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Posted by: TheEasy1JM
Just bought my pre-ordered copy of ODST tonight. Picked it up at 12:22 am and quickly drove it home to play. Already had friends lined up to do 4 player co-op. $60.00 for 3 new multiplayer maps that will be free in another 2 months, and a 5 hour campaign... That doesn't sound good I thought, but then this is Halo and we have all of the previous titles and loved each one. That list includes Halo Wars... Therefore I thought that this one has to be good. Long story short, the 4 of us all agreed that this is a terrible game which is chock full of shortcuts and unpolished hogwash. I plan to take my copy back to the store when it opens for my money back! Bungie - This is not worth $60.00 - not even close. This is a crappy game and that is coming from a Halo-fanboy. You guys lost a customer tonight. I won't buy another one of your titles. I am extremely disappointed by this game.

TLDR; I think 60$ is srrz buizness.

  • 09.27.2009 6:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Instantkill1112
TheEasy1JM is right, this game does suck. First of all they made us buy these map packs and then only to add them on in this game, I want its own multiplayer that is not just halo 3. The campaign is easy I beat it on Legendary in about 4 hours I didn't bother to play anything less and the campaign was boring and repetetive. If you are ODST why do you only drop once. Firefight is horrible play Gears of War or COD5 not this. Also, who cares about the option to get recon its not special. Everyone will have it and it won't matter.


1: That is your opinion, not a fact.

2: Who made you buy the DLC for Halo 3? Certainly not Microsoft or Bungie. It was completely optional.

3: Good for you beating it on legendary in 4 hours. You missed a bunch of good storyline and didnt pay attention to the storyline you actually went through.

  • 09.27.2009 6:16 PM PDT
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Yea I agree I did not like Halo ODST at all. I went to the midnight release, and played the campaign from 1am-530am then got ready for school. I was really excited to get to come home and play out the "New Multiplayer", but was pissed when I figured out that I put in the right game. It was seriously a waste of money. If you read on the front it says "New Multiplayer". Sure the firefight maybe multiplayer but I do think that it was a waste of money. Sure wish i would get my money back. And friends have been asking me if the game is good and I say "no its a waste. Dont spend your money on it."

  • 09.27.2009 6:26 PM PDT

Posted by: VautlingFrog
2: Who made you buy the DLC for Halo 3? Certainly not Microsoft or Bungie. It was completely optional.


Gotta be honest, but have you looked at the matchmaking menu? The only thing that doesn't require any of the maps is Social Slayer IIRC. That is pretty damn close to forcing me to buy it

  • 09.27.2009 6:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: elitehunter34
Posted by: VautlingFrog
2: Who made you buy the DLC for Halo 3? Certainly not Microsoft or Bungie. It was completely optional.


Gotta be honest, but have you looked at the matchmaking menu? The only thing that doesn't require any of the maps is Social Slayer IIRC. That is pretty damn close to forcing me to buy it


I didnt buy a bloody thing for DLC. It was a completely optional experience. If you didnt want to spend the money you didnt have to.

There always is another choice, it just comes with a different set of restrictions.

For me, I dont play online so buying that stuff was not something I needed to do.

Play in LAN parties, have groups of friends over and play a few 4 player matchs. Basicly the same experience but with out the annoying people who trash talk and t-bag.

The choices are there, you people just took a different one.

  • 09.27.2009 6:31 PM PDT

Posted by: VautlingFrog
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Posted by: VautlingFrog
2: Who made you buy the DLC for Halo 3? Certainly not Microsoft or Bungie. It was completely optional.


Gotta be honest, but have you looked at the matchmaking menu? The only thing that doesn't require any of the maps is Social Slayer IIRC. That is pretty damn close to forcing me to buy it


I didnt buy a bloody thing for DLC. It was a completely optional experience. If you didnt want to spend the money you didnt have to.

There always is another choice, it just comes with a different set of restrictions.

For me, I dont play online so buying that stuff was not something I needed to do.

Play in LAN parties, have groups of friends over and play a few 4 player matchs. Basicly the same experience but with out the annoying people who trash talk and t-bag.

The choices are there, you people just took a different one.

Yeah its optional, but did you even read what I said? Nearly every matchmaking mode requires you to have the extra maps. That "its optional" argument is complete and utter bull-blam!-. Its like saying, "here have a free tv, but you have to pay extra to watch it" MM is pointless unless you have the maps. Don't even bring up LAN parties or whatever, I'm not talking about that, Im talking about MM. I guess it doesn't matter to you, but it matters to the millions of people that play online.

