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Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach
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Posted by: ericstifer
Bungie said they don't like the battle rifle as it makes for stale repetitive encounters in multiplayer.


Who gave you this idea? I'd like to see a quote that specifically states this. If you can't supply me with proof, I'm going to by the notion that you made this point up.

The point that I stand by in the BR debate for Reach is that if the original Halo gameplay is still there, in order to have any sort of good, balanced mulitplayer, we NEED to have a medium range based weapon. If not, then everything becomes dominated by the Sniper Rifle/Beam Rifle (as they'd continually spawn trap).

Even then, Bungie would have to accomadate the new gameplay without any sort of medium ranged weapon, which means maps suited for close quaters. This'd be detrimental to gameplay, as you will have much more campers in the game than before, e.t.c.

I believe that the best way to reduce the BR's power without actually altering the weapon itself is by introducing more medium ranged based weapons that would close the gap between close range and medium range. An example is the ODST Pistol and ODST SMG. Include weapons like this and limit the BRs placed around the map and you'll have less BR usage (which people complain about how its so overpowered), but you still have weapons that fit the niche the BR and Carbine filled before, so gameplay isn't sacraficed (and could potentially be enhanced), but there's less BR dominance (as people say-in my games, BRs aren't as dominant as people make them out to be) in the average game.

EDIT: My opinion about the whole "it take 4 shots!11!!!!" Yes, but that's the bare minimum. In the average game, people will not consistently 4 shot people with the BR. For the average player, it's more like 5 to 7 shots. Good players can 4 to 5 shot consistently, but take note that they're better than the average player. It doesn't happen all the time.

[Edited on 09.28.2009 1:26 PM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 1:20 PM PDT
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Your Both Wrong 4 Well Placed Shots to the head and hes dead

  • 09.28.2009 1:22 PM PDT

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But the BR has the best of everything. High stopping power, high accuracy, fast rate of fire, long range, with a deep clip, and lots of spare ammo.

Thats exactly why it should be taken out in halo reach. it just makes the gameplay very stale. Equipment was an amazing idea, it mixes up the encounter and makes for intense gameplay, but when everyone is running around just trying to 4 shot each other with the BR it just kills what the equipment set out to do in the first place.

Bungie...please no BR :)

  • 09.28.2009 4:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: ericstifer
Bungie said they don't like the battle rifle as it makes for stale repetitive encounters in multiplayer.


Who gave you this idea? I'd like to see a quote that specifically states this. If you can't supply me with proof, I'm going to by the notion that you made this point up


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhr54txafQ8&feature=player _profilepage

go to 4:40 into the video and btw i hate you :)

they dont say they dont like it for that specific reason but thats my own opinion on the BR and what it does for multiplayer gameplay...

[Edited on 09.28.2009 4:49 PM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 4:46 PM PDT

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i could easily see them just splitting it into 2 weapons too. for example, the new smg and pistol. you have the smg for getting their shields down and then you have the pistol for the head shot kill. it would force the players to utilize both weapon slots at their disposal to win the encounter. i think bungie could easily experiment with this by making that ODST slayer but still have shields as well and no radar. the only problem with that is the duel wielding aspect of halo 3, which it would be interesting if they could turn that off...*wink*

  • 09.28.2009 5:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: ericstifer
But the BR has the best of everything. High stopping power, high accuracy, fast rate of fire, long range, with a deep clip, and lots of spare ammo.

Actually the BR doesn't have the best of anything, except versatility.


Weapons with more power
Rockets, Sniper, Beam, Laser, Shotgun, Mauler, Hammer, Sword


Weapons with more accuracy
Rockets, Sniper, Beam, Laser, Carbine is equal


Weapons with a faster Rate of Fire
AR, SMG, Spiker, Plasma Rifle, Carbine


Weapons with a longer range
Rockets, Sniper, Beam, Laser, Carbine is equal


The BR can kill 4 people with one clip. Weapons that kill 4 or more people before reloading
Rockets, Sniper, Shotgun

Weapons that can also match kills that fast but don't reload would be the Beam, Laser, Sword, and Hammer.


The BR doesn't dominate at any range and there are weapons better than it for every range. It's best range would be medium, but Rockets still beat it there so you can't say it dominates. What makes the BR a good weapon is that it is versatile, and that you can use it for almost every situation.

Every FPS needs a starting weapons that is well rounded and can perform adequately at almost every range, while not dominating at any. The BR fits this role and if it was removed gameplay would suffer because the game would become all about power weapons.

  • 09.28.2009 5:18 PM PDT

yes it was used in the book "The First Strike"
which is after reach fell and the spartans were still on the planet? I think. (correct me if I'm wrong)

Question is how far is the story line going to go.

  • 09.28.2009 5:23 PM PDT
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No battle rifle in REACH = Best idea evar.

  • 09.28.2009 5:23 PM PDT

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No battle rifle in REACH = Best idea evar

i think you and i are on the same page here! totally agree! :)

  • 09.28.2009 5:30 PM PDT

they could keep it for multiplayer so people won't be rushing to the computer and be -blam!-ing about it not being in halo reach. Also keep the pistols scope i like the scope on the pistol ,and it actualy would be funny for someone with a BR get killed by someone with the awsome pistol. But they can take the scope of the SMG i didn't care for it that much (in my opinion).

