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Subject: How the BR can be changed to be new and refreshing for Reach

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

It is obvious that the BR is a very controversial weapon, in that there are many who are for its complete use and many of those who are just plain tired of the strife it stirs. So, it seems obvious that the problem will never go away in it's current form.

Judging by the amount of people who still don't understand that Bungie made the creative decision to leave the BR out of ODST, the BR will nonetheless survive into the doctrine of whatever Reach may bring us.

I believe the BR should be changed. Some would say "upgraded." I, would say "downgraded." Now wait, let me explain: Halo: Reach obviously takes place during the Fall of Reach, before that of Halo CE. Now the amount of time can be argued, but since it is a prequel, I would say for the BR to follow more of what it was during development of Halo 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncp-c8Dask. I would call this the prototype BR, as it was a prototype for development of the game.

Characteristics of the Prototype BR55

- fires in three-round bursts when unscoped

- fires semi-automatically (however fast you can pull the trigger) when unscoped

- some other points, such as spread/crosshairs can be slightly altered as it is not the "final" version of the weapon

There is speculation on part of OXM that Halo: Reach could be class based. Why? Well, Bungie isn't just gonna give us the same formula every single time, right? They never have. And look at the top of the screen, the Reach banner. Different Spartans with different weapons. For me, that is the support I believe in for the class theory to be real. And how this will work with the BR: well, there is always some sort of riflemen in class based games.



[Edited on 09.21.2009 8:04 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 7:46 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

I think IF they even bother to include it. The traditional 3 round burst is the only way to keep BR fans interested. I like it because it is the ONLY weapon like that. If they made it semi-auto, then we would just have 2 Carbines.

  • 09.21.2009 7:48 PM PDT

"Everything works itself out. The only thing that matters is whether you want it to or not."

Last Refuge - Operation Phoenix is in effect. From the ashes, we will rise.

Interesting idea flawless. Although what I'd be thinking for the firing rate was alternate of what you said. Instead, semi-automatic fire for unscoped and 3 for scoped.

  • 09.21.2009 7:50 PM PDT

Dont underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

I would like to see the Br like in the E3...Halo 2...style when it fired 1 bullet.

  • 09.21.2009 7:52 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

I understand what you say about it being like a Carbine.

But if you watch the original Halo 2 demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncp-c8Dask you can see that my idea for the BR and it's burst is far different from the Carbine.

Perhaps it will not be the same as the Carbine in the way the shots come out. Carbine shots come out smooth and even. But the BR is human technology. And we know in the Halo universe that our technology isn't the streamlined advanced ones...

  • 09.21.2009 7:52 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: Hawk 2214
I would like to see the Br like in the E3...Halo 2...style when it fired 1 bullet.

Like I said, that would just make it so there are 2 Carbines.

And ^no, when I see that video, my only thought is "Its just like the Carbine"

[Edited on 09.21.2009 7:53 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 7:52 PM PDT
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I think we should add some noob features:

Dual Battle Riflezz FTW.

  • 09.21.2009 7:52 PM PDT

"Everything works itself out. The only thing that matters is whether you want it to or not."

Last Refuge - Operation Phoenix is in effect. From the ashes, we will rise.

Posted by: Hawk 2214
I would like to see the Br like in the E3...Halo 2...style when it fired 1 bullet.


Uhm.... The BR never did fire one bullet, or I never saw it did.

  • 09.21.2009 7:53 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
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Posted by: Council Elite 12
Interesting idea flawless. Although what I'd be thinking for the firing rate was alternate of what you said. Instead, semi-automatic fire for unscoped and 3 for scoped.



Perhaps, but if it is scoped and fires in semi-auto bursts, that will cut down on the complaints of the BR being annoyingly overpowered. And the way the weapon would then operate might even be more akin to a mixture of the Halo 2 BR and the Halo 1 M6D pistol.

  • 09.21.2009 7:54 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: Council Elite 12
Posted by: Hawk 2214
I would like to see the Br like in the E3...Halo 2...style when it fired 1 bullet.


Uhm.... The BR never did fire one bullet, or I never saw it did.


