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Subject: How the BR can be changed to be new and refreshing for Reach

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: dreaml3oss
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every single weapon in this game is good at short distance. some are better than others but weapons with long dont stop them from hitting close. the laser is deadly at any range, so is the sniper,

the only thing youll do by getting rid of the br is
a) all skill players who can aim and dont suck will go play COD 6 because it wont suck
b) keep playing halo 3
c) just beast you with another weapon

but i guess explaining what the br does for game is useless to you kids because your mad that you cant use

well guess what i use to be a bad kid you ran around with a ar too when i first got the game, but i was forced to get better and the best way to do that was learn how to aim and use a br

there is no skill in ARing and beating down 30 times a game, its boring and takes no skill, whats the point of getting better at a game if youre just going to ar, double beat down yahoo i love this game, i just jizzed in my pants, btw im only on the forums because the colts game is on, all the good kids are actually playing right now rather than crying because they are bad

In case you can't remember (which you obviously can't) the AR was a really skill-testing weapon in Halo CE. You were required to use bursts properly, and in Halo CE AND Halo 2, it took skill to get beatdown kills in most cases. AR Beatdown, or anything/beatdown, only became nooby in Halo 3 because they made Melee so OP. If Melee were nurfed, then Closer ranged weapons like the AR would lose all that "Noobyness" they have now.

  • 09.21.2009 8:12 PM PDT

behind the moon

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Posted by: dreaml3oss
how did you know i was a fan boy, i guess ill never leave behind my past... sign

every single weapon in this game is good at short distance. some are better than others but weapons with long dont stop them from hitting close. the laser is deadly at any range, so is the sniper,

the only thing youll do by getting rid of the br is
a) all skill players who can aim and dont suck will go play COD 6 because it wont suck
b) keep playing halo 3
c) just beast you with another weapon

but i guess explaining what the br does for game is useless to you kids because your mad that you cant use

well guess what i use to be a bad kid you ran around with a ar too when i first got the game, but i was forced to get better and the best way to do that was learn how to aim and use a br

there is no skill in ARing and beating down 30 times a game, its boring and takes no skill, whats the point of getting better at a game if youre just going to ar, double beat down yahoo i love this game, i just jizzed in my pants, btw im only on the forums because the colts game is on, all the good kids are actually playing right now rather than crying because they are bad


Who says we use the AR?


sorry did i forget to mention shot gun and rockets, mauler if your playing mlg, dont you hate it when you press Y and it doesnt change to your ar.

btw i get really defensive when people want to remove the br because then all kids who can aim will be forced to keep playing halo 3 if reach is suppose to be the next multiplayer

  • 09.21.2009 8:13 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: dreaml3oss
Posted by: XxFLAWxLESSxX
Posted by: dreaml3oss
how did you know i was a fan boy, i guess ill never leave behind my past... sign

every single weapon in this game is good at short distance. some are better than others but weapons with long dont stop them from hitting close. the laser is deadly at any range, so is the sniper,

the only thing youll do by getting rid of the br is
a) all skill players who can aim and dont suck will go play COD 6 because it wont suck
b) keep playing halo 3
c) just beast you with another weapon

but i guess explaining what the br does for game is useless to you kids because your mad that you cant use

well guess what i use to be a bad kid you ran around with a ar too when i first got the game, but i was forced to get better and the best way to do that was learn how to aim and use a br

there is no skill in ARing and beating down 30 times a game, its boring and takes no skill, whats the point of getting better at a game if youre just going to ar, double beat down yahoo i love this game, i just jizzed in my pants, btw im only on the forums because the colts game is on, all the good kids are actually playing right now rather than crying because they are bad


Who says we use the AR?


sorry did i forget to mention shot gun and rockets, mauler if your playing mlg, dont you hate it when you press Y and it doesnt change to your ar.

btw i get really defensive when people want to remove the br because then all kids who can aim will be forced to keep playing halo 3 if reach is suppose to be the next multiplayer

Yes I can understand that, but a whole game based around one central weapon is boring. I prefered Halo CE, when even though the pistol was powerful, it was rare, not even appearing on alot of maps. The game was about carrying the right weapon, for the right situation. It took plenty of skill and teamwork to properly devide the weapons and follow up on good use of whatever weapon you were given. As opposed to Halo 2 and 3 where the BR took over completely and became the one gun to rule them all.

