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Posted by: holypintobean
I must say TheEasy1JM I tip my hat to you for having the bravery , or foolishness whichever, to post such a topic here. What with all the "Call a whambulance" [very original btw], "YOU TROLL!", and "Nobody gives two craps what you think". A very admirable move, in a biased forum of course.
Most of your arguments are well thought out and all of them have no contradiction towards each other, and I agree with you that ODST was not worth $60. I can honestly say I would not pay full price for only one feature of any game not even GOW2 Horde which I still have fun in to this day. The claims of buying ODST soley for FireFight, better be a complete exaggeration to get a point across. The maps included are a great plus, but get this, only for newcomers.
Look it's very simple to understand what has happend here, those who are stuck on the bungie train pay as much attention as your brain washed mind permits. Ok so Bungie released the Legendary map pack, besides ruining one of the best maps of CE, it was alright. Here's the tricky part though they made it required to get the full experience of multiplayer. Ok so they cornered a lot of people into buying that DLC, as if that wasn't a dirty enough buisness scheme, they release the Mythic MP. Looks like the CEO of Microsoft will get that island after all, he just needs to make this MP required as well. So now you need to also buy a MP with a map [Sandbox] that looks like it was designed by second graders. And to put the icing on the crap cake they release ODST with the same maps you just spent $20+ on and Halo averaging $30-$60 on, now you have to buy a "completely new game" for 60 more dollars , true halo fans have just spent $140 plus $20 more dollars for future DLC and don't forget the Heroic MP that many inpatient fans spent on. So let's see $170 worst case for those true Halo fanboys and for reasons not known to man, they feel like the price is just? Might as well start wearing tight purple pants and leather jackets and go buy the complete Guitar Hero set. This can be completely overlooked if you're new to Halo though.
Let's just face facts, no matter what intellectual level a person is on, they could never convince the people on this forum that they got one pulled over on them, even on a big time scale like this. Heck I wouldn't be suprised if Bungie killed all their parents, burned there homes down, beat them senseless, and smashed their hopes and dreams only to be awarded for presistant "effort" to bring them down. I do believe these people think it's a real good game, but because of what bungie has done to these people. Bungie's popularity is so big that it makes people believe it's a good game, like mind tricks. When really it's just about or not more than subpar.
Now about the actual gameplay of this game. The drastic change from a run and gun game to a more strategic type was very risky and took some getting used to but for the most part worked out. As for FF nothing new there but as much as it has been used in many games it's always a fun addition, and in ODST this was no exception. I feel that they were trying to get past the oversaturated colors from halo 3 so much so that some parts were close to unplayable withouth the night vision, they could have simply toned the colors down a bit. Also the lack of not being able to dual wield is almost as ridiculous as not having guns with flashlights in doom 3. These ODST can walk faster than the Chief with the detachable weapons but somehow can not endure the strength to pick up two pistols? Also I know this game is its own "entity" due to the standards of full games and expansions, but in heart it's an expansion, so shouldn't expansions add more content in game. I mean two new useless weapons? oh yes and the addition, moreover subtraction, of no dual wielding and being an ODST. To conclude the gameplay, I do respect Bungie on making the game harder to beat than previous titles however.
Overall this is a repackaged Halo 3 with some modifications. For those who haven't tried ODST but have played H3 let's put it like this: Pretend it's halo 3 but, you die easier, it's less colorful, if you run and gun you're dead (even in normal), and you are not a super soldier, the rest remains the same. What can I say about ODST? Well I don't think this game is horrible, at most it's a good game at worst a disappointment. I did not have any expectations for this game I just wanted to play it and see how it was now I know. Now what do I think of ODST price wise? Well for the hardships all the Halo fans have gone through It's complete and utter bull crap and a ripoff. Those new to Halo it's a very good welcome and is worth close to every dime. But truthfully there's not many new people coming into the Halo experience. The funny thing about my post is that I really do feel for the Halo community for spending so much money on a single part of this franchise, only to be frowned upon and flamed. I like Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, heck even parts of ODST are enjoyable (Halo Wars was not to my likings, I'm a PC RTS'er), but I'm not in a state where I can't think for myself and see when I am getting ripped off. If you can't get over Halo and have been turned into a zombie I am sorry for wasting your time and I hope you enjoy ODST until Reach. But if there is still even a hint of sanity inside of anyone in this forum, please heed my words and notice a hoodwink when you see one. I'm not trying to get you guys to have an empiphany and demand a refund or not buy the game, I simply ask of you to notice the pure dog s**t Bungie or Microsoft (whoever the culprit) is making you go through. Excuse my French but it is more than necessary.