Watch the Halo 2 demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncp-c8Dask

  • 09.21.2009 7:55 PM PDT

behind the moon

if they want halo to succeed they need to leave the br the way it is, its working perfectly fine. the only thing they can fix is losing bullets over xbox live.

btw, halo will lose a large population of people if they remove the BR. while bks like the op dont want the br because they believe they would suddenly be able to get their 50s or something, the br holds the larger population of people who play matchmaking. its a fair and competitive weapon. i dont fps, i play halo 3, ive never played another fps and probably never will

  • 09.21.2009 7:55 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: Hawk 2214
I would like to see the Br like in the E3...Halo 2...style when it fired 1 bullet.

Like I said, that would just make it so there are 2 Carbines.

And ^no, when I see that video, my only thought is "Its just like the Carbine"


The BR would still retain it's three-round burst, just not in scoped form.

Perhaps a trade-off: you can give up the scoped accuracy for fire right, or give up right rate for precision accuracy. Do you see how that can balance out?

  • 09.21.2009 7:57 PM PDT

"Everything works itself out. The only thing that matters is whether you want it to or not."

Last Refuge - Operation Phoenix is in effect. From the ashes, we will rise.

Posted by: dreaml3oss
if they want halo to succeed they need to leave the br the way it is, its working perfectly fine. the only thing they can fix is losing bullets over xbox live.

btw, halo will lose a large population of people if they remove the BR. while bks like the op dont want the br because they believe they would suddenly be able to get their 50s or something, the br holds the larger population of people who play matchmaking. its a fair and competitive weapon. i dont fps, i play halo 3, ive never played another fps and probably never will


You think the BR is perfectly fine? I think it's fine, but maybe too fine. As in it's too versatile a weapon, it's good for long range, medium range, and close range (not melee). It needs to be downgraded a bit in my opinion, and it IS going to be in its prototype mode or something as flawless stated, as this is going to be a prequel.

  • 09.21.2009 7:57 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: dreaml3oss
if they want halo to succeed they need to leave the br the way it is, its working perfectly fine. the only thing they can fix is losing bullets over xbox live.

btw, halo will lose a large population of people if they remove the BR. while bks like the op dont want the br because they believe they would suddenly be able to get their 50s or something, the br holds the larger population of people who play matchmaking. its a fair and competitive weapon. i dont fps, i play halo 3, ive never played another fps and probably never will


Oh here we go!

You seriously have to bring in the 50 argument because you are a BR fanboy? Please, stop.

  • 09.21.2009 7:58 PM PDT

behind the moon

does anybody know what a BR is, its an m16, a weapon shouldnt be removed or changed because bad kids cant use, if its such a Power weapon why dont you go get 30 kills a game and get a 30 or something. because its not over powered. it takes skill and aiming.

  • 09.21.2009 7:58 PM PDT

How about just not have it?

  • 09.21.2009 7:59 PM PDT
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...Are you god?Posted by: dreaml3oss
does anybody know what a BR is, its an m16, a weapon shouldnt be removed or changed because bad kids cant use, if its such a Power weapon why dont you go get 30 kills a game and get a 30 or something. because its not over powered. it takes skill and aiming.
None of the guns in this game are that hard to aim, if you consider the aim assist Bungie slathered all over Halo 3...

[Edited on 09.21.2009 8:01 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 7:59 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: dreaml3oss
does anybody know what a BR is, its an m16, a weapon shouldnt be removed or changed because bad kids cant use, if its such a Power weapon why dont you go get 30 kills a game and get a 30 or something. because its not over powered. it takes skill and aiming.


Seriously, stop with you crap argument. I hear it all the time.

You are trying to argue with justification of "skill." What the hell are you even on about? "Bad kids" can use the BR fine. The BR is my most used weapon. But I am for it changing because not only do I believe that Bungie should change the formula that it causes to gameplay, but also because of the people like you who use the argument so much to talk trash.

  • 09.21.2009 8:02 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

No, the only things they could do to make the BR balance better are 1: Nurf bullet damage to a 6 burst kill, instead of 4, or 2, lower fire rate even more.