  • 09.21.2009 8:15 PM PDT

behind the moon

i never played halo 1 and only a halo every once in a while at friends, and no if melee sucked then the br would -blam!- on you even more because all those close weapons would become useless and then youd be completly screwed against people who can aim, the only thing that saves bad kids is the beatdown

go shoot a gun in real life, it is possible for them to cause damage further than 2 feet, and no you dont have to beat down after you finish unloading your clip

just because the br forces you to think and not just mindlessy rush doesnt mean it should be removed.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 8:18 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 8:16 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: dreaml3oss
i never played halo 1 and only a halo every once in a while at friends, and no if melee sucked then the br would -blam!- on you even more because all those close weapons would become useless and then youd be completly screwed against people who can aim, the only thing that saves bad kids is the beatdown

If they nurfed the Melee AND the BR (just one or two shots) Along with the Carbine, and Magnum a little too. The game would play more interestingly. The game wouldn't be about one weapon anymore, the AR, Spiker, Plasma Rifle (only weapon that needs a little buff, and no dual wield), SMG, Magnum, Shotgun, Mauler, Rocket, everything would balance WITH the BR, instead of the BR outbalancing over all of them.

Just think for a second, a game where all the weapons had a PURPOSE. Not where it was just a bunch of weapons, then one weapon that did everything.

MLG would actually be able to start using some of the weapons they don't use now, like the Brute Shot, or the Plasma Rifle, without feeling like they are "Noobing" up MLG.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 8:21 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 8:18 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: dreaml3oss
Posted by: XxFLAWxLESSxX
Posted by: dreaml3oss
how did you know i was a fan boy, i guess ill never leave behind my past... sign

every single weapon in this game is good at short distance. some are better than others but weapons with long dont stop them from hitting close. the laser is deadly at any range, so is the sniper,

the only thing youll do by getting rid of the br is
a) all skill players who can aim and dont suck will go play COD 6 because it wont suck
b) keep playing halo 3
c) just beast you with another weapon

but i guess explaining what the br does for game is useless to you kids because your mad that you cant use

well guess what i use to be a bad kid you ran around with a ar too when i first got the game, but i was forced to get better and the best way to do that was learn how to aim and use a br

there is no skill in ARing and beating down 30 times a game, its boring and takes no skill, whats the point of getting better at a game if youre just going to ar, double beat down yahoo i love this game, i just jizzed in my pants, btw im only on the forums because the colts game is on, all the good kids are actually playing right now rather than crying because they are bad


Who says we use the AR?


sorry did i forget to mention shot gun and rockets, mauler if your playing mlg, dont you hate it when you press Y and it doesnt change to your ar.

btw i get really defensive when people want to remove the br because then all kids who can aim will be forced to keep playing halo 3 if reach is suppose to be the next multiplayer

Yes I can understand that, but a whole game based around one central weapon is boring. I prefered Halo CE, when even though the pistol was powerful, it was rare, not even appearing on alot of maps. The game was about carrying the right weapon, for the right situation. It took plenty of skill and teamwork to properly devide the weapons and follow up on good use of whatever weapon you were given. As opposed to Halo 2 and 3 where the BR took over completely and became the one gun to rule them all.


I agree. Gameplay around one weapon is dull and pointless.

Why is it that I play Halo more over Call of Duty? Well in CoD, what difference is there between weapons? They practically do the same things! But Bungie is an awesome developer, and actually creates interesting things.