If Microsoft is not willing to let developers release extra content for free (which they should), there is a simple solution that will make everyone happy. Rather than restricting those that don't have the maps by limiting the gametypes you can play (like halo and cod waw), every developer should just redesign the matchmaking system. If you have any sort of dl maps, the system will match you to people with the maps. If you don't have the new maps, it will match you with people that also don't have the maps. Problem solved

BTW I do think ODST is a good game. I would probably give it an 8.0, mostly because of firefight. ODST is not worth $60, it's an expansion pack. I'd say its worth $30-40. I would probably give it a 9 if it cost less.

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  • 09.27.2009 6:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: elitehunter34
Yeah its optional, but did you even read what I said? Nearly every matchmaking mode requires you to have the extra maps. That "its optional" argument is complete and utter bull-blam!-. Its like saying, "here have a free tv, but you have to pay extra to watch it" MM is pointless unless you have the maps. Don't even bring up LAN parties or whatever, I'm not talking about that, Im talking about MM. I guess it doesn't matter to you, but it matters to the millions of people that play online.

If Microsoft is not willing to let developers release extra content for free (which they should), there is a simple solution that will make everyone happy. Rather than restricting those that don't have the maps by limiting the gametypes you can play (like halo and cod waw), every developer should just redesign the matchmaking system. If you have any sort of dl maps, the system will match you to people with the maps. If you don't have the new maps, it will match you with people that also don't have the maps. Problem solved

BTW I do think ODST is a good game. I would probably give it an 8.0, mostly because of firefight. ODST is not worth $60, it's an expansion pack. I'd say its worth $30-40. I would probably give it a 9 if it cost less.


Why do you keep assuming that everybody is required to play online or in MM?

I certainly dont and have presented several options as to what you can do instead of doing MM.

If you dont want to do those options thats too bad.

It still is a personal choice of the player. If you dont understand that then I dont know how I can show it to you.

No company forces you to buy their product. Even food companies are unable to do this. It is a choice of the consumer. If you dont want that product you dont have to get it. Simple as that.

Its what it all boils down to.

And I know your not saying that ODST is a bad game. However many people have been saying it is, even when informed in advance of the release of what each disk will contain.

It is the buyers problem, not the companies.

There has also been suggestions saying that since most people dont bother with the Halo 3 campaign anymore (almost anybody on here is like that it seems) that you can just trade in your copy of Halo 3 and keep the multiplayer disk from ODST. You still keep your online experience and at the same time your cost is now reduced to around $45 - $50 (depending on where you sell it). Or you could sell it online and get even more money from it.

There are solutions to peoples issues, they just dont look at them. Instead they complain about a perfectly good game at a reasonable price for what you get.

  • 09.27.2009 7:03 PM PDT

There once was an ugly barnacle. He was so ugly that everyone died.

The end.

SCFH

No need to tell us that you dislike Halo 3: ODST. Sadly, no one cares.

  • 09.27.2009 7:06 PM PDT

Yes Im a gamer... I have been on X-box LIVE gamer for 3-4 years, so yeah I do play a ton of video games. Im and Artist, gamer, writer (sorta) and I make videos with my friends. I can be a hardcore gamer and a casual gamer, depending on the game. I play Halo 3, Battlefeild Bad Company 2, The Godfather 2. So yeah...

P.S. I don't accept random friend requests for those new to X-box LIVE or just really social.

Its got several additions to it that make it worth it. If you havent played it enough you havent done everything. Stop whining and enjoy it!!!

  • 09.27.2009 7:10 PM PDT

The name's SXcalibur, but to you, it's Daddy.

This topic is actually very funny, because ODST is my favorite Halo game out of the series, maybe even my favorite game period. For me, it's now ODST>Halo CE>Halo 2>Halo 3. I love Firefight and the Campaign. I have only used the Mythic disk to obtain the Brainpan achievement. If you don't like it, tough cookies, go play Halo 3 matchmaking again and get over it.

  • 09.27.2009 7:20 PM PDT

Without me, it's just "Aweso".

Live and learn I guess. In your case, you've learned not to buy a game that you knew all about beforehand, yet still bought it, even though (From your statements) the details released before the game shipped should have been enough to convince you that the game wasn't for you.

I enjoy the game myself.

  • 09.27.2009 7:23 PM PDT

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I wouldn't go as far as terrible to be honest. This game was definitely better than Halo 2 or Halo Wars, which were huge disappointments to me. You never mentioned firefight, which is by far the most addictive and best part of Halo 3: ODST. This game also has a lot of achievements that can easily boost your gamerscore such as beating the campaign on normal for a very generous 150 gamerscore.

  • 09.27.2009 7:24 PM PDT
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I see you included nothing about firefight, recon, or the halo reach beta. I must admit this game is a bit of a turn in direction from other halo games, but the halo series was due for one. Another thing, you probabily say you don't like simply because of the length of the campaign, which is not a fault because the campaign offers such diversity. I think i've made my point.