  • 09.28.2009 5:43 PM PDT
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No.

Posted by: z0rgy
you know, there WERE final builds of the gun inside of the ONI base that spartans used during first strike. surely they didn't make new guns while being trapped in the base, they were here before... so the final versions already existed and were in use back then.

and if you remove the battle rifle, then you basically make a game where someone with a sniper rifle will obliterate anybody else...


That's where the pistol comes in.

  • 09.28.2009 5:47 PM PDT

Spartan119 the Red Raven.
"So officer tell me how it feels to be at the wrong end of that barrel?"

Posted by: EchoGamer
Better solution:
Make the BR semi-automatic (one bullet per trigger pull), and reduce it's damage, but increase it's accuracy over long ranges. Thus, it will become a medium-long range weapon, and weak in close range encounters.


sounds like a weapon already in halo
the auto mag o.0

[Edited on 09.28.2009 5:51 PM PDT]

  • 09.28.2009 5:51 PM PDT

I miss the BR :( I really hope they bring it back.

  • 09.28.2009 5:52 PM PDT

ya i miss the br too but it does overpower other weponed what bugie trying to do is to let the player choes differnt type of weponed unlike in gow where everybody just use the shot gun so here what i think
1.Some how we got to think up with a idea that let the players choese diffrent weponed instade of just one main
2.In halo reach let there be more vecile esspcilyy tanks becuase most weponeds are uesless aganest tanks.

  • 09.28.2009 6:29 PM PDT

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The BR was fielded by 2531 (medics in Halo Wars use them) so they were around during the battle of Reach.

A Battle Rifle/Carbine-type weapon needs to exist. 3 rounds burst sucks for online play, both because it makes landing an unshielded headshot too simple, and because in normal games it's too inaccurate due to spread (even without spread like in Halo 2, only host had an accurate BR).

What we need is the BR to act identically to the Halo 1 Pistol, but instead of killing in 3 headshots it should take 5. To make the Carbine different, it should kill in 3 headshots, but should be a lot less accurate if fired repeatedly, and it would have "overpenetration" like the Snipers in Halo 1 and 3 (shots go through bodies).

  • 09.28.2009 6:38 PM PDT

make human weapons with the exception of sniper rocket shotty and smg to do almost nothing to shields take the assault rifle and br out. Make plasma weapon a starting weapon along with the automag or a new headshot weapon.

  • 09.28.2009 7:04 PM PDT

You do know that Reach took place just before Halo:Ce, and that Halo took place one to two weeks before Halo 2?

You do know that the prototype was around at the very beginning of the war, 27 years before Halo: CE?

  • 09.28.2009 7:13 PM PDT

Posted by: ericstifer
But the BR has the best of everything. High stopping power, high accuracy, fast rate of fire, long range, with a deep clip, and lots of spare ammo.

Thats exactly why it should be taken out in halo reach. it just makes the gameplay very stale. Equipment was an amazing idea, it mixes up the encounter and makes for intense gameplay, but when everyone is running around just trying to 4 shot each other with the BR it just kills what the equipment set out to do in the first place.

Bungie...please no BR :)

I actually agree with you, ericstifer.

  • 09.28.2009 7:15 PM PDT

We are the Halo Generation.

I'm goin' to go ahead and say that the Battle Rifle will be in the game.

If not, then the pistol from Halo:CE.

  • 09.28.2009 7:15 PM PDT

Posted by: ericstifer
i could easily see them just splitting it into 2 weapons too. for example, the new smg and pistol. you have the smg for getting their shields down and then you have the pistol for the head shot kill. it would force the players to utilize both weapon slots at their disposal to win the encounter. i think bungie could easily experiment with this by making that ODST slayer but still have shields as well and no radar. the only problem with that is the duel wielding aspect of halo 3, which it would be interesting if they could turn that off...*wink*

Once again, I agree with you, ericstifer.

  • 09.28.2009 7:18 PM PDT

Posted by: ericstifer
Seems to make sense since the battle rifle was not around back then...well technically it was as Sargent johnson was given a prototype in contact harvest. But that's beside the point.....
And I stopped reading, because you know what? Everything else you said was besides the point.

  • 09.28.2009 7:49 PM PDT

Posted by: z0rgy
you know, there WERE final builds of the gun inside of the ONI base that spartans used during first strike. surely they didn't make new guns while being trapped in the base, they were here before... so the final versions already existed and were in use back then.

and if you remove the battle rifle, then you basically make a game where someone with a sniper rifle will obliterate anybody else...


Not if you add a pistol like in ODST and balance the rest of the weapons.

  • 09.28.2009 8:52 PM PDT
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personally i haven't missed it in odst and the odst double exp weekend so if they decide to take it out finally to get rid of the mlg crap and the competitiveness so we can just play a game for fun i wouldn't mind :)

  • 09.28.2009 8:54 PM PDT

How come I never get the sniper rifle?!
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I hope there isn't one in any future halo game. Battle Rifle sucks.

  • 09.28.2009 8:55 PM PDT