I don't care about using one weapon the entire time. Hell, I pick up SMG's and Spikers! I like Halo because of the dynamic gameplay. And using the BR 24/7 isn't dynamic.

  • 09.21.2009 8:21 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

I do keep the BR if I get it because it is the best overall weapon in the game. But I actually drop my AR for ANYTHING, Mauler, Plasma Rifle, Spiker, WHATEVER. I do it.

Oh and for me, the BR, and Carbine are interchangeable. Heck, I even don't bother to pick up the BR sometimes if I already have Dual Magnums, because they kill faster.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 8:23 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 8:22 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Posted by: XxFLAWxLESSxX
Posted by: Council Elite 12
Interesting idea flawless. Although what I'd be thinking for the firing rate was alternate of what you said. Instead, semi-automatic fire for unscoped and 3 for scoped.



Perhaps, but if it is scoped and fires in semi-auto bursts, that will cut down on the complaints of the BR being annoyingly overpowered. And the way the weapon would then operate might even be more akin to a mixture of the Halo 2 BR and the Halo 1 M6D pistol.

  • 09.21.2009 8:30 PM PDT

WAZAAM!!!
herp derp

a br with fire modes grenadelauncher wit different attachments

  • 09.21.2009 8:32 PM PDT

behind the moon

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
I do keep the BR if I get it because it is the best overall weapon in the game. But I actually drop my AR for ANYTHING, Mauler, Plasma Rifle, Spiker, WHATEVER. I do it.

Oh and for me, the BR, and Carbine are interchangeable. Heck, I even don't bother to pick up the BR sometimes if I already have Dual Magnums, because they kill faster.


no human weapon is exactely like its alien couter part, the carbines is actually more powerful then the br but alot harder to aim because it doesnt have spread. even is you miss slightly with the br you may still a bullet or two.

ever think that people dont use all those other weapons because they get you killed, theyre bad and we dont need thirty -blam!- versions of the assault riffle that you can dual wield, colts game just finished bye

  • 09.21.2009 8:33 PM PDT

Posted by: XxFLAWxLESSxX
I agree. Gameplay around one weapon is dull and pointless.

Why is it that I play Halo more over Call of Duty? Well in CoD, what difference is there between weapons? They practically do the same things! But Bungie is an awesome developer, and actually creates interesting things.

I don't care about using one weapon the entire time. Hell, I pick up SMG's and Spikers! I like Halo because of the dynamic gameplay. And using the BR 24/7 isn't dynamic.


I agree that the BR being too universal is a problem. However, it's not the power of the weapon that's the problem, but the absolute lack of any diversity in weapon choice in the mid range. That makes the BR seem overpowering because if you don't have a BR, you will lose 99% of your mid-range battles. In Halo Reach, there should be a bunch of different weapon choices. Add the Halo 2 trailer BR that fires one shot at a time but keep the current BR. Bring back the Halo 1 pistol alongside the current weapons. Maybe make the AR slightly weaker but more accurate. Just add diversity to the mid-range game.

Also, I agree with whoever said that beatdowns only became nooby once halo 3 made them OP. A melee should not do as much damage as a sniper bullet or a grenade.

Overall, I think that the combination between the broken close range combat and the lack of diversity in any other range causes halo to be a very one-dimensional game. I'm all for the BR, and I dearly hope that they keep it in reach, but when there's nothing but BR, it becomes a bit stale

  • 09.21.2009 8:36 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: dreaml3oss
Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
I do keep the BR if I get it because it is the best overall weapon in the game. But I actually drop my AR for ANYTHING, Mauler, Plasma Rifle, Spiker, WHATEVER. I do it.

