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  • 09.27.2009 8:39 PM PDT

lol, I've wasted 13 hours(my whole day) playing ODST. I enjoy it! I wasted 13 hours trying to get achievements, and I still have to get the vidmasters as well! The point is, ODST's re-playability factor is at an all time high. It is totally worth the 60 bucks.

  • 09.27.2009 8:41 PM PDT

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  • 09.27.2009 8:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: elitehunter34
Posted by: ACAce23
OMG teh M$ made me bye teh mapz pakz!

It was optional. I was playing MM in the various non DLC modes before hand, and it was only because i had the moeny and points i decided to go on a marketplace spree.

MM without DLC is not impossible. Your argument is void.

Did I ever say that MM without DLC is impossible? No I didn't so my argument is still valid. I said that you're options are severely limited if you don't. Way to put words in my mouth.


By the way your acting as though DLC is a must you indicate that it must be impossible, otherwise you wouldn't get all cut up over it

  • 09.27.2009 8:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: elitehunter34
Posted by: VautlingFrog
How are they restricting your options? They created a product the way they intended it to be. Either you buy into it or you dont.

If you dont want to follow the constraints of the MM product then just dont play it. Do what I do and play 4 player games off of a single 360. You dont need MM for that. Heck I think you can even do 4 360s hooked up together on your LAN and play a 16 player game (havent tried it but I could).

There are options out there. All you have done at this point is complain about a product that Microsoft has come up with. They do not force you to use it.

Your restricting yourself to using it and not looking for other options. That is unfortunate.

As for pricing it is absolutely fair. They are giving you all the DLC for Halo 3 multiplayer as well as an entire new game. The total cost of the DLC is what $30 - $40 straight up? That means your paying only $20 - $30 for a whole new game. A pretty good deal if you as me.

If it is that big of a deal then suggest that ODST be avaible for purchase with out the Halo 3 multiplayer experience. If Microsoft decides to do that then you will see a much lower cost for the game.

As for being ripped off, I dont think anybody has been ripped off. You all made choices that lead you to where your at. If your not happy about it then do something, sell your game. Dont purchase any more DLC. Or as you so wonderfully put it "don't play it".

Really simple choices people. Just look at them instead of flailing around like a kid throwing a fit. You choices are your own, not Microsofts. You have only yourself to blame if your unhappy with your purchase (unless its a technical problem).

Ok, I think I need to be more specific. Here's the problem: I like Halo ODST and h3s matchmaking, but I think that some aspects of it are bad/unfair. First I'll talk about h3s matchmaking.

First of all, please, please be realistic. The reason why we have xbl is because it is a lot easier to just play online anytime you want, then to set up a LAN party with 16 people. I and so do most people don't have the time and/or number of people to have LAN parties. So, we have matchmaking. The problem is with halo 3 is that they have released several maps at a cost of 10 dollars each, so if you bought all the maps you're spending an extra $30. As much as I wish MS would just let Bungie release the maps for free, they don't, so you're given the option to buy them. For some reason, Bungie has made nearly every playlist so that you HAVE to have the maps to play them. So, if I want to play mm(which gives h3 significantly more replay value and is something millions of people do), I am forced to buy the maps unless I want to play social slayer all day. So what I suggest is that h3 should set up the matchmaking system so that if you have the maps, it will match you with others with the maps, and if you don't, it will also match you with others that don't have the maps.

Now on to ODST

I do think that ODST's price is unfair because the only new things are firefight and a short campaign. They just repackage the multiplayer. Essentially it is an expansion pack, priced as a full game. How is it in any way not an expansion pack? It uses the same engine only slightly tweaked and identical multiplayer. If I didn't buy H3, then it would be a good deal, but since I did (and probably everyone else that has ODST) I am getting ripped off. Regardless of how good the game is, that does not give Microsoft the right to make the price unfair.

That is my opinion.



Ok sir, you needed a total of thirty dollars to get all the maps via DLC correct? Thats not hard money. Thirty dollars is easy to get. Stop drinking you starbucks, or smoking you cigarettes and you can get thirty dollars pretty easily.

The game is considered to be an expansion because it runs off of the Halo 3 engine. It's priced as a full game because it comes with Firefight, the new maps, chance for Recon, new campaign experience, and other benefits such as the Reach beta, and all the fun times you get from playing ODST.

