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Subject: Just to End the Sierra 259 and others
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ok ive seen a few topic on this one and I just want to end it. Currently 7 Spartans are to be "Known Alive".


SPARTAN-003: Mike - MIA with the rest of Gray Team.

SPARTAN-006: Jai - MIA with the rest of Gray Team.

SPARTAN-007: James - MIA, most likely KIA during the Battle of Reach.

SPARTAN-008: Li - MIA during Slipspace anomaly battle, though assumed KIA due to close plasma torpedo detonation.

SPARTAN-029: Joshua - Listed as MIA, though assumed KIA during The Battle of Reach due to a direct hit from a Covenant cruiser's plasma weaponry.

SPARTAN-030: Vinh - Listed as MIA, though assumed KIA after Battle of Reach.

SPARTAN-034: Samuel - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA due to a breach in his MJOLNIR armor, first to destroy a Covenant ship in a non-ship to ship (MIA/KIA) battle.

SPARTAN-039: Isaac - Listed as MIA, though assumed KIA after the Battle of Reach.

SPARTAN-042: Douglas - Last seen aboard Spirit of Fire in 2531. Listed as MIA.

SPARTAN-043: William - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA by Hunter pair during Battle of Onyx

SPARTAN-044: Anton - MIA during Slipspace anomaly battle, though assumed KIA due to close plasma torpedo detonation.

SPARTAN-047: Keiichi - Last seen during the Third Battle of Harvest.

SPARTAN-051: Kurt - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA after the detonation of 2 FENRIS nukes in Onyx.

SPARTAN-058: Linda - Active in Shield World, although she was briefly KIA from the Battle of Reach until after the destruction of Installation-04, due to SPARTAN-117's quick action to put -058 into a cryo tube.Listed as MIA by the UNSC

SPARTAN-059: Malcolm - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA during Battle of Reach.

SPARTAN-062: Maria - Retired.

SPARTAN-068: Kirk - Discharged.

SPARTAN-084: Fhajad - Discharged, sent to work for ONI due to uncontrollable muscle spasms (assumed as Parkinson's disease), current status unknown.

SPARTAN-087: Kelly - Active in Shield World. Listed as MIA by the UNSC.

SPARTAN-092: Jerome - Last seen aboard Spirit of Fire in 2531. Listed as MIA

SPARTAN-093: Grace - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA During Operation: First Strike on Unyielding Hierophant.

SPARTAN-104: Frederic - Active in Shield World.Listed as MIA by the UNSC.

SPARTAN-111: Adriana - MIA with the rest of Gray Team.

SPARTAN-117: John - MIA though presumed (by the UNSC) KIA. Last seen drifting toward an unknown planet.

SPARTAN-118: Randall - MIA.

SPARTAN-119: Sheila - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA during Battle of Miridem.

SPARTAN-130: Alice - Last seen aboard Spirit of Fire in 2531. Listed as MIA

SPARTAN-139: Cassandra - WIA (Considered to wounded to continue active duty)

SPARTAN-165 (or S-000): Rene - Discharged


150 original candidates out of which there was funding for only half (FoR Ch. 2)

75 total pre-augmentation (stated several times; FoR Ch.4 also mistakenly mentions "seventy-four"; as well, there other reports of 67, etc.)

30 died during surgery ("Thirty candidates had 'washed out' of the Spartan program; they died during the augmentation process." FoR Ch.7)

No names known
12 crippled in surgery (FoR Ch.7 "There were a dozen others, though, who had lived... but were no longer soldiers."; "The other dozen, suffering from side effects of the process, had been permanently reassigned within the Office of Naval Intelligence.")

