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Subject: So are we back to fighting elites again?

I'm guessing because reach fell before the elites broke off from the covenant.

  • 09.27.2009 9:11 AM PDT

Sure hope so. Their AI was way more challenging than the "Hey, I lost my armor, standstill and shout for 5 minutes giving my enemy the chance to headshot me, and if he misses that, I can run straight for him and get meleed with no effort whatsoever." the brutes have. It's fun for a while, but it gets old.

[Edited on 09.27.2009 9:14 AM PDT]

  • 09.27.2009 9:13 AM PDT
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I'm 99.99% sure we'll fight Elites over Apes. It should have been Elites as the enemy in ODST but apparently only Bungie likes us fighting Apes. ><

[Edited on 09.27.2009 9:44 AM PDT]

  • 09.27.2009 9:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: shoop da whoop
I'm 99.99% sure we'll fight Elites over Apes. It should have been Elites as the enemy in ODST but apparently only Bungie likes us fighting Apes. ><


I think they were just too lazy to create new animations and AI for the elites...

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Can there be elites and brutes in reach? that would be cool IMO because of I like the ranking's in the covenant by race. It would go Grunts, Jackals, Elites then Brutes.

But I sorta miss elites at halo 3 because I forget what it was like fighting them. Brutes were cool at the end of halo 2 and they are very cool in halo 3 but elites were special.

  • 09.27.2009 10:36 AM PDT
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All my opinion.

Bungie will fine an excuse.

  • 09.27.2009 11:03 AM PDT

Elites were highrt than brutes in rank before The Great Schism
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Can there be elites and brutes in reach? that would be cool IMO because of I like the ranking's in the covenant by race. It would go Grunts, Jackals, Elites then Brutes.

  • 09.27.2009 11:20 AM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Pretty please?

Im tired of fighting brutes.

1. Worse AI. They stand out in the open, even as you shoot them, without moving.

2. Terrible animations. When their shields go out, they lean forward, begging you to headshot them. And then they run at you. Challenging.

3. Carrying ill-suited equipment. Regenerators don't even work for Brute armor. Why would they carry something like that?

4. They cheat. Invincibility? Really? How weak are they that to make them a challenge, you have to give them ~15 seconds of INVULNERABILITY that can be activated before a rocket hits them? Oh, and the immunity to headshots because of that helmet. And immunity to sticky grenades, even when their armor is stripped off.

I remember Elites being more challenging than the Brutes ever were, without these gimmicks to make them more of a threat.

Ideally I want both in the game. Brute as infantry, Elites as the Elite Corps that they were designed to be.

  • 09.27.2009 11:27 AM PDT

I agree with the rest of the posts, I hope (and am 99.99% sure) that we fight Elites again. Brutes = fail sox.

  • 09.27.2009 11:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: shoop da whoop
I'm 99.99% sure we'll fight Elites over Apes. It should have been Elites as the enemy in ODST but apparently only Bungie likes us fighting Apes. ><


I think they were just too lazy to create new animations and AI for the elites...


They werent lazy. The Brutes had started their coup at that point so any elites were killed and the Elite controled fleet hadnt arrived yet.

  • 09.27.2009 11:43 AM PDT

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Possibly. We may fight only Brutes in REACH. We may fight only Elites in REACH.

I hope we fight BOTH in REACH.

  • 09.27.2009 5:52 PM PDT

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Hopefully Sangheili, as they are the only foes in the Halo verse to provide an actual challenge.

Probably Sangheili, due to the timeline.

Brutes? Most likely not, due to the fact that they were only sent out on a select few missions.

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how would they fite brutes if they came in halo2 and wernt in halo ce. personally i want to just play against elites i hate how brutes can just pucnh a warthog and it will go flying 200 ft in air and then barrel roll for another 50 only to get smacked by a invincible hammer guy. next thing you know brutes create their own minor league baseball team.

  • 09.27.2009 6:05 PM PDT
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Elites were only better because the plasma rifle was so overpowered in H1 and H2. They can kill a shieldless spartan faster than an AR/SMG can. Plus they drain shields faster too.

  • 09.27.2009 6:09 PM PDT

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how would they fite brutes if they came in halo2 and wernt in halo ce.
A logical person would realize that the Brutes were in the Covenant since before the war started. Also, just because something wasn't in Halo 1 doesn't mean it didn't exist until Halo 2 or 3. Don't be silly. We only saw one point of view in H1; there is no way we encountered everything we could have.