Now if you have issues with the price, I'll try my best to help clarify. I'm no marketing genius, but this is based off of observation's I've seen from MS and their pricing.
Firefight: $10
Campaign: $10
Reach beta: $10
Recon: $7
New Maps: $10

That leaves us to $47. But even a twelve year old would agree with me when I say the remainder is to make a profit. No one Is going to spend money to create something, then not make a profit off of it, and consider it a job.

Be realistic. If you feel ripped off, go to gamestop and trade you game in.
Then, get a job and get your money back. Your the fool who spent your money in the first place.

  • 09.27.2009 8:46 PM PDT
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  • 09.27.2009 8:47 PM PDT

Posted by: ACAce23
Posted by: elitehunter34
Posted by: ACAce23
OMG teh M$ made me bye teh mapz pakz!

It was optional. I was playing MM in the various non DLC modes before hand, and it was only because i had the moeny and points i decided to go on a marketplace spree.

MM without DLC is not impossible. Your argument is void.

Did I ever say that MM without DLC is impossible? No I didn't so my argument is still valid. I said that you're options are severely limited if you don't. Way to put words in my mouth.


By the way your acting as though DLC is a must you indicate that it must be impossible, otherwise you wouldn't get all cut up over it

But that's not what I said, and that's the point. Don't assume things. Why do I need to say the same thing over and over to get my point across.

  • 09.27.2009 8:48 PM PDT

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How about you add something constructive to the thread or shut your pie-hole? Thank you for your comments.

  • 09.27.2009 8:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: elitehunter34
But that's not what I said, and that's the point. Don't assume things. Why do I need to say the same thing over and over to get my point across.


I can ask you the same thing. I have presented multiple options for the average gamer.

And as it has been said, it is more than possable to play MM with out any of the DLC.

It is all a personal choice as to weather or not you got the DLC. Nobody forced you to pay for it.

If Microsoft wanted its MM to be designed like that then oh well. Just like I have to live with how Ghost Recon is designed. I dont like it but I deal with it.

Perhaps it would be easier for people to get a 16 player LAN game going if you would actually invite people over rather than say "I will just see you online later today". Hang out once and a while.

And if you do then congratulations. I am proud of you.

And once again dealing with the prices:

The cost of getting all the DLC for Halo 3 is somewhere between $30 - $40 am I right?

Well you have an entire disk with all that on there. Right there you have $30 - $40 worth of content. That leaves $20 - $30 worth of new campaign. Not so unreasonable for the size of the campaign and firefight. Thus your expansion.

For what you get when you purchase ODST your paying a fair price.

Your arguement on the other hand is that you are basicly buying the DLC again for the same price. I can understand that frustration, but I will not go along with it. Your personal choices brought you to this point, not Microsoft and Bungie.

As I said earlier, why not write to Microsoft and see if they wont offer ODST and firefight by itself with out the Halo 3 mulitplayer disk. If they go with it then all the power to you. If they dont then sorry but your out of luck. They didnt do anything wrong.



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  • 09.27.2009 9:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan H90
Ok sir, you needed a total of thirty dollars to get all the maps via DLC correct? Thats not hard money. Thirty dollars is easy to get. Stop drinking you starbucks, or smoking you cigarettes and you can get thirty dollars pretty easily.

The game is considered to be an expansion because it runs off of the Halo 3 engine. It's priced as a full game because it comes with Firefight, the new maps, chance for Recon, new campaign experience, and other benefits such as the Reach beta, and all the fun times you get from playing ODST.

Now if you have issues with the price, I'll try my best to help clarify. I'm no marketing genius, but this is based off of observation's I've seen from MS and their pricing.
Firefight: $10
Campaign: $10
Reach beta: $10
Recon: $7
New Maps: $10

That leaves us to $47. But even a twelve year old would agree with me when I say the remainder is to make a profit. No one Is going to spend money to create something, then not make a profit off of it, and consider it a job.

Be realistic. If you feel ripped off, go to gamestop and trade you game in.
Then, get a job and get your money back. Your the fool who spent your money in the first place.

Has it ever occured to you that I said that me returning the game would not solve anything? I still like the game, but I think the price is unfair. I think that's the 3rd time I've said this.

