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Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

Posted by: IkeScurvy
If there is a comparable weapon set to that of ODST in Reach, then Bungie would officially fail. Why? The ODST pistol is weak. Great for headshots. That is it.

The BR is a needed component in MM. It requires skill to use, and rewards a skillful user with quick, efficient kills. It would make no sense to bring the Halo:CE pistol back at this point, now that dual wielding is a feature in MM. That would just be uber-supreme overkill.

The BR provides long-medium range power, which is a needed component in MM.




that's true, but I've noticed in ODST, players are using a range of weapons now that the BR's gone. I think this should happen in MM since other weapons were used, which doesn't really happen in halo 3 MM. The BR should be taken out completely, I don't care if it was in first strike, it wasn't in halo 1 and everything was great that way. Maybe the AR should have a scope, or bring in the silenced SMG and pistol from ODST, see how that works out.

Either way, no BR. Not in campaign, not in multiplayer, not in the entire game.

  • 09.29.2009 6:29 PM PDT

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It wouldn't hurt to make weapons like Plasma Rifles, ARs, SMGs, and Spiker longer range. Thats the only reason I use the BR, all the other common weapons aren't as reliable range wise.

  • 09.29.2009 7:26 PM PDT

The BR will most likely not show up considering there were no BR models on the Pillar of Autumn, it may show up very sparingly though if that previous post about final models in the oni base.

  • 09.29.2009 7:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Blitzboy289
Posted by: IkeScurvy
If there is a comparable weapon set to that of ODST in Reach, then Bungie would officially fail. Why? The ODST pistol is weak. Great for headshots. That is it.

The BR is a needed component in MM. It requires skill to use, and rewards a skillful user with quick, efficient kills. It would make no sense to bring the Halo:CE pistol back at this point, now that dual wielding is a feature in MM. That would just be uber-supreme overkill.

The BR provides long-medium range power, which is a needed component in MM.




that's true, but I've noticed in ODST, players are using a range of weapons now that the BR's gone. I think this should happen in MM since other weapons were used, which doesn't really happen in halo 3 MM. The BR should be taken out completely, I don't care if it was in first strike, it wasn't in halo 1 and everything was great that way. Maybe the AR should have a scope, or bring in the silenced SMG and pistol from ODST, see how that works out.

Either way, no BR. Not in campaign, not in multiplayer, not in the entire game.

The problem with that, is weapons are no where near as numerous in MM. I kill 4 Grunts, and I have a couple Plasma Pistols, a couple needlers. The more I kill, the more numerous weapons are. That's not the case in MM. You have a starting weapon, maybe two. Then, you want to trade up for more useful weapons. Well, those go early. I kill 5 people, and I'll probably not get more than a couple weapons that I wouldn't have already started with.

Then ODST isn't going against people. Plasma Pistols, needlers, the SMG, etc, are way more useful, simply because the AI isn't near as smart as people. You can Noob Combo (Plasma Pistol/Pistol Headshot) Brutes like no other. Go Ahead and try it in Halo 3 MM, and you'll get stomped by any decent player. It's much easier to kill AI than it is to kill human players, and this makes more weapons useful against them.

In Halo:CE, we had the godly pistol. That was pretty much a perfect MM weapon, as it had a massive skill gap. The thing was, it made no real sense to have a pistol, or any other weapon for that matter, to be THAT powerful, so they added the BR. Don't even try to compare the ODST pistol to the CE pistol. They don't compare. I don't care what Bungie says. The only similarity is the scope. Bringing in the ODST pistol to replace the BR would be a wreck, and completely take out any skill involved.

  • 09.29.2009 7:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Landrack
The BR will most likely not show up considering there were no BR models on the Pillar of Autumn, it may show up very sparingly though if that previous post about final models in the oni base.
PoA =/= Reach.

  • 09.29.2009 7:51 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

Posted by: C Dirty 4
Reach essentially has put the "I" in "Team".


Remember, the enemy's gate is down

You know what? I think that Bungie should just finish off the job they started when they first designed Halo2. Which was taking a medium paced, large skill gap shooter, based on individual skill, aiming precision, and teamwork, into a watered down, 3 guns for everything, CQC melee and spray fest, map and weapon control based game, with a skill gap that couldn't differentiate between me and TSquared.

Sounds like an excellent plan to me.

[Edited on 09.29.2009 8:01 PM PDT]

  • 09.29.2009 8:00 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

In Halo First Strike, the BR is actually brought in. Weapons locker.
So is an unknown, Uber pistol.

