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Subject: Halo ODST sucks!

Posted by: TheEasy1JM
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Hey I heard somewhere, that if you complain a little more... they lower the price.
Hey I heard somewhere that you're -blam!-. Just FYI. ;-)


...No you!!!

  • 09.28.2009 8:32 PM PDT



*Stands up and claps*

(Finally a good challenge)

I never thought that the Bungie community had such balls to do this. I'm glad there's still some of us left. Obviously I completely and utterly disagree with this so called "novel" but it doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion and I don't see your points to be valid. I'm just going to say that it's worth the money to some people. Now a spoiled teen like myself obviously doesn't care about the price of games that much anymore. On the other hand, my friends, who are not the wealthiest in the pack, have been explaining to me how it's been getting harder and harder to achieve such games as ODST, Left 4 Dead 2 and COD 6 and I listen to them. They explain to me that they think the prices for these games are ridiculous and if this keeps going on, eventually games for NATAL will be $100+. That's like buying an N64 about a year after release! I totally understand that it's getting hard to keep buying these games but really, it's up to the consumer if it's worth it or not. I'm not really even much of a saver. At the moment I've got $0 in my wallet. That's because I spent the last bit of it on an iTunes gift card to get the ODST Soundtrack (Which is $20 so I have to go get another card, but it'll be worth it).

Now don't take this in any offense but ODST is honestly, IMO (as you say), the best game of 2009! Now if BioShock 2 came out on the original date, that would without a doubt be the best game of '09. Anyhow, ODST's whole plot may be short and sweet but you can't look me straight in the eyes with a straight face saying that ODST has no replay value. You just can't. Not to mention Firefight. Now for the three maps, yes, I agree, that's a little upsetting that they included 3 extra maps and just took the source of the whole Multiplayer portion of Halo 3, remodeled some UI enhancements for the menu and called it a whole new Multiplayer experience. I agree, now that you've brought it to my attention, I must say that the whole tally of everything related to Halo 3 that I've bought has kinda made me weep a bit inside. The thought that I bought the Halo 3 Collectors Edition (75), Heroic, Legendary, Mythic (30) and ODST Collectors Edition (100), which is $205 worth of 130 dollars of addons and about 60 of which were wasted (I mean the 3 map packs and the multiplayer portion of ODST) kinda upsets me and wants me to kill MSFT (who is the culprit of this mess) even more. Honestly, Bungie is the little puppy dog with the tail between it's legs. MSFT is the big bad 10 yr old who likes to boss that puppy around for it's own benefit.

Anyhow, yes, I agree with some parts that ODST's pricing was above what it needed to be, but at the same time I disagree. I like to believe that Halo 3's whole Multiplayer experience was packed into ODST as an extra (which is what Sketch said on the ODST Pre-Launch episode of Gametrailers). Honestly it is. (I use this example a lot but it works) For example, BioShock. IMO, best game ever developed. Guess what BioShock has. Singleplayer. Anything else? Nope, just singleplayer with about 9 or 10 levels. How much was it worth? $60 with LE pricing at $100. What comes with ODST? Single-Player, Firefight, Theater, Extras, and the whole Multiplayer experience. Really, nobody complained one bit when BioShock came out.


I am both glad and a bit shocked to see that there is another person that likes Halo games, but still holds enough dignity to rebuttal with something besides a stupid one liner or mindless angry typing.

Anyways back to the point, I'm fine with you thinking that ODST is the best game of 09. What pushed my buttons was that some people were saying it was the best of the halo franchises, even best game they played. There are far better games than ODST in a non offensive way. Once again we are all titled to our opinions though.

I am also glad that I was able to get through to at least one person about all the money spent in vain on the DLC. I guess it's good that you think you got your money's worth with ODST. It really is the consumer's choice, and from my prespective I don't feel like it's worth it though. It's one of those games that is alright but I would never pay full price for, IMO of course. I truthfully, and I really do mean this, do not have any intentions of playing the campaign unless I can get three friends to play 4 player coop, maybe it's just me.