Kirk
Fhajad-084
Rene
9 others left unnamed
33 left in the squad ("There were only thirty-two soldiers left in his squad [besides John?]" FoR Ch.7; "John glanced around the launch chamber; Sam, Kelly, and thirty others still stood at attention in their black dress uniforms [1+2+30=33]" FoR Ch.7; "The other Spartans stood at attention. Thirty-three - too many for this operation." FoR Ch. 9)

3 away (Gray Team; Adriana-111, Jai-006, Mike) on missions too distant to be easily recalled ("...save three, who are otherwise engaged on fields of combat too distant to be easily recalled." FoR Ch.26 [possibly Maria-062?])
3 Spartans MIA (KIA) over the past decade, 2542-2552; not including Samuel ("...there have only been three KIAs..." FoR Ch.26)
1 more Spartan (Samuel-034) MIA (KIA) during Covenant ship infiltration in 2525
1 Spartan seriously wounded, could not continue active duty ("...and one Spartan too wounded to continue active duty." [possibly Cassanndra?] FoR Ch.26)
This leaves 25 present at Reach before splitting into Red and Blue teams (with 3 more away making 28 active Spartans in total) which adds up and is confirmed during Halsey's briefing ("Clustered around him were two dozen Spartans: Fred, Linda, Joshua, James, and many others he had not spoken to for years...[2 dozen + John = 25]" FoR Ch.26)

However, it is stated that there are 30 Spartans at Reach at the beginning of H1/First Strike ("The primary storage bay had been converted into barracks for the thirty Spartans" FoR Ch.29; "Twenty-seven Spartans braced themselves... [plus the 3 in orbit = 30]" FS p.7). This is inconsistent with the number of 25 at Reach established earlier/above.

Regardless, from here they split into 2 teams:



Blue Team has 3 members:
John-117
Linda-058 is 'killed' but eventually revived
James is blasted of into space Frank Poole style, marked MIA
Red Team supposedly has 27 members (number mentioned several times; it "should" have 22):
4 KIA during the Reach freefall
Malcolm-059
3 others unnamed
Alpha Team: 3 members
Red 1: Frederic-104
Red 2: Kelly-087 (later abducted by Halsey; alive, but MIA)
Red 3: Joshua-029 (goes missing in LZ Assault; MIA, assumed KIA)
Beta Team: whoever is left from Red 4-11 and Red 13-20; either 11 or 6 Spartans depending on the accepted initial count
No members named
All MIA/KIA during generator defense
Gamma Team 3 members
Red 21: Anton-044, killed by a ship plasma bolt, MIA/KIA (FS p.235)
Red 22: Grace-093, who is later killed by Brutes aboard the Unyielding Hierophant, KIA (FS p.315)
Red 23: Li-008, killed by a ship plasma bolt, MIA/KIA (FS p.235)
Team Omega 3 members: Jerome-092, Alice-130, Douglas-042
Delta Team 6 members
Red 12: William-043
Red ?: Isaac-039, assumed dead retreating into Forerunner caves on Reach, MIA/KIA (FS p.148)
Red ?: Vinh-030, assumed dead retreating into Forerunner caves on Reach, MIA/KIA (FS p.148)
3 others unnamed, MIA/KIA
In summation...


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Essentially, the only major inconsistency is the sudden jump from 25 to 30 Spartans on the Pillar of Autumn pre-Reach attack; so far everything else adds up. At present, the list of remaining, active Spartans is as follows:

John-117 (floating in space)
Frederic-104
Linda-058
Kelly-087 (abducted by Halsey)
Gray Team (Adriana-111, Jai-006, Mike)
For a total of 7 alive and well.

Also alive, but not active, are the 12 crippled from surgery and the one too wounded to continue active duty, for a total of 21.

Several others are listed MIA but may yet realistically resurface if the story demands it; their "deaths" occcured under foggy enough circumstances (such as James et al.)


(edit) *removed by request due to incorrect information*

Quote: "There are more being trained but they have yet to be specifically mentioned or seen by anyone ("...he had overheard Dr. Halsey mention that Chief Mendez was training another group of Spartans. He had never seen them..." FoR Ch.24)"

[Edited on 09.24.2009 12:07 AM PDT]

  • 09.23.2009 11:32 PM PDT
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I also just want to add that all the information in the above topic has been pulled by other sources. Many from credible sources. But there is always room for error.

  • 09.23.2009 11:33 PM PDT
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I do not appreciate B.Net Group solicitation. If you ignore this and send me an invitation anyway, I will block communications with you.