  • 09.29.2009 8:00 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

They need to keep the BR. The lack of BR in ODST is keeping me from completely enjoying the game.

  • 09.29.2009 8:32 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

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Posted by: IkeScurvy
Bringing in the ODST pistol to replace the BR would be a wreck, and completely take out any skill involved.


or they could split the BR up in to 2 weapons...thats basically what they did in ODST. The BR in MM is a dominate weapon in the sole fact that it owns your shields and has a head shot ability on it. In ODST they have the SMG for draining shields and the pistol for the head shot. This forces the player to utilize both weapons at their disposal and not just relying on one over powered, should never have been created, gun.

[Edited on 09.29.2009 8:54 PM PDT]

  • 09.29.2009 8:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: IkeScurvy
Bringing in the ODST pistol to replace the BR would be a wreck, and completely take out any skill involved.


or they could split the BR up in to 2 weapons...thats basically what they did in ODST. The BR in MM is a dominate weapon in the sole fact that it owns your shields and has a head shot ability on it. In ODST they have the SMG for draining shields and the pistol for the head shot. This forces the player to utilize both weapons at their disposal and not just relying on one over powered, should never have been created, gun.

You clearly have never played Halo CE or Halo 2 if you think the Halo 3 BR is overpowered.

  • 09.29.2009 8:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lies
Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: IkeScurvy
Bringing in the ODST pistol to replace the BR would be a wreck, and completely take out any skill involved.


or they could split the BR up in to 2 weapons...thats basically what they did in ODST. The BR in MM is a dominate weapon in the sole fact that it owns your shields and has a head shot ability on it. In ODST they have the SMG for draining shields and the pistol for the head shot. This forces the player to utilize both weapons at their disposal and not just relying on one over powered, should never have been created, gun.

You clearly have never played Halo CE or Halo 2 if you think the Halo 3 BR is overpowered.


oh you can be sure that i have, the BR in halo 2 was even worse. Hit Scan weapons always are. Halo CE pistol dominated. But yes in all 3 games there has been that one weapon that clearly dominates all :/

  • 09.29.2009 9:01 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

Posted by: IkeScurvy
Posted by: Blitzboy289
Posted by: IkeScurvy
If there is a comparable weapon set to that of ODST in Reach, then Bungie would officially fail. Why? The ODST pistol is weak. Great for headshots. That is it.

The BR is a needed component in MM. It requires skill to use, and rewards a skillful user with quick, efficient kills. It would make no sense to bring the Halo:CE pistol back at this point, now that dual wielding is a feature in MM. That would just be uber-supreme overkill.

The BR provides long-medium range power, which is a needed component in MM.




that's true, but I've noticed in ODST, players are using a range of weapons now that the BR's gone. I think this should happen in MM since other weapons were used, which doesn't really happen in halo 3 MM. The BR should be taken out completely, I don't care if it was in first strike, it wasn't in halo 1 and everything was great that way. Maybe the AR should have a scope, or bring in the silenced SMG and pistol from ODST, see how that works out.

Either way, no BR. Not in campaign, not in multiplayer, not in the entire game.

The problem with that, is weapons are no where near as numerous in MM. I kill 4 Grunts, and I have a couple Plasma Pistols, a couple needlers. The more I kill, the more numerous weapons are. That's not the case in MM. You have a starting weapon, maybe two. Then, you want to trade up for more useful weapons. Well, those go early. I kill 5 people, and I'll probably not get more than a couple weapons that I wouldn't have already started with.

Then ODST isn't going against people. Plasma Pistols, needlers, the SMG, etc, are way more useful, simply because the AI isn't near as smart as people. You can Noob Combo (Plasma Pistol/Pistol Headshot) Brutes like no other. Go Ahead and try it in Halo 3 MM, and you'll get stomped by any decent player. It's much easier to kill AI than it is to kill human players, and this makes more weapons useful against them.

In Halo:CE, we had the godly pistol. That was pretty much a perfect MM weapon, as it had a massive skill gap. The thing was, it made no real sense to have a pistol, or any other weapon for that matter, to be THAT powerful, so they added the BR. Don't even try to compare the ODST pistol to the CE pistol. They don't compare. I don't care what Bungie says. The only similarity is the scope. Bringing in the ODST pistol to replace the BR would be a wreck, and completely take out any skill involved.


well I didn't say it was like the Halo CE pistol, but I guess it can still be used in MM since it isn't "overpowered". Also, the smgs and plasma weapons are pretty useful in MM,that so that pretty much takes out the reason for there to be a BR.

