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Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

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Seems to make sense since the battle rifle was not around back then...well technically it was as Sargent johnson was given a prototype in contact harvest. But that's beside the point.

[Edit] Apparently it was around back then according to http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/BR55_Battle_Rifle but don't stop reading here, there are a lot of good points that have been brought up later in the thread.

[Edit] It's also been pointed out that none of the Spartans in the picture are holding a battle rifle.

Bungie said they don't like the battle rifle as it makes for stale repetitive encounters in multiplayer. Encounters become all about keeping the redicule on the other characters head and pulling the trigger repeatably. If you think about it there shouldn't have ever been a long range rifle that shoots 3 bullets, because each one is a chance for a head shot and it only takes one of those three for a kill when they have no shields.

They already took it out of the game in ODST and are putting a big emphasis on the get the shields down and finish them off with a pistol head shot type of game play. Also in all the gametypes now in matchmaking that don't start with battle rifles they give you AR and pistol, which is awesome by the way. Gotta love finishing off someone with a pistol head shot, especially at long range since you have to lead them.

So there you go, that is what i believe Bungie is planning and why i think they are doing it. In my opinion it is a change for the better. Don't have any proof yet, but as the subject says "Theory".

Discuss?

[Edit] Good work on the responses guys great discussion. Those just joining i'd recommend reading the full thread before posting.

[Edited on 09.29.2009 3:58 PM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 11:13 AM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach
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you know, there WERE final builds of the gun inside of the ONI base that spartans used during first strike. surely they didn't make new guns while being trapped in the base, they were here before... so the final versions already existed and were in use back then.

and if you remove the battle rifle, then you basically make a game where someone with a sniper rifle will obliterate anybody else...

  • 09.28.2009 11:20 AM PDT

Steven

Though i enjoyed ODST very much, there will always be a place in my heart for the BR. If the BR were a lady, i would take her for long romantic walks on the beach. I would give her eskimo kisses as we lay suntanned beside the sea.

  • 09.28.2009 11:21 AM PDT

Better solution:
Make the BR semi-automatic (one bullet per trigger pull), and reduce it's damage, but increase it's accuracy over long ranges. Thus, it will become a medium-long range weapon, and weak in close range encounters.

Then, to compensate, reduce the bullet spread of the Assault Rifle slightly. And decrease melee power.

^The MA5K carbine was a weaker, stripped down version of the MA5B, it did not have a scope. But I DO want it in Reach, because I like the design.

[Edited on 09.28.2009 11:26 AM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 11:24 AM PDT

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if it does return, serious changes to its mechanics will HAVE to be made.
id more rather have a multiplayer experience like GOW2 where the tide of the encounter, where a player encounters another player, can change in an instant. however it HATE the shotgun in that game.

  • 09.28.2009 11:38 AM PDT

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you also have to remember that in halo 3 there is also the covenant carbine which is that one shot mechanic. i wouldn't at all be surprised if the carbine ended up replacing the battle rifle all together.

  • 09.28.2009 11:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: EchoGamer
Better solution:
Make the BR semi-automatic (one bullet per trigger pull), and reduce it's damage, but increase it's accuracy over long ranges. Thus, it will become a medium-long range weapon, and weak in close range encounters.

Then, to compensate, reduce the bullet spread of the Assault Rifle slightly. And decrease melee power.

^The MA5K carbine was a weaker, stripped down version of the MA5B, it did not have a scope. But I DO want it in Reach, because I like the design.


The semi-auto idea and reduced stopping power I don't mind but the BR is already used as a med to long range weapon in MM, and does a good job at it to.

I do know that the MA5K was a stripped version of MA5B,I accidentally put MA5C, and that it has less stopping power but they could increase it to compensate for removing the BR(if they do)

Yeah, but what I mostly want is to take away it's deadliness in close quarters, so that players are encouraged to use it at a distance, rather then rushing in with it and getting an easy four shot kill.

Think of the Covenant Carbine; it's good, but it still has limitations.
^ Another thing about the Covenant Carbine; it carries less ammo then the BR, and ammo for it is scarce, on most maps.

[Edited on 09.28.2009 11:46 AM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 11:42 AM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

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im just sick of hearing little kids yelling "Out BR'd" if you think about it, just that phrase right there...ugh!

who wins the encounter should not come down to who can "out BR" who...

im really crossing my fingers on this one. please bungie for the sake of good gameplay, take it out! Please!

[Edited on 10.25.2009 11:11 AM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 11:48 AM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

Tallahassee?
I spent two weeks in Tallahassee one night.

I think there might be one in campaign because they did have them as a prototype but if they are not in MM i am not buying it. Unless they bring the Halo CE pistol back. The AR is way underpowered AR games turn into team punchout. AR + Melee gets old Quick. At least the BR takes skill to aim they could make it one shot per trigger squeeze.

  • 09.28.2009 11:54 AM PDT

Get owned or get Out.

What I think should be done is I think the brute shot should take out 3/4s of a spartan's sheild making use of the blade and out meleeing other spartans when in such situation. Same with rockets, would you rather have a super soldier wack you with a rocket launcher or a pistol? Oh wait nevermind they both do the same damage. Or do we agree that they are equal according to a spartan's strength? /rant

  • 09.28.2009 11:54 AM PDT
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try not to get out br'd so much.... or use the mute button

  • 09.28.2009 11:58 AM PDT
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There WILL be a medium ranged weapon, whether it has a battle rifle skin, a magnum skin, or other. To think otherwise would be foolish.