Another thing we can agree upon is that BioShock was a bit overpriced for what it delivered, or didn't. I also loved Bioshock, the storyline was incredibly appealing and gameplay had some cool features, but I was disappointed to see it had no multiplayer. But I'm not saying that ODST by itself is overprice if you haven't bought anything Halo 3 related. You're a great example of what I am driving at, you've bought Halo 3 (collectors edition at that), all the DLC bungie released, then of course bought the ODST collectors edition. In retrospect you only paid for three things in ODST: The campaign, three maps, and FireFight(which disapointingly doesn't have matchmaking). Everything else was previously in Halo 3.

While I admire all of your opinions and agree with some of your points, my arguement still stands that ODST was a jip.

PS: Bioshock 2 would have blown any game out of the water if it came out this year, that games on my top for getting along with Reach and Starcraft 2

  • 09.28.2009 8:33 PM PDT

If you think world at war is 80% crap well.. your brain is only functioning at 80% because it is indeed 100% crap

You have NEVER played ODST.
If you say you're not playing it online , then how will you access the reach beta ?

  • 09.28.2009 8:33 PM PDT

Posted by: TheEasy1JM
Just bought my pre-ordered copy of ODST tonight. Picked it up at 12:22 am and quickly drove it home to play. Already had friends lined up to do 4 player co-op. $60.00 for 3 new multiplayer maps that will be free in another 2 months, and a 5 hour campaign... That doesn't sound good I thought, but then this is Halo and we have all of the previous titles and loved each one. That list includes Halo Wars... Therefore I thought that this one has to be good. Long story short, the 4 of us all agreed that this is a terrible game which is chock full of shortcuts and unpolished hogwash. I plan to take my copy back to the store when it opens for my money back! Bungie - This is not worth $60.00 - not even close. This is a crappy game and that is coming from a Halo-fanboy. You guys lost a customer tonight. I won't buy another one of your titles. I am extremely disappointed by this game.
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  • 09.28.2009 8:34 PM PDT

"People can have the Model T in any color they want, so long as it's black" - Henery Ford.

Posted by: BrokeL
You have NEVER played ODST.
If you say you're not playing it online , then how will you access the reach beta ?



Your post is number 777, Just thought you should know.

  • 09.28.2009 8:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Skillet98
Just addressing some issues here. One paragraph at a time...


Ok now it's my turn:


I have to say this paragraph is pretty ridiculous. The idea that anyone who buys ODST and thinks it happens to be a great game is "brain washed by Bungie and can't see different" is just silly. Also saying Sandbox looks like it was designed by second graders is quite out of line. It looks a little dull (as does The Ark and Sandtrap) but that's the way it's meant to look regarding the art style. It's a dessert. Seriously. When was the last time you literally had three different maps in one? plus the full freedom to change everything in those three maps? I do agree with the statement about requiring DLC maps to play certain playlists though. It was a bit of a dick move and I was annoyed. I also got over it, so it doesn't matter.


Ok lightly taken there, maybe I was looking at it from my prespective too much. But you might as well be brainwashed if you think that you didn't get money taken from right under you by buying ODST. And when I said Sandbox was crap I meant strictly in Mulitplayer, forgive me for not mentioning it. I mean I know it's in the dessert and all but I was just saying it looks like they gave second graders some legos and asked them to design a map IMO.

Again... so anyone who thinks ODST is a good game is somehow brain washed by big, evil, Bungie?

Shame on you.


Shame on me? Shame on you for not paying enough attention to that paragraph. Go back read it again and you'll see that I'm calling the real hardcore Halo fans that don't realize that ODST price is not very just at all are brainwashed.

All I can say is "WOW". Seriously. How on God's green Earth is Firefight "nothing new" and "used in many games"? Last time I checked, Left 4 Dead sparked people's interest in the whole "fight never-ending waves of enemies with friends" mode but was sub-par because it was still a linear point A to point B gameplay style. Horde followed this and quite frankly, Epic botched that up pretty good. It was fun... but Firefight eclipses it in almost every way. Number 1, the game doesn't stop between each wave, the maps are made specifically for Firefight, not just carbon cut MP maps, the skulls add a seemingly random variation of difficulty to each round, and the Set, Round, Wave progression all flows perfectly.