Of course, then the Carbine would also need a larger clip size, and a nurf to 10-11 shots to kill.

  • 09.21.2009 8:04 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

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...Are you god?Posted by: dreaml3oss
does anybody know what a BR is, its an m16, a weapon shouldnt be removed or changed because bad kids cant use, if its such a Power weapon why dont you go get 30 kills a game and get a 30 or something. because its not over powered. it takes skill and aiming.
None of the guns in this game are that hard to aim, if you consider the aim assist Bungie slathered all over Halo 3...

The only "Aim Assist" Bungie added is that the look sensetivity is lowered while looking at an enemy. If there was no Aim Assist, all you would have to do is lower your sensetivity, and bam, you have your own aim assist.

Far too many people confuse network latency and Aim Assist. Seriously.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 8:06 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 8:05 PM PDT

behind the moon

how did you know i was a fan boy, i guess ill never leave behind my past... sign

every single weapon in this game is good at short distance. some are better than others but weapons with long dont stop them from hitting close. the laser is deadly at any range, so is the sniper,

the only thing youll do by getting rid of the br is
a) all skill players who can aim and dont suck will go play COD 6 because it wont suck
b) keep playing halo 3
c) just beast you with another weapon

but i guess explaining what the br does for game is useless to you kids because your mad that you cant use

well guess what i use to be a bad kid you ran around with a ar too when i first got the game, but i was forced to get better and the best way to do that was learn how to aim and use a br

there is no skill in ARing and beating down 30 times a game, its boring and takes no skill, whats the point of getting better at a game if youre just going to ar, double beat down yahoo i love this game, i just jizzed in my pants, btw im only on the forums because the colts game is on, all the good kids are actually playing right now rather than crying because they are bad

  • 09.21.2009 8:06 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
No, the only things they could do to make the BR balance better are 1: Nurf bullet damage to a 6 burst kill, instead of 4, or 2, lower fire rate even more.

Of course, then the Carbine would also need a larger clip size, and a nurf to 10-11 shots to kill.


Perhaps a way to balance out plasma weapons would be to bring back plasma stun, and perhaps cause interference to the HUD.

  • 09.21.2009 8:06 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: dreaml3oss
does anybody know what a BR is, its an m16, a weapon shouldnt be removed or changed because bad kids cant use, if its such a Power weapon why dont you go get 30 kills a game and get a 30 or something. because its not over powered. it takes skill and aiming.

It is not really an M16. Real M16s can be used Full Auto, Semi Auto, or Burst. The BR has only been noted as having Semi Auto, and Burst capabilities. And the only version that had Semi Auto was the prototype Johnson used on Harvest, the versions the Spartans used on Reach were only burst.

Oh also, scoped M16s aren't REALLY used. They just let you put an Acog on the M16 in Cod for the customization option. To add to gameplay.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 8:09 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 8:08 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: dreaml3oss
how did you know i was a fan boy, i guess ill never leave behind my past... sign

every single weapon in this game is good at short distance. some are better than others but weapons with long dont stop them from hitting close. the laser is deadly at any range, so is the sniper,

the only thing youll do by getting rid of the br is
a) all skill players who can aim and dont suck will go play COD 6 because it wont suck
b) keep playing halo 3
c) just beast you with another weapon

but i guess explaining what the br does for game is useless to you kids because your mad that you cant use

well guess what i use to be a bad kid you ran around with a ar too when i first got the game, but i was forced to get better and the best way to do that was learn how to aim and use a br

there is no skill in ARing and beating down 30 times a game, its boring and takes no skill, whats the point of getting better at a game if youre just going to ar, double beat down yahoo i love this game, i just jizzed in my pants, btw im only on the forums because the colts game is on, all the good kids are actually playing right now rather than crying because they are bad


Who says we use the AR?

  • 09.21.2009 8:08 PM PDT

behind the moon

if your good with the br why change it,

because your not and im not the greatest in the world with it either

difference is when i get out BRed i dont come on here and cry about i get better at the game. its like if a NFL demanded to remove passing from the game because they dont have a QB

  • 09.21.2009 8:10 PM PDT

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