  • 09.28.2009 12:02 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

The Pistol was much more fun to use, I actually found myself utilizing all weapons at my disposal, as opposed to the BR which I was able to simply run through the whole game of Halo 2 and 3 with.

I would love for the BR to disappear OR Become a very very rare weapon to aquire in both Multiplayer AND Campaign.

As well the Carbine should remain in the game, but be very rare in both Multiplayer and Campaign.

Another possibility would be to re-balance the BR and Carbine to do very little shield damage, like the Halo 2, and ODST pistols.

[Edited on 09.28.2009 12:05 PM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 12:03 PM PDT

Get owned or get Out.

I don't think that's what he's referring to as far as the BR goes. Just because you're good at winning BR fights doesn't mean it's thwe only weapon you like and should be in every Halo game thgis and that. Just saying because a lot of people seem to think so.

  • 09.28.2009 12:04 PM PDT

Posted by: TheRepoMan108
I think there might be one in campaign because they did have them as a prototype but if they are not in MM i am not buying it. Unless they bring the Halo CE pistol back. The AR is way underpowered AR games turn into team punchout. AR + Melee gets old Quick. At least the BR takes skill to aim they could make it one shot per trigger squeeze.

Stop it.

The BR does NOT take "skill" to aim, more so then any other weapon. 3 shot ANYWHERE on the body, and then you can strafe the cross hair over the head, and get a kill with any one of the three bullets. Not to mention, it fires so fast that missing two or three of you're shots won't spell disaster for you.

Every weapon in Halo 3 gives up something, in order to have an advantage. The Shotgun gives up range, the Sniper Rifle gives up rate of fire, the Assault Rifle gives up accuracy, Rocket Launcher gives up clip size, etc.

But the BR has the best of everything. High stopping power, high accuracy, fast rate of fire, long range, with a deep clip, and lots of spare ammo.

  • 09.28.2009 12:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
..Another possibility would be to re-balance the BR and Carbine to do very little shield damage, like the Halo 2, and ODST pistols.


I can agree with this. It's really not each individual bullet that kills you, it's the accurate burst. Just like the M16 in CoD4.

IMO, make it single shot, very slight damage increase per individual bullet, the kick of the ODST carbine that increases as it's shot rapidly, and a more shallow clip. We'll have a weapon that is good at long range, enough so that it can annoy a sniper or bring him down from a distance, and weak enough that it won't dominate at close range.

[Edited on 09.28.2009 12:25 PM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 12:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: EchoGamer
Posted by: TheRepoMan108
I think there might be one in campaign because they did have them as a prototype but if they are not in MM i am not buying it. Unless they bring the Halo CE pistol back. The AR is way underpowered AR games turn into team punchout. AR + Melee gets old Quick. At least the BR takes skill to aim they could make it one shot per trigger squeeze.

Stop it.

The BR does NOT take "skill" to aim, more so then any other weapon. 3 shot ANYWHERE on the body, and then you can strafe the cross hair over the head, and get a kill with any one of the three bullets. Not to mention, it fires so fast that missing two or three of you're shots won't spell disaster for you.

Every weapon in Halo 3 gives up something, in order to have an advantage. The Shotgun gives up range, the Sniper Rifle gives up rate of fire, the Assault Rifle gives up accuracy, Rocket Launcher gives up clip size, etc.

But the BR has the best of everything. High stopping power, high accuracy, fast rate of fire, long range, with a deep clip, and lots of spare ammo.

The BR is versatile, and it takes more skill to use effectively than any other weapon aside from the Sniper/Beam Rifle and the carbine.

Your "3 body shots + 1 bullet to the head" theory is wrong, in default settings it takes all 12 bullets to kill. First 11 take down the shields, and the last bullet to the head gets a kill. Any bullets miss, and you don't get the kill.

Also you say that, "it fires so fast that missing two or three of you're shots won't spell disaster for you", which is just plain wrong if you are playing anyone good. Usually when two good players get in a BR battle at close-medium range, the person who misses once will die, and if they miss twice they will certainly die.

How many weapons in Halo 3 emphasize headshots? Just 4, the BR, Carbine, Sniper Rifle, and Beam Rifle. Obviously, that means they take more aiming skill than every other weapon, because head shots are harder than body shots.

  • 09.28.2009 12:28 PM PDT

then if its a prototype weapon then why not jus make it semi-automatic. the BR is a good weapon. its jus a hard weapon to use then the assault rifle. common really holding down the trigger and aimimg at there body seem a little bit boring to me.

  • 09.28.2009 12:34 PM PDT

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then if its a prototype weapon then why not jus make it semi-automatic. the BR is a good weapon. its jus a hard weapon to use then the assault rifle. common really holding down the trigger and aimimg at there body seem a little bit boring to me.


Do you have any idea just how accurate and deadly the AR is at a good range if you burst well?

Hell, if they put a scope on the AR and people actually realized that you don't HAVE to spray the gun, that it's ridiculously powerful when you're skilled at bursting, nobody would ever pick up a BR. Ever.

  • 09.28.2009 12:38 PM PDT

The BR prototype was in use during First Strike. However here's my suggestion:
1. It is probably not as strong as the current BR.
2. Has a smaller clip.

  • 09.28.2009 12:39 PM PDT
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In 1st strike whwn there in the underground ONI office of doc hasley they have prototype BR and Pistol,

  • 09.28.2009 12:43 PM PDT