Also, about the "colors" as you put it. The game is just as colorful as Halo 3, if not more-so. The only Halo 3 level that may have a broader color palate is The Covenant. I think you were trying to express your dislike of the brightness. But 60% of the game takes place at night. What do you expect?

Final point on this paragraph, is that you're wrong about the weapons. And dual wielding. You said the two new weapons are "useless"? What. The HELL? The automag on of the most useful weapons in the game, and the addition of the scope on the SMG and the fact that it's more powerful makes it great for ripping through Brute shields and armor in the first portions of the game. I'm guessing you're one of those that wants the BR back?

And about the dual wielding, it's not needed. There's no point in carrying two smgs or pistols... or even Brute plasma rifles. They went back to Halo CE's style of gunplay leaving you free to use your weapons, grenades, and melee at the same time. I always found dual wielding in Halo to be more of a nuisance than an actual feature. Looks cool... doesn't perform all that well.


Ok so let me get this right, because FireFight uses a different style of survival it's different? Correct? Just making sure I read that right. Listen I said FireFight was good I never said it was dull or boring, but really just look past the sprinkles they put on top and you still have a survival game, it's nothing more than a survival feature. Even if they made different weapons on that mode and certain powerups you can't get in MM or campaign it's still survival, you see what I'm driving at? If that's your arguement about FF then the World at War zombies mode might as well be revolutionary.

I know the game has vast scenes at night, in which part of my post did you read that I denied this? I simpley said that they tried to make odst less colorfull by using night time instead of simpley lowering the saturation of colors. Go play the Halo 3 campaign again and compare both game in the day you can see ODST is more gritty and a bit darker. Heck even the multiplayer spartans are less colorful.

Oh yes and bout dual wielding and new weapons, I'm not sure how much you use the feature but two smgs and spikers are good up close, but it's all a matter of weapon choice and I wont fight your style. While I admit the Automag is the best pistol since the one in Halo CE (which is not saying much) it's not something you would get a "tool of destruction" with. And adding a scope to an msg and making a stronger should hardly be considered a new weapon, really?

ODST, is, in my opinion, the best Halo Campaign to date. It's one step above Halo CE. They used Halo 3 to take us back to the gameplay style of the first Halo, and added a brand new story on top of it. Not to mention Firefight, which might not be a new idea but is definitely the most perfect rendition of the idea so far.

Saying that it's Halo 3 repackaged is just insanity. Pure insanity. The only part of it that's repackaged is the multiplayer. And I can't hold that against Bungie.


I loved Halo CE, I truely did. playing the campaign over and over, system link, even four player multiplayer it was awsome. But the point of making new games is to expand it's gameplay. I mean look at Conker Live and Reloaded, didn't really work out that good. As I have said before the campaign was good but I really have to be blown out of the water by a video game campaign to be able to replay it without being bored, usually what RPGs are for. Oh yes and I forgot to metion the open spaces unlike in the other Halo games, this deems it a step away from Halo 3. Don't tell me you didn't think about Halo 3 during ODST gameplay.

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  • 09.28.2009 9:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: holypintobean
Anyhow, ODST's whole plot may be short and sweet but you can't look me straight in the eyes with a straight face saying that ODST has no replay value. You just can't.


ODST has no replay value.
There, I just proved you wrong.
I'm already 95% done with SP. Once I collect the last few audio-logs (about 1 hour worth of gameplay) and get Good Samaritan, I'm done. 100% completion.

Firefight doesn't attract me much. Everyone's obsessing over Survival modes. L4D, GoW, CoD, now Halo...wtf. I'm sick and tired of it. Once I get Endure and the 200,000 achievements, I'm not playing it again.

I did all this in a week. One week.

In other words, once I do everything once, I'm never going to do it again.

So yes, in my case, ODST lacks replay value. Sorry, but you're not right.

[Edited on 09.28.2009 9:50 PM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 9:47 PM PDT
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well.... I like ODST.

  • 09.28.2009 9:49 PM PDT

"Dude, what are you doing right now?"
"Uhh... Heh, my mom."
"Dude... What?"