Oh and for me, the BR, and Carbine are interchangeable. Heck, I even don't bother to pick up the BR sometimes if I already have Dual Magnums, because they kill faster.


no human weapon is exactely like its alien couter part, the carbines is actually more powerful then the br but alot harder to aim because it doesnt have spread. even is you miss slightly with the br you may still a bullet or two.

ever think that people dont use all those other weapons because they get you killed, theyre bad and we dont need thirty -blam!- versions of the assault riffle that you can dual wield, colts game just finished bye

They are actually better than the AR. Just single wielding an SMG or Spiker can kill faster if you can aim it. The Plasma Rifle drains shields ALOT faster and can assist a BR in killing EVEN FASTER than it already does. (And in Halo CE It was REALLY powerful with Headshots). They are better weapons than the AR, but they get ignored because players can't use them right. (When I open up with a Plasma Rifle, switch to a Carbine, or BR, and clean them off before their 3rd BR shot hits, I feel the power the PR really does have.)

They all also have their own unique purpose. The SMG has a high rate of fire, and a high bullet clip, with a lower overall damage per bullet. It is easy to aim, and more effective bursting at range than an AR. The Spiker is great at closer ranges, when you can actually land decent headshots. And has the highest Damage per bullet of any Fully Auto weapon. The Plasma Rifle is the most unique, it drains shields in 4 quick shots. And if your dualing with a Magnum, or switching to a BR, it is a VERY fast and effective kill. People just don't use these weapons right is all.

[Edited on 09.21.2009 8:48 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2009 8:45 PM PDT
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I think the BR would be cool if they made it like the version they showed in the Halo: Combat Evolved disk. It was more powerful, but single shot. I like the idea for it being different would be because it's a prototype. Also if you've read the books, theSpartans gon't get the BR until they go into hiding inside of the tunnels within reach. They find prototypes of new weapons such as the BR, the magnum, and some new MLJOINER armor. I think it'd make sense.

  • 09.21.2009 8:48 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: Makaidos 2
I think the BR would be cool if they made it like the version they showed in the Halo: Combat Evolved disk. It was more powerful, but single shot. I like the idea for it being different would be because it's a prototype. Also if you've read the books, theSpartans gon't get the BR until they go into hiding inside of the tunnels within reach. They find prototypes of new weapons such as the BR, the magnum, and some new MLJOINER armor. I think it'd make sense.

Except as we have said before, this would just mean there are 2 Carbines.

  • 09.21.2009 8:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: Makaidos 2
I think the BR would be cool if they made it like the version they showed in the Halo: Combat Evolved disk. It was more powerful, but single shot. I like the idea for it being different would be because it's a prototype. Also if you've read the books, theSpartans gon't get the BR until they go into hiding inside of the tunnels within reach. They find prototypes of new weapons such as the BR, the magnum, and some new MLJOINER armor. I think it'd make sense.

Except as we have said before, this would just mean there are 2 Carbines.


Well I don't see how that would be any different than having Spiker, SMG, AR and to a lesser extent plasma rifle. The BR could have a different fire rate and kill in a different amount of shots, as well as having to lead your shots more or less. There, a different gun

  • 09.21.2009 8:58 PM PDT

ISU Cyclones!

If it stayed similar to how it is in Halo 3 then I would want its power to go down to a perfect 5 or 6 shot would kill someone. Then power down the melee a bit to about 2/3rds of its current power.

This is all assuming of course that Bungie keeps it extremely similar to its current form in Halo 3. They could just scrap a bunch of things and start from relative scratch in the weapons department.

  • 09.21.2009 9:01 PM PDT

The less than a second latency of online play is a better system to play off of than more health.

You realize this system is just as host based, right? because if you're fighting host, or someone with a better connection to host, and you each start firing at the same time, his BULLETS will register first, giving him slightly more health if the melees happen at the same time.

So would you rather have the BS of both, or just one?

-HaVOk1228

The keeping/killing of the BR (for me at least) is less a matter of the BR's own merits and rather those of the weapons that surround it. In both halo 2 and 3 the BR has always felt like the "Big Bully" of the halo experience. In campaign you can just hang back and plop off chance head shots/ deal decent damage to shielded foes all day long. In multiplayer it is capable both afar and oddly just as effective up close.