Also, I just can't see how ODST is not an expansion pack. It has firefight and a short campaign and identical multiplayer. I say thats worth about $40

One more thing, does anyone else think that something is wrong with charging 1/6 of the price of the game for something that other developers release for free?

  • 09.27.2009 9:18 PM PDT
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"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci

I'm not assuming. I'm looking at your writing and recognizing that you simply can't comprehend playing MM without DLC, otherwise you wouldn't be whinging about it.

Also just be thankful that you are actually getting it rather cheap compared to other countries.

  • 09.27.2009 9:26 PM PDT

Posted by: VautlingFrog
Posted by: elitehunter34
But that's not what I said, and that's the point. Don't assume things. Why do I need to say the same thing over and over to get my point across.

And once again dealing with the prices:

The cost of getting all the DLC for Halo 3 is somewhere between $30 - $40 am I right?

Well you have an entire disk with all that on there. Right there you have $30 - $40 worth of content. That leaves $20 - $30 worth of new campaign. Not so unreasonable for the size of the campaign and firefight. Thus your expansion.

For what you get when you purchase ODST your paying a fair price.

Your arguement on the other hand is that you are basicly buying the DLC again for the same price. I can understand that frustration, but I will not go along with it. Your personal choices brought you to this point, not Microsoft and Bungie.

As I said earlier, why not write to Microsoft and see if they wont offer ODST and firefight by itself with out the Halo 3 mulitplayer disk. If they go with it then all the power to you. If they dont then sorry but your out of luck. They didnt do anything wrong.

Yes, but why should someone have to pay for the same multiplayer content twice? I am not blaming Microsoft for my decisions. I just think that the price is unfair. Simple as that. Don't put words in my mouth. A lot of people on these forums seems to do that.

And, do you seriously think that LAN parties are a practical alternative to MM?

  • 09.27.2009 9:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: elitehunter34
Has it ever occured to you that I said that me returning the game would not solve anything? I still like the game, but I think the price is unfair. I think that's the 3rd time I've said this.


Yes I get it. What you seem to miss out on is that the physical content of the two disks is worth $60.

Posted by: elitehunter34

Also, I just can't see how ODST is not an expansion pack. It has firefight and a short campaign and identical multiplayer. I say thats worth about $40


I see it as its own game. It doesnt really expand upon Halo 2 as it doesnt follow that storyline what so ever. And as for Halo 3, it just sets up some issues for that game.

By itself it presents a brand new scene for players to walk through. But it is also unattached to any of the previous games in terms of timeline. It covers a completely blank area.

Take for instance the expansion to C&C 3: Kanes Wrath. It expands upon the result of the end of the 3rd Tiberium War. The actions of the initial game C&C 3 directly affect the expansion. Unlike ODST.

Fallout 3 has the same type of deal. Each of its DLC is affected by choices made from the original game.

Mass Effect's DLC is also the same as Fallout 3. It is directly affected by the original game (though to an even larger degree).

Point being, the actions that take place in Halo 2 and Halo 3 have no influence what so ever on ODST. The only time they collide is when Regret's carrier jumps out, but even then the storyline has already steered the player away from even dealing with that vessel.

Posted by: elitehunter34

One more thing, does anyone else think that something is wrong with charging 1/6 of the price of the game for something that other developers release for free?


Depends on the developers goal. If they are going after profit then I dont see anything wrong with it. They dont make you buy it.

If its free the awsome. If not oh well it depends on how badly you want it.

  • 09.27.2009 9:32 PM PDT

Keep BUNGLE away from matchmaking, away from these forums, and overall away from this game.

Posted by: Axelord FTW
You best be trolling.
Or have down syndrome, either way.

For 60$, you get a game, a shatload of maps for free, some not even available otherwise. A new campaign. Firefight. The opportunity to unlock Recon. A free pass to the Reach Beta when its done.

And more.

Stop your whining.


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  • 09.27.2009 9:32 PM PDT

If you say you don't like ODST...you are DEFINITELY down with the syndrome

  • 09.27.2009 9:33 PM PDT

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  • 09.27.2009 9:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Loaja343
You have said nothing about Firefight, which is the best part of the game...

Then you paid $60 for firefight?

  • 09.27.2009 9:35 PM PDT

Posted by: ACAce23
I'm not assuming. I'm looking at your writing and recognizing that you simply can't comprehend playing MM without DLC, otherwise you wouldn't be whinging about it.