Posted by: Xolu
You people really need to start thinking.

Everyone is saying that they spent $60 on a 5 hour campaign, a survival mode and 3 new maps. They don't mention the fact that there is all DLC and the whole multiplayer on the disc.

What people need to think about is the fact that NEW players too Halo can pick up ODST and get a 5 hour campaign, XX(I can't actually be bothered thinking about how many there actually are, 12? Who cares) bonus maps, firefight and spartan multiplayer. Thats what justifies the cost of $60. Just because you already have halo 3 doesn't mean that the cost should be lower. Thats just retarded. Its like buying an icecream, then buying another icecream with sprinkles on top, but then saying you should only have to pay for the sprinkles because you already have an icecream


Don't forget the Beta, and the Recon.

That's another 40$ for you.

  • 09.28.2009 9:49 PM PDT

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Don't forget the Beta, and the Recon.

That's another 40$ for you.


LOL.
I just died a bit on the inside. This isn't the first time, though.

Posted by: Xolu
Thats just retarded. Its like buying an icecream, then buying another icecream with sprinkles on top, but then saying you should only have to pay for the sprinkles because you already have an icecream


You're stupidly offensive for using the word retarded as a way of describing your example.

Your example actually proves why ODST fails. If you already bought ice cream, why would you buy an entirely new ice cream just to get sprinkles? Why not just buy the sprinkles on their own? Stop being an idiot and wake up.

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  • 09.28.2009 9:52 PM PDT

I like Pie YES I DO . I like endure NO I DON'T!

OH! and theres glitches in the game :D and it takes like6 hours to beat in legendary :/ ... but give it a chance its fun anyways and the only new halo game that came out till reach comes in fall.

  • 09.28.2009 9:54 PM PDT

Nothing like teamwork to enhance an enjoyable game!

The poster who initiated this thread (TheEasy1JM) spent his hard earned cash for ODST then posts his honest critique of the game for the benefit of those still trying to justify the expense. While his objective can only be viewed as informative, he instead gets slammed with a boat load of sophmoric garbage from the majority of those responding. 90% of them are typical teenage ad-hominem attacks which lends more credence to TheEasy1JM and his critique, which is spot on, hitting the bullseye on all counts.

I personally wished I had found this thread before I picked up my copy of ODST! The Bungie Team no longer gets the proverbial green light as I've so often allowed them in the past ... and they should be made aware of this from dedicated Halo fans.

For those of you who enjoy the game, that's great! But instead of posting immaturish, name-calling, zero-content personal attacks, why not offer something of value in the proper decorum of debate to give your post a valid rebuttal. (I realize I'm probably asking too much here considering my experience with multiplayer and a microphone)

There are alot of us who have already raised their children and find it a waste of their time to wade through all the misfits with a keyboard, being severely short of both discipline and manners.

Good post TheEasy1JM! I'm in total agreeance!

  • 09.28.2009 10:00 PM PDT

This thread only confirms what I had feared about this game prior to release. It's as if Bungie is punishing me for buying all of their map packs by making me pay for them twice! I played the game at a buddy of mine's house and was really glad I decided to pass on this game and wait for Modern Warfare 2, it's nothing groundbreaking in terms of gameplay, story, or content and it's inflated price reflects nothing but greed upon the Bungie staff. Seriously, I had once thought that I would buy anything that came from them.

  • 09.28.2009 10:41 PM PDT

china called...

  • 09.28.2009 10:53 PM PDT

Posted by: TheEasy1JM
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You suck!