  • 09.27.2009 7:24 PM PDT

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Also, you knew exactly what you were getting. Bungie was very blunt witht he information. No matchmaking, only a 4-6 hour campaign, firefight, and three new maps for Halo 3. They even said it would be $60.

  • 09.27.2009 7:26 PM PDT

Posted by: VautlingFrog
Why do you keep assuming that everybody is required to play online or in MM?

I certainly dont and have presented several options as to what you can do instead of doing MM.

If you dont want to do those options thats too bad.

It still is a personal choice of the player. If you dont understand that then I dont know how I can show it to you.

No company forces you to buy their product. Even food companies are unable to do this. It is a choice of the consumer. If you dont want that product you dont have to get it. Simple as that.

Its what it all boils down to.

And I know your not saying that ODST is a bad game. However many people have been saying it is, even when informed in advance of the release of what each disk will contain.

It is the buyers problem, not the companies.

There are solutions to peoples issues, they just dont look at them. Instead they complain about a perfectly good game at a reasonable price for what you get.

Dammit, thats not my point. I KNOW that matchmaking is optional, but does that give them the right to restrict my options? Why do we need to conform to the company, when they can easily fix it(matchmaking and ODST's price)? I know what you're gonna say "then don't play it" But whats that gonna do? The company sure as hell is not gonna care about one person and it's just gonna prevent me from having fun. I still want to play the game, so I have to fork over the cash and deal with the things I don't like. As much as I like ODST and h3's matchmaking, they do a lot of things that piss me off, such as the unfair pricing of ODST and basically forcing me to pay for the maps if I want to play matchmaking.

I'm saying this because it's my opinion and I have a right to say it, and I hope that maybe, just maybe I'll convince others and one day companies will start listening to us and stop ripping us off.

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Posted by: urk
The hogwash was totally by design. Let's try to keep it civil folks. Not everybody's gonna like the game. And while we recognize that such opinions are in fact, terrible, we should let them desperately cling to them without getting all rude and angry about it.

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This guy is saying Halo 3: ODST is terrible in a Halo 3: ODST forum. Of course this guy is gonna get flamed.

  • 09.27.2009 7:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: elitehunter34
Dammit, thats not my point. I KNOW that matchmaking is optional, but does that give them the right to restrict my options? Why do we need to conform to the company, when they can easily fix it(matchmaking and ODST's price)? I know what you're gonna say "then don't play it" But whats that gonna do? The company sure as hell is not gonna care about one person and it's just gonna prevent me from having fun. I still want to play the game, so I have to fork over the cash and deal with the things I don't like. As much as I like ODST and h3's matchmaking, they do a lot of things that piss me off, such as the unfair pricing of ODST and basically forcing me to pay for the maps if I want to play matchmaking.

I'm saying this because it's my opinion and I have a right to say it, and I hope that maybe, just maybe I'll convince others and one day companies will start listening to us and stop ripping us off.


How are they restricting your options? They created a product the way they intended it to be. Either you buy into it or you dont.

If you dont want to follow the constraints of the MM product then just dont play it. Do what I do and play 4 player games off of a single 360. You dont need MM for that. Heck I think you can even do 4 360s hooked up together on your LAN and play a 16 player game (havent tried it but I could).

There are options out there. All you have done at this point is complain about a product that Microsoft has come up with. They do not force you to use it.

Your restricting yourself to using it and not looking for other options. That is unfortunate.

As for pricing it is absolutely fair. They are giving you all the DLC for Halo 3 multiplayer as well as an entire new game. The total cost of the DLC is what $30 - $40 straight up? That means your paying only $20 - $30 for a whole new game. A pretty good deal if you as me.

If it is that big of a deal then suggest that ODST be avaible for purchase with out the Halo 3 multiplayer experience. If Microsoft decides to do that then you will see a much lower cost for the game.

As for being ripped off, I dont think anybody has been ripped off. You all made choices that lead you to where your at. If your not happy about it then do something, sell your game. Dont purchase any more DLC. Or as you so wonderfully put it "don't play it".

Really simple choices people. Just look at them instead of flailing around like a kid throwing a fit. You choices are your own, not Microsofts. You have only yourself to blame if your unhappy with your purchase (unless its a technical problem).

  • 09.27.2009 7:43 PM PDT

I agree, ODST is crap. I'm taking it back myself and won't be buying Reach. Halo should have ended with Halo 3.

  • 09.27.2009 8:12 PM PDT

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Its good, Halo 3 is much better.

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it is a over price hold over for REACH.
it was going to bo DLC but put a dumb campaign on it and you got ODST

  • 09.27.2009 8:28 PM PDT
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"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci

OMG teh M$ made me bye teh mapz pakz!

It was optional. I was playing MM in the various non DLC modes before hand, and it was only because i had the moeny and points i decided to go on a marketplace spree.