Yes you are and I'm gonna say this again. I SAID THAT MM IS SEVERELY LIMITED IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MAPS. Look at the playlists, nearly every one of them requires you to have the maps in the first place to even play them. If that's not limiting my choices I don't know what is. I don't have the maps for Cod4 and yet I can still play every game type. Bungie should do the same.

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  • 09.27.2009 9:36 PM PDT

I think the way MS runs things is all messed up. The idea of putting exclusive content into games to force people to buy it is nothing new. MS seems to have mastered this with Halo and it multiple tie-ins. But I really think there is a big problem with DLC pricing, distribution, and implementation across a variety of games on XBL. There needs to be a better way to get it into the hands of more players or make it so it doesn't alter the experience of players that don't have it.

Kind of off topic but I recently downloaded a game from the marketplace that was incorrectly advertised. It said in the description that it had co-op but that feature was never even in the game. People that I called (quite a few) kept saying that just because I thought the game had co-op I shouldn't get a refund. It was horrible to deal with them and they have since corrected the game info in the marketplace, but never replied to me.

[Edited on 09.27.2009 9:38 PM PDT]

  • 09.27.2009 9:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: elitehunter34
Yes, but why should someone have to pay for the same multiplayer content twice? I am not blaming Microsoft for my decisions. I just think that the price is unfair. Simple as that. Don't put words in my mouth. A lot of people on these forums seems to do that.

And, do you seriously think that LAN parties are a practical alternative to MM?


That is a choice you have to make. They decided to make sure that everybody who is playing Halo online gets the DLC. This is a good way of doing it.

As I said twice before, contact Microsoft and see if they wont release ODST with out the Halo 3 multiplayer disk. Perhaps they are already thinking of doing that.

Either way you were informed of what you were purchasing well in advanced. You knew how much the DLC cost you the first time (the term "you" is refering to everybody with this issue, not just you personally). It was in your judgement that it would be worth it to pay it again. If your investment is not what you wanted then get rid of it.

Otherwise all you can do is suck it up and deal with the consequences of your actions. Unfortunate but not unexpected.

I do appologise however for not making myself clearer. I was not trying to single you out individually. The term "you" in my earlier post just fit better than "player".

And yes I do think a LAN is a practical option when compaired to MM. But then again I dont spend 1/4 of my day playing video games.

I actually get out and hang out with my friends. Play some football, baseball, go to movies, have dinner...ect. Thats the point of having friends, is to actually hang out with them.

  • 09.27.2009 9:40 PM PDT

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Not all those who wander are lost,
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Posted by: SatansReverence
Message to everyone in this thread.

The op is simply having a cry over the fact that he really sucks at the game (and all games too probably).

I had a blast with the campaign and the only bad part was the warthog run at the end (quite frustrating on legendary) but other then that it was very intense.


Agreed! That was really annoying, especially since you had to cover Virgil. Loved the rest of it though so I still had a really good time.

  • 09.27.2009 9:43 PM PDT

Posted by: VautlingFrog
Yes I get it. What you seem to miss out on is that the physical content of the two disks is worth $60.

Only if you did not already buy h3. Those that did buy the maps before should be at least partially reimbursed.

  • 09.27.2009 9:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: elitehunter34
Only if you did not already buy h3. Those that did buy the maps before should be at least partially reimbursed.


Again that data is worth a total of $60. I dont care if you got the DLC prior to ODST. The data on the two disks that come when you buy ODST is worth that amount.

What would happen if ODST came with those disks and you only payed $30 for it? That means you just wasted $30 on DLC that you didnt need when you get it for free in ODST.

See the problem here?

Microsoft is going to get complaints either way.

  • 09.27.2009 9:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Instantkill1112
TheEasy1JM is right, this game does suck. First of all they made us buy these map packs and then only to add them on in this game, I want its own multiplayer that is not just halo 3. The campaign is easy I beat it on Legendary in about 4 hours I didn't bother to play anything less and the campaign was boring and repetetive. If you are ODST why do you only drop once. Firefight is horrible play Gears of War or COD5 not this. Also, who cares about the option to get recon its not special. Everyone will have it and it won't matter.
You were never forced to buy the map packs when they first came out.

  • 09.27.2009 9:48 PM PDT