While this is how a "real gun" should be as some point out, it doesn't change the fact that much of the remaining arsenal is left drastically out-ranged and generally underpowered (compare the damage potential of a single mag of BR to most other weapons).
I would personally like to see either the less desirable weapons amped up to match the BR (in both range and potency (start giving out some head damage)) or simply see the BR toned down to match the sad reality the other weapons face.

I lean more heavily to the "make every weapon worthwhile" side of that but given the results of the 3 existing (and 4th if you are out there buying it this morning) halo games I don't see that happening. But who knows, an all new game is an all new game, and I've yet to play what has been tweaked in ODST (which has ditched the BR in favor of emphasizing the rest of the arsenal).

  • 09.21.2009 9:21 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: MrPinke7103
The keeping/killing of the BR (for me at least) is less a matter of the BR's own merits and rather those of the weapons that surround it. In both halo 2 and 3 the BR has always felt like the "Big Bully" of the halo experience. In campaign you can just hang back and plop off chance head shots/ deal decent damage to shielded foes all day long. In multiplayer it is capable both afar and oddly just as effective up close.

While this is how a "real gun" should be as some point out, it doesn't change the fact that much of the remaining arsenal is left drastically out-ranged and generally underpowered (compare the damage potential of a single mag of BR to most other weapons).
I would personally like to see either the less desirable weapons amped up to match the BR (in both range and potency (start giving out some head damage)) or simply see the BR toned down to match the sad reality the other weapons face.

I lean more heavily to the "make every weapon worthwhile" side of that but given the results of the 3 existing (and 4th if you are out there buying it this morning) halo games I don't see that happening. But who knows, an all new game is an all new game, and I've yet to play what has been tweaked in ODST (which has ditched the BR in favor of emphasizing the rest of the arsenal).

ODST loses multiplayer though, so none of the ODST weapon tweaks matter.

  • 09.21.2009 9:23 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: dreaml3oss
Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
I do keep the BR if I get it because it is the best overall weapon in the game. But I actually drop my AR for ANYTHING, Mauler, Plasma Rifle, Spiker, WHATEVER. I do it.

Oh and for me, the BR, and Carbine are interchangeable. Heck, I even don't bother to pick up the BR sometimes if I already have Dual Magnums, because they kill faster.


no human weapon is exactely like its alien couter part, the carbines is actually more powerful then the br but alot harder to aim because it doesnt have spread. even is you miss slightly with the br you may still a bullet or two.

ever think that people dont use all those other weapons because they get you killed, theyre bad and we dont need thirty -blam!- versions of the assault riffle that you can dual wield, colts game just finished bye

They are actually better than the AR. Just single wielding an SMG or Spiker can kill faster if you can aim it. The Plasma Rifle drains shields ALOT faster and can assist a BR in killing EVEN FASTER than it already does. (And in Halo CE It was REALLY powerful with Headshots). They are better weapons than the AR, but they get ignored because players can't use them right. (When I open up with a Plasma Rifle, switch to a Carbine, or BR, and clean them off before their 3rd BR shot hits, I feel the power the PR really does have.)

They all also have their own unique purpose. The SMG has a high rate of fire, and a high bullet clip, with a lower overall damage per bullet. It is easy to aim, and more effective bursting at range than an AR. The Spiker is great at closer ranges, when you can actually land decent headshots. And has the highest Damage per bullet of any Fully Auto weapon. The Plasma Rifle is the most unique, it drains shields in 4 quick shots. And if your dualing with a Magnum, or switching to a BR, it is a VERY fast and effective kill. People just don't use these weapons right is all.


You are exactly right. The use and purposes of all the other weapons are shadowed out by the BR's universal usage. While I am not saying a well-rounded weapon is bad, I am saying that it should not be well-rounded in the sense of being the only thing in use and not out-competing most other weapons.

[Edited on 09.22.2009 11:41 AM PDT]

  • 09.22.2009 11:37 AM PDT

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