First of all, I highly suggest you remove the very last portion of your post, as claiming that Spartan 259 and Spartan 320 are Spartans of Dr. Halsey's is both misleading, highly contradicted, and most of all incredibly speculative. Do not assert it as fact; opinion and nothing more.

You need to pay attention to the forum before posting here. This information has already been posted, and is the subject of one current Top Forum Topic here.

Posting this same information in a new thread will not cure the masses of ignorance, I'm afraid.

[Edited on 09.23.2009 11:37 PM PDT]

  • 09.23.2009 11:36 PM PDT

Semper Fidelis!

ALTOIDS RULE

Nice... That's a pretty good man, this will definatly help further speculation. I think it's safe to say we will play as the Spartan II series 2 Spartans..

  • 09.23.2009 11:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dream053
First of all, I highly suggest you remove the very last portion of your post, as claiming that Spartan 259 and Spartan 320 are Spartans of Dr. Halsey's is both misleading, highly contradicted, and most of all incredibly speculative. Do not assert it as fact; opinion and nothing more.

You need to pay attention to the forum before posting here. This information has already been posted, and is the subject of one current Top Forum Topic here.

Posting this same information in a new thread will not cure the masses of ignorance, I'm afraid.


I would say that removal of it is warranted; however I believe clarification that it is your opinion is needed so as not to confuse the "theory" kiddies.

  • 09.23.2009 11:57 PM PDT
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Also its considered rude to repost someone elses complaint. I dont take kindly to people trying to prove a point right or wrong. but as I stated, they have no name only known by number. Both were created AFTER the spartan II's, thats what I was stating and the facts are true.

  • 09.24.2009 12:12 AM PDT
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just to make you even more mad, because I like to do this allot!

Quote - "Sierra-259's status as a Spartan is merely conjecture, as no official source has claimed that he is indeed a Spartan, although, it is likely that Sierra-259 is. This is because he says in the Halo: Reach trailer shown at E3, "You got SPARTANs on the ground sir," and proceeds to say, "We're not going anywhere," as if referring to him and other SPARTANs. Also, Spartan-117 was referred to as Sierra-117."

  • 09.24.2009 12:24 AM PDT
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I did not repost their complaint (unless you are refering to the quote which was placed in order to show I was addressing his post), I was posting my own in support of the first one. To say that this is rude goes against the fundamentals of how complaints work. If there are enough, its cause for concern. When do you ever hear of one person and ONLY one person announcing a complaint while everyone else has to remain silent?

You were attempting to make a factual post/referance for people. If you were not, then it was very misleading in its format and tone and it would be fine to post your own opinion as long as it were seperated and stated that "BECAUSE of the above information" (or some form thereof) in order to keep the post logical. Instead, a transition from factual, documented knowledge into an opinion/speculation without a transition was made that would mislead people into assuming that this was somehow connected on the same documented, canonoligical (new word) level.

We were addressing the fact that your post was made in such a way as to convey documented information and ONLY documented information and yet at the end was your own opinion. In order to avoid confusion, removal and adherence to it being a factual database is one possiblity, or stating that it was your opinion as a secondary option.

No one told you that you were right or wrong. We simply said that your added comment was speculation and not in keeping with the rest of the information in terms of its validity as canon.

  • 09.24.2009 12:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Epcorn2
just to make you even more mad, because I like to do this allot!

Quote - "Sierra-259's status as a Spartan is merely conjecture, as no official source has claimed that he is indeed a Spartan, although, it is likely that Sierra-259 is. This is because he says in the Halo: Reach trailer shown at E3, "You got SPARTANs on the ground sir," and proceeds to say, "We're not going anywhere," as if referring to him and other SPARTANs. Also, Spartan-117 was referred to as Sierra-117."


This doesn't make me mad at all as it is the view that I hold on the matter. However, you can not present it as a fact as you did (perhaps unintentionally). Neither of us posted regarding the plausibility of your opinion, only that you HAD an opinion that was inappropriatley placed.

[Edited on 09.24.2009 12:35 AM PDT]

  • 09.24.2009 12:34 AM PDT