I would like to close my opinion with two things. One- for those few of you who think this is the best game ever (even best game of the franchise), I am sorry that you grew up or never experienced any other games, I truly am. There should be a donation program to give you guys money to buy a wider variety of games, that or you're also brainwashed and sorry for wasting your time once again. And two- for those of you less mature, sorry I mean "witty", that will say something along the lines of "who gives a crap about what you think" or "go cry somewhere else you cry baby, whiner, troll, ect.". I'm entitled to my opinion and so are you and any negative opinions are worthless to me, IMO of course
Thank you for reading my novel for those intelligent enough to get even 1/3 through
I love you.
*Stands up and claps*
(Finally a good challenge)
I never thought that the Bungie community had such balls to do this. I'm glad there's still some of us left. Obviously I completely and utterly disagree with this so called "novel" but it doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion and I don't see your points to be valid. I'm just going to say that it's worth the money to some people. Now a spoiled teen like myself obviously doesn't care about the price of games that much anymore. On the other hand, my friends, who are not the wealthiest in the pack, have been explaining to me how it's been getting harder and harder to achieve such games as ODST, Left 4 Dead 2 and COD 6 and I listen to them. They explain to me that they think the prices for these games are ridiculous and if this keeps going on, eventually games for NATAL will be $100+. That's like buying an N64 about a year after release! I totally understand that it's getting hard to keep buying these games but really, it's up to the consumer if it's worth it or not. I'm not really even much of a saver. At the moment I've got $0 in my wallet. That's because I spent the last bit of it on an iTunes gift card to get the ODST Soundtrack (Which is $20 so I have to go get another card, but it'll be worth it).
Now don't take this in any offense but ODST is honestly, IMO (as you say), the best game of 2009! Now if BioShock 2 came out on the original date, that would without a doubt be the best game of '09. Anyhow, ODST's whole plot may be short and sweet but you can't look me straight in the eyes with a straight face saying that ODST has no replay value. You just can't. Not to mention Firefight. Now for the three maps, yes, I agree, that's a little upsetting that they included 3 extra maps and just took the source of the whole Multiplayer portion of Halo 3, remodeled some UI enhancements for the menu and called it a whole new Multiplayer experience. I agree, now that you've brought it to my attention, I must say that the whole tally of everything related to Halo 3 that I've bought has kinda made me weep a bit inside. The thought that I bought the Halo 3 Collectors Edition (75), Heroic, Legendary, Mythic (30) and ODST Collectors Edition (100), which is $205 worth of 130 dollars of addons and about 60 of which were wasted (I mean the 3 map packs and the multiplayer portion of ODST) kinda upsets me and wants me to kill MSFT (who is the culprit of this mess) even more. Honestly, Bungie is the little puppy dog with the tail between it's legs. MSFT is the big bad 10 yr old who likes to boss that puppy around for it's own benefit.
Anyhow, yes, I agree with some parts that ODST's pricing was above what it needed to be, but at the same time I disagree. I like to believe that Halo 3's whole Multiplayer experience was packed into ODST as an extra (which is what Sketch said on the ODST Pre-Launch episode of Gametrailers). Honestly it is. (I use this example a lot but it works) For example, BioShock. IMO, best game ever developed. Guess what BioShock has. Singleplayer. Anything else? Nope, just singleplayer with about 9 or 10 levels. How much was it worth? $60 with LE pricing at $100. What comes with ODST? Single-Player, Firefight, Theater, Extras, and the whole Multiplayer experience. Really, nobody complained one bit when BioShock came out.