There were no Brutes in the Arbiter's Fleet, but there could have been Brutes in the Fleet(s) which remained to glass Reach after the PoA left.

  • 09.27.2009 6:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plyc
Elites were only better because the plasma rifle was so overpowered in H1 and H2. They can kill a shieldless spartan faster than an AR/SMG can. Plus they drain shields faster too.
Ummm. The Halo 2 and 3 PR were worthless for anything other than a melee-compliment. The H1 AR was not overpowered; it was perfectly balanced, though it could have done with a little bit more range, a 2x scope, no spread on single shots, and stun only on headshots.

  • 09.27.2009 6:17 PM PDT

Excellent. Nod grows stronger by your victories.

Posted by: shoop da whoop
I'm 99.99% sure we'll fight Elites over Apes. It should have been Elites as the enemy in ODST but apparently only Bungie likes us fighting Apes. ><



they probably didn't want to re-do a lot of AI work, because they had us fighting brutes in halo 3, not elites.

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Aye can you see the graphics on them (Elites)?? Its going to be AWESOME to fight them again!

  • 09.27.2009 6:32 PM PDT

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the only thing i never understood about brutes is where does there armour disappear when you shoot it all off. it's as if the floors have ground suckers that take things away.


curse YOU GROUND SUCKERS!!

  • 09.27.2009 6:38 PM PDT

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Pretty please?

Im tired of fighting brutes.

1. Worse AI. They stand out in the open, even as you shoot them, without moving.

2. Terrible animations. When their shields go out, they lean forward, begging you to headshot them. And then they run at you. Challenging.

3. Carrying ill-suited equipment. Regenerators don't even work for Brute armor. Why would they carry something like that?

4. They cheat. Invincibility? Really? How weak are they that to make them a challenge, you have to give them ~15 seconds of INVULNERABILITY that can be activated before a rocket hits them? Oh, and the immunity to headshots because of that helmet. And immunity to sticky grenades, even when their armor is stripped off.

I remember Elites being more challenging than the Brutes ever were, without these gimmicks to make them more of a threat.

Ideally I want both in the game. Brute as infantry, Elites as the Elite Corps that they were designed to be.


Agreed with this. ^^^

I also hope they make the Elites look more 'bad-ass.' They look too (can't think of the word[s],something between friendly/cute) and not killer, like in H1/H3. :)

EDIT:
Also, take that disgusting hunchback, looks like i'm fighting horses instead of an alien.

[Edited on 09.27.2009 8:25 PM PDT]

  • 09.27.2009 7:49 PM PDT

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  • 09.27.2009 7:53 PM PDT

Reach: 9/14/10.

According to the timeline, and how Bungie has made there AI. I believe we will be fighting against both Elites and Brutes, along with the other Covenant. But who knows, Bungie may have a new race that got killed off during the fall of REACH.

  • 09.27.2009 8:34 PM PDT

brutes arent meant to be anything like elites..... for all the people complaining yes the elites were harder because they are a different type of soldier, elites were more tactical but if you were to put an elite and a brute in an arm wrestle not only would the brute win they would tear the elites arm off. and people complaining about the brutes charging, if you actually read into the story, brutes are pack creatures by nature, so when there pack dies they go beserk taking out anything they can while pretty much going suicide also shut up saying bungie is lazy a good chunk of you people who play these games dont realize how much work is required to make games like this, and if for those that believe that you just have to be a nerd and have hours of free time to make a game its hard work, there is the story planning, you need a high knowledge of physics, halo probably has more lines of code than windows, and for those who dont have the slightest clue to what that means its more than u can count, and if anyone wonders why the elites get there butts kicked by brutes in halo 3 as much as marines do its because they dont have all the covenant back up and technology they do thats why you never see a jetpack elite or anything making weapons takes resources which the elites dont have.... there is a good chance brutes were involved in the take over of reach as well. so before people start complaing about brutes/elites or people being lazy just take time to consider how much work is put into a game like this if they were lazy, halo would suck and bungie would be a very bankrupt company... lazy programmers dont make the payday

  • 09.27.2009 9:05 PM PDT

I miss the good ole days where I actually had to run for my life from an elite with a sword...

  • 09.27.2009 9:15 PM PDT
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Hopefully there will be both elites and brutes in Reach.

  • 09.27.2009 9:40 PM PDT

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