-blam!- you!
Wow what a wonderful expression. I know you must have put a lot of thought into that. Mommy and Daddy must be so proud of you. Update: I have played Firefight now for about 5 hours or so. Topped 100K points before they finally got me on Normal setting. I enjoyed it. However, was the disk worth $60.00? For me the answer is "No". Especially considering that I have already purchased all of the other Halo 3 map packs. For those of you that think I am a PS3 fanboy, then you are just idiots. I have played over 3 thousand games on this ID alone, not to mention my other ids. In fact I have burned through 3 Halo 3 disks. I am playing my Legendary copy now - the one that came with a Helmet. Actually Halo 3 was my first introduction into the Halo Universe. After playing it I went and purchased Halo 1 and 2. I will play the Beta for Reach before I decide to purchase anymore Bungie games. I am still very disappointed by ODST. As for those of you that think I am a troll, noob, or whatever else your pee-sized brains can dream up. The fact of the matter is that I work for a huge company, and was an international consultant for several years. Now I am also an author, and I am working on my third book. My question is what have you done with your lives? My guess is that you work a blue-collar job, beat your wives, get drunk on the weekend or sleep in your parents basements because you are too lazy or too stupid to get a real job.


Now, this post just really upset me. You're an international consultant for a huge company, an author getting ready to put out your third book, but you still feel the need to stereotype the players of this game and the users of this forum? I realize you don't like ODST and that's fine. Everyone has their own tastes. You thought you'd come on here and voice your displeasure of the game with the actually developers. Fine.

You got flamed by some immature posters. Big deal. But here's the thing, if you're a top notch person like you claim to be, and a much better human being then the rest of us, because we all live in our parent's basement, why are you being just as immature and defensive as every other person on here? If you're the better person then the rest of us, shouldn't you act like it?

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OP is a tool.

  • 09.28.2009 11:31 PM PDT
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schnitzigles

easy1jm, you obviously did not take your time and enjoy the game as you should have. Did you even try it on a higher difficulty level after you finished it? probably not. If it took you five hours to complete then you never had the opportunity to actually explore the environment. In my opinion ODST kicks ass and firefight is awesome.

  • 09.29.2009 12:19 AM PDT

Skillet was here and referred to himself in the third person.

Posted by: TheEasy1JM
Posted by: Skillet98
Posted by: TheEasy1JM
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Basically, all the things you don't like about it was all the stuff Bungie told you beforehand. It wasn't like any of that was a big surprise. Bungie told us that we were going to be weaker than a Spartan, Bungie told us that it was going to be dark and lonely (Remember the Demo at E3? That also showed the "Annoying outline" on everything), Bungie told us it was a short campaign, and the AI is a whole lot smarter than Halo 3. All of that was told to you months before the launch, and you still pre-ordered it.
Did Bungie tell us that this character wouldn't be able to dual wield? Did Bungie tell us that the character would be Psychic? Firefight is fun. I played it after my initial post and it was indeed fun for about 2 hours. How does the rookie see everything that his squad mates have been through unless he's psychic. Hogwash - pure hogwash.


Yes, I believe Bungie did say that the ODSTs don't dual wield. They were taking it back to Halo's roots. Which, obviously you wouldn't remember considering all likely evidence points to you only playing Halo 3.

Also, where the hell did you get the idea that the Rookie is psychic? He doesn't see what the other team members did during their missions. The whole point of the Rookie is that he's trying to FIND his squad. He's searching New Mombasa for clues about their location. Obviously finding a sniper rifle means that Romeo was probably in the area. Or close to it. Seeing the burned Oni Alpha Site makes him realize that something big happened there. He searches Mombasa for clues until he hears Dare on the comm. Then he heads for the Data Hive.

The Rookie isn't psychic. He doesn't see those flashbacks, YOU DO. It lets YOU put the pieces together by giving YOU the story of what happened through the squad's eyes.

Good lord. And you have the nerve to call everybody else stupid for disagreeing with you?

Go read a damn book. Get that IQ up a bit and you might actually be a respectable addition to a forum. I doubt it, but I believe in miracles.

No matter what you do, stop being a damn troll and let it go.


Skillet, Skillet, Skillet..... How sad I feel for you. Completely involved in a game world, oblivious to the world around you, no real skills, incapable of being a productive member of society, complacent in your pathetic virtual half-baked life. I am an avid reader my friend. I am also an Author, and if I had submitted a half-baked idea such as the Halo ODST story to my publisher she would have thrown it in the trash faster than you can lick Bungie's boot after they kicked you in the face. Sorry I upset you. Now don't you think you should call mommy so that she can change your diaper?