MM without DLC is not impossible. Your argument is void.

  • 09.27.2009 8:30 PM PDT

Posted by: VautlingFrog
How are they restricting your options? They created a product the way they intended it to be. Either you buy into it or you dont.

If you dont want to follow the constraints of the MM product then just dont play it. Do what I do and play 4 player games off of a single 360. You dont need MM for that. Heck I think you can even do 4 360s hooked up together on your LAN and play a 16 player game (havent tried it but I could).

There are options out there. All you have done at this point is complain about a product that Microsoft has come up with. They do not force you to use it.

Your restricting yourself to using it and not looking for other options. That is unfortunate.

As for pricing it is absolutely fair. They are giving you all the DLC for Halo 3 multiplayer as well as an entire new game. The total cost of the DLC is what $30 - $40 straight up? That means your paying only $20 - $30 for a whole new game. A pretty good deal if you as me.

If it is that big of a deal then suggest that ODST be avaible for purchase with out the Halo 3 multiplayer experience. If Microsoft decides to do that then you will see a much lower cost for the game.

As for being ripped off, I dont think anybody has been ripped off. You all made choices that lead you to where your at. If your not happy about it then do something, sell your game. Dont purchase any more DLC. Or as you so wonderfully put it "don't play it".

Really simple choices people. Just look at them instead of flailing around like a kid throwing a fit. You choices are your own, not Microsofts. You have only yourself to blame if your unhappy with your purchase (unless its a technical problem).

Ok, I think I need to be more specific. Here's the problem: I like Halo ODST and h3s matchmaking, but I think that some aspects of it are bad/unfair. First I'll talk about h3s matchmaking.

First of all, please, please be realistic. The reason why we have xbl is because it is a lot easier to just play online anytime you want, then to set up a LAN party with 16 people. I and so do most people don't have the time and/or number of people to have LAN parties. So, we have matchmaking. The problem is with halo 3 is that they have released several maps at a cost of 10 dollars each, so if you bought all the maps you're spending an extra $30. As much as I wish MS would just let Bungie release the maps for free, they don't, so you're given the option to buy them. For some reason, Bungie has made nearly every playlist so that you HAVE to have the maps to play them. So, if I want to play mm(which gives h3 significantly more replay value and is something millions of people do), I am forced to buy the maps unless I want to play social slayer all day. So what I suggest is that h3 should set up the matchmaking system so that if you have the maps, it will match you with others with the maps, and if you don't, it will also match you with others that don't have the maps.

Now on to ODST

I do think that ODST's price is unfair because the only new things are firefight and a short campaign. They just repackage the multiplayer. Essentially it is an expansion pack, priced as a full game. How is it in any way not an expansion pack? It uses the same engine only slightly tweaked and identical multiplayer. If I didn't buy H3, then it would be a good deal, but since I did (and probably everyone else that has ODST) I am getting ripped off. Regardless of how good the game is, that does not give Microsoft the right to make the price unfair, but since I have no say in there pricing I have to fork over the cash because I still want the game. My not buying it would not solve anything.

That is my opinion.



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  • 09.27.2009 8:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheEasy1JM
Skillet, Skillet, Skillet..... How sad I feel for you. Completely involved in a game world, oblivious to the world around you, no real skills, incapable of being a productive member of society, complacent in your pathetic virtual half-baked life. I am an avid reader my friend. I am also an Author, and if I had submitted a half-baked idea such as the Halo ODST story to my publisher she would have thrown it in the trash faster than you can lick Bungie's boot after they kicked you in the face. Sorry I upset you. Now don't you think you should call mommy so that she can change your diaper?


Way to completely disregard any and all points he made in his post and resort to personal insults. Probably means you couldn't refute his points.

  • 09.27.2009 8:38 PM PDT

Posted by: ACAce23
OMG teh M$ made me bye teh mapz pakz!

It was optional. I was playing MM in the various non DLC modes before hand, and it was only because i had the moeny and points i decided to go on a marketplace spree.

MM without DLC is not impossible. Your argument is void.

Did I ever say that MM without DLC is impossible? No I didn't so my argument is still valid. I said that you're options are severely limited if you don't. Way to put words in my mouth.

  • 09.27.2009 8:38 PM PDT
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"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci

I got Halo 3, DLC and i don't feel ripped off....because its an awesome campaign, different gameplay (i don't think i ever tried sneaking around in H3), co op options, H3 MM with new maps.

To be "realistic" as you're putting it, H3 matchmaking is technically free or it comes as a small charge. If you listened to anything Bungie put out prior to release they stated that it ballooned out into a full game, hence full price.

You actually get alot of bang for your buck in ODST.

  • 09.27.2009 8:38 PM PDT