchy than 2 is a serious fantasy. Yes it has it's issue's, but nowhere near what was wrong with Halo2

And i'm sorry, glitches like BXR take skill? Please dude, give me a break. Those little animation glitches made the game easy as hell, if you call that better then so be it.

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: ILL PILL THRILL
and halo 3 is more glitchy than halo 2, how many times have your plasma nades bounced off another player?

halo 2's "glitches" were actually things like BXR which rocked and took some skill to pull off. they were results of a perfect game, not glitches.


Are you serious? Please send me whatever it is your on, cause it sounds awesome. Halo3 being more glitchy than 2 is a serious fantasy. Yes it has it's issue's, but nowhere near what was wrong with Halo2

And i'm sorry, glitches like BXR take skill? Please dude, give me a break. Those little animation glitches made the game easy as hell, if you call that better then so be it.

double shotting with the BR (I think it was RRX) or even quad shotting (RRXYYRRX) take a little more skills than "press rt, land 6 bullets, press b to melee" imo.

  • 09.21.2009 6:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Yes, it's going to have a new engine.

This does, however, mean that they have a whole new wave of problems they have to iron out before the release, and knowing Microsoft, they will force the release date, even if Bungie can't finish the game (this is what happened to Halo 2).


you mean the game that was the most played XBL game since it's launch like 5 or 6 years ago, that has NOT lost it's king place once in years, with some of the best map in every halo games, with some assets people consider to be the best (melee, ranking, weapons ...)?
yea, that sucks.

Yeah the game that was fantastic, a real wonder, because it was an unfinished game that was REALLY successful. Bungie has explained in a couple of videos before that they were never given enough time with Halo 2, and it pained them to release a game so far from completion.

  • 09.21.2009 6:26 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

@BathLeoBlood

Xbox Live hit almost a year before Halo 2. There were a few games, like Mechassault, and Madden 0-whatever, that already had it. Mechassault was great, but when Halo 2 came out, was overlooked by many.

  • 09.21.2009 6:30 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

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Posted by: ILL PILL THRILL
and halo 3 is more glitchy than halo 2, how many times have your plasma nades bounced off another player?

halo 2's "glitches" were actually things like BXR which rocked and took some skill to pull off. they were results of a perfect game, not glitches.


Are you serious? Please send me whatever it is your on, cause it sounds awesome. Halo3 being more glitchy than 2 is a serious fantasy. Yes it has it's issue's, but nowhere near what was wrong with Halo2

And i'm sorry, glitches like BXR take skill? Please dude, give me a break. Those little animation glitches made the game easy as hell, if you call that better then so be it.

double shotting with the BR (I think it was RRX) or even quad shotting (RRXYYRRX) take a little more skills than "press rt, land 6 bullets, press b to melee" imo.

Regardless, they WERE Glitches. And the BR without RRX, RRXYYRRX, and BXR took less skill than actually prevailing in a one on one BR fight. Also the nades bounce off of a player's WEAPON. I have seen it, there are a few weapons that cannot be stuck, grenades just bounce.

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Posted by: XMadIrishmanX
Bungie said that the jumo in graphics from ODST to REACH will be like Halo 2 to Halo 3. when i first daw the Halo 3 graphics after playing H2, i pissed myself. the jump in quality was AMAZING!!!!



Where you read this?

  • 09.21.2009 6:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: ILL PILL THRILL
and halo 3 is more glitchy than halo 2, how many times have your plasma nades bounced off another player?

halo 2's "glitches" were actually things like BXR which rocked and took some skill to pull off. they were results of a perfect game, not glitches.


Are you serious? Please send me whatever it is your on, cause it sounds awesome. Halo3 being more glitchy than 2 is a serious fantasy. Yes it has it's issue's, but nowhere near what was wrong with Halo2

And i'm sorry, glitches like BXR take skill? Please dude, give me a break. Those little animation glitches made the game easy as hell, if you call that better then so be it.

double shotting with the BR (I think it was RRX) or even quad shotting (RRXYYRRX) take a little more skills than "press rt, land 6 bullets, press b to melee" imo.

Regardless, they WERE Glitches. And the BR without RRX, RRXYYRRX, and BXR took less skill than actually prevailing in a one on one BR fight. Also the nades bounce off of a player's WEAPON. I have seen it, there are a few weapons that cannot be stuck, grenades just bounce.


What he said, though the grenade issue on Halo3 is irritating, it's happend to me in Halo2 before as well.

  • 09.21.2009 6:35 PM PDT