Easy, Easy, Easy..... how sad I feel for you, unable to realize that nobody cares what you do in your so-called 'real life', only your opinions expressed in this thread. Which are really quite lame. Why don't you actually respond to the people who call you out with an actual argument, rather than resorting to childish banter that makes you look like nothing more than an immature dick?

Probably because you can't. I'm right, aren't I? You have absolutely no argument to what anybody says on here when they disagree with you. It's most likely psychologically impossible for you to comprehend facts. Which is why you made this thread and revealed your blatant ignorance.

I feel sorry for you. I really do. You should probably get some help. It's not healthy going through life that way.

So, when you've gotten help with your mental problems and are able to have a civilized argument and have regained the ability to see when you're wrong, come back to me. I'd be happy to make you humble.

Until then, I'd advise you to stop responding. It isn't helping your case.

On a side note, if this thread was several pages back, sorry for bumping the topic, mods. I went through my saved threads.

  • 09.29.2009 12:34 AM PDT

its 76$ in canada, yep ....

  • 09.29.2009 12:38 AM PDT

Skillet was here and referred to himself in the third person.

Posted by: holypintobean

Ok now it's my turn:

Ok lightly taken there, maybe I was looking at it from my prespective too much. But you might as well be brainwashed if you think that you didn't get money taken from right under you by buying ODST. And when I said Sandbox was crap I meant strictly in Mulitplayer, forgive me for not mentioning it. I mean I know it's in the dessert and all but I was just saying it looks like they gave second graders some legos and asked them to design a map IMO.

Shame on me? Shame on you for not paying enough attention to that paragraph. Go back read it again and you'll see that I'm calling the real hardcore Halo fans that don't realize that ODST price is not very just at all are brainwashed.


That's the whole point of Sandbox. If anything, the stock map isn't meant to be played at all. It's there for the same reason Foundry is there. For Forge... and people have made some pretty amazing things on both maps.

Also, I am a real hardcore Bungie fan. I've played Marathon, Myth, Pathways into Darkness, and currently own all of the Halo games. Including the special edition Halo 2 and Halo 3 Legendary. I also bought the Halo 3 maps previous to buying ODST. But the fact that I now have all of the maps in one place, plus the vastly superior than Halo 3 campaign... and Firefight, makes up for that to me. Yes, I payed for the maps twice. But I can't accept that and the reson for why they did it. Though, I DO think it would have been better to release a $30 version of ODST that came without the Mythic disk. But it wasn't my decision to make.

Ok so let me get this right, because FireFight uses a different style of survival it's different? Correct? Just making sure I read that right. Listen I said FireFight was good I never said it was dull or boring, but really just look past the sprinkles they put on top and you still have a survival game, it's nothing more than a survival feature. Even if they made different weapons on that mode and certain powerups you can't get in MM or campaign it's still survival, you see what I'm driving at? If that's your arguement about FF then the World at War zombies mode might as well be revolutionary.

Okay,so let me get this straight. Because an idea has been done before... the current execution of said idea is somehow a flaw because it has been a done before. I'm sorry, but that means every single game... every single one in this current generation of consoles, and every generation since the Playstation should be counted as "unoriginal" because it's all been done before. When it comes to games, it' al about how you can change a previous idea. Very rarely does a game come out that sports a new idea. It's all in how well it's executed. If you can't see that, you probably shouldn't be playing games. Especially current generation ones.

I know the game has vast scenes at night, in which part of my post did you read that I denied this? I simpley said that they tried to make odst less colorfull by using night time instead of simpley lowering the saturation of colors. Go play the Halo 3 campaign again and compare both game in the day you can see ODST is more gritty and a bit darker. Heck even the multiplayer spartans are less colorful.

Maybe it was how you said it. But I simply don't see it that way. And the game is supposed to be a bit more gritty. You're not the robotic Master Chief with his flashy Spartan moves and colerfull space adventure. You're a glorified Marine fighting a war on Earth. The art style is perfect for the game.

Oh yes and bout dual wielding and new weapons, I'm not sure how much you use the feature but two smgs and spikers are good up close, but it's all a matter of weapon choice and I wont fight your style. While I admit the Automag is the best pistol since the one in Halo CE (which is not saying much) it's not something you would get a "tool of destruction" with. And adding a scope to an msg and making a stronger should hardly be considered a new weapon, really?

I agree, it's all about style. Personally, I don't like getting very close to my enemies. Which is why I also don't use the shotgun often. I'd rather snipe them from far away. But like I said, dual wielding limits the amount of actions you can perform. I'd rather be able to throw grenades than use a second firearm. And yes, the pistol should b everyone's tool of destruction. lol It's practically the ODST Battle Rifle. As for the "new smg" argument... yeah, it kind of does. Just like adding a scope to the pistol in Halo 1 made it more than just another pistol in a first person shooter video game.

I loved Halo CE, I truely did. playing the campaign over and over, system link, even four player multiplayer it was awsome. But the point of making new games is to expand it's gameplay. I mean look at Conker Live and Reloaded, didn't really work out that good. As I have said before the campaign was good but I really have to be blown out of the water by a video game campaign to be able to replay it without being bored, usually what RPGs are for. Oh yes and I forgot to metion the open spaces unlike in the other Halo games, this deems it a step away from Halo 3. Don't tell me you didn't think about Halo 3 during ODST gameplay.

Honestly, the only time I thought about Halo 3 was when I was thinking about how much better ODST is.

ODST is definitely a "love or hate" game. Personally, I love it. It's my Halo 2. :p

Also, I'd like to say... I respect your opinion far more than the guy who made this thread. At least you can argue in a civil manner. Thank you for that.

  • 09.29.2009 12:59 AM PDT

i think odst was pretty much a good deal i even bought the collectors edition, but im not a fan because i bought it so i can just hang the controller on the wall. i actually needed a new controller.
just look at it
-a new campaign with new multiplayer what thats like $50 at least
-$10 for 3 new maps just like heroic, legendary, and the 1st part of the mythic map pack
-if you were patient enough you wouldnt bought the other map packs, and odst came out with ALL the maps, so thats basically $40 worth of maps
-plus maps eventually become free no one is forcing you to buy them so why even point that out
-plus if you bought the collectors edition it comes with a $50 controller
-if you think about it odst was basically the best deal bungie ever gave you

bungie did not lose a halo fan, they just got rid of an idiot

  • 09.29.2009 1:03 AM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

i don't think bungie cares about ONE insignficant customer when they have millions more happy poeple playing it

  • 09.29.2009 1:11 AM PDT
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For the last time, the amount of content released in ODST (including the Halo 3 multiplayer disk) is worth atleast $60.

What you people should do is contact Microsoft (since they set the prices) and see if you cant get ODST to be released with out the Halo 3 multiplayer disk. That way it will cut the price almost in half.

Either way you were informed of what you were getting. I dont know why you would have expected to get the Halo 3 multiplayer stuff for free. It already cost you money to get it once, why not a second time.

  • 09.29.2009 1:50 AM PDT

Posted by: WovenSpartacus1
The poster who initiated this thread (TheEasy1JM) spent his hard earned cash for ODST then posts his honest critique of the game for the benefit of those still trying to justify the expense. While his objective can only be viewed as informative, he instead gets slammed with a boat load of sophmoric garbage from the majority of those responding. 90% of them are typical teenage ad-hominem attacks which lends more credence to TheEasy1JM and his critique, which is spot on, hitting the bullseye on all counts.

I personally wished I had found this thread before I picked up my copy of ODST! The Bungie Team no longer gets the proverbial green light as I've so often allowed them in the past ... and they should be made aware of this from dedicated Halo fans.

For those of you who enjoy the game, that's great! But instead of posting immaturish, name-calling, zero-content personal attacks, why not offer something of value in the proper decorum of debate to give your post a valid rebuttal. (I realize I'm probably asking too much here considering my experience with multiplayer and a microphone)

There are alot of us who have already raised their children and find it a waste of their time to wade through all the misfits with a keyboard, being severely short of both discipline and manners.

Good post TheEasy1JM! I'm in total agreeance!
From the bottom of my heart, thank you very much my friend. You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you!

  • 09.29.2009 4:21 AM PDT