  • 09.29.2009 9:03 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach
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Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: Lies
Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: IkeScurvy
Bringing in the ODST pistol to replace the BR would be a wreck, and completely take out any skill involved.


or they could split the BR up in to 2 weapons...thats basically what they did in ODST. The BR in MM is a dominate weapon in the sole fact that it owns your shields and has a head shot ability on it. In ODST they have the SMG for draining shields and the pistol for the head shot. This forces the player to utilize both weapons at their disposal and not just relying on one over powered, should never have been created, gun.

You clearly have never played Halo CE or Halo 2 if you think the Halo 3 BR is overpowered.


oh you can be sure that i have, the BR in halo 2 was even worse. Hit Scan weapons always are. Halo CE pistol dominated. But yes in all 3 games there has been that one weapon that clearly dominates all :/

Halo CE was a great game, it had the best balance by far and the H1 pistol embarrasses the H3 BR. If anything the BR needs to be more powerful, making it less powerful would only degrade combat even further in the direction of grenade spamming, spray battles and power weapons.

  • 09.29.2009 9:05 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

i agree when i miss a shot playing any one over 40 then i usually die, lol well you do just have BKs, but any waythere is deffinetly more skill needed with the br

  • 09.29.2009 9:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: z0rgy
you know, there WERE final builds of the gun inside of the ONI base that spartans used during first strike. surely they didn't make new guns while being trapped in the base, they were here before... so the final versions already existed and were in use back then.

and if you remove the battle rifle, then you basically make a game where someone with a sniper rifle will obliterate anybody else...


Did you ever play Halo: CE multiplayer? Making sure someone didn't dominate with a sniper was easy, it's called suppresive fire.

  • 09.29.2009 9:11 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

Posted by: C Dirty 4
Reach essentially has put the "I" in "Team".


Remember, the enemy's gate is down

Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: Lies
Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: IkeScurvy
Bringing in the ODST pistol to replace the BR would be a wreck, and completely take out any skill involved.


or they could split the BR up in to 2 weapons...thats basically what they did in ODST. The BR in MM is a dominate weapon in the sole fact that it owns your shields and has a head shot ability on it. In ODST they have the SMG for draining shields and the pistol for the head shot. This forces the player to utilize both weapons at their disposal and not just relying on one over powered, should never have been created, gun.

You clearly have never played Halo CE or Halo 2 if you think the Halo 3 BR is overpowered.


oh you can be sure that i have, the BR in halo 2 was even worse. Hit Scan weapons always are. Halo CE pistol dominated. But yes in all 3 games there has been that one weapon that clearly dominates all :/


The Halo CE pistol did not "dominate all". It dominated mid-range, because it was the only mid-range weapon, but was not even close to the best weapon at any other level. Strafing it was easy at long range, and the plasma rifle, AR, and Shotgun tore it up anywhere inside mid-range.

People say the Halo: CE pistol was overpowered because of TSK. Fact is, even the best players could only 5-6 shot consistently, and ALL the weapons in Halo: CE were insanely powerful. That made the pace of the game faster. ALL weapons in Halo2 and 3 were toned down from their Halo: CE versions.

  • 09.29.2009 9:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Lies
Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: Lies
Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: IkeScurvy
Bringing in the ODST pistol to replace the BR would be a wreck, and completely take out any skill involved.


or they could split the BR up in to 2 weapons...thats basically what they did in ODST. The BR in MM is a dominate weapon in the sole fact that it owns your shields and has a head shot ability on it. In ODST they have the SMG for draining shields and the pistol for the head shot. This forces the player to utilize both weapons at their disposal and not just relying on one over powered, should never have been created, gun.

You clearly have never played Halo CE or Halo 2 if you think the Halo 3 BR is overpowered.


oh you can be sure that i have, the BR in halo 2 was even worse. Hit Scan weapons always are. Halo CE pistol dominated. But yes in all 3 games there has been that one weapon that clearly dominates all :/

Halo CE was a great game, it had the best balance by far and the H1 pistol embarrasses the H3 BR. If anything the BR needs to be more powerful, making it less powerful would only degrade combat even further in the direction of grenade spamming, spray battles and power weapons.

Oh yes, let's make the BR EVEN MORE powerful.

Hell, let's make it a one shot kill, fully automatic hit scan weapon.

The BR is the ONLY weapon that get's used in Multiplayer, and it's on every damn map, and completely dominates every other weapon. Don't say it doesn't, it does.

  • 09.29.2009 9:16 PM PDT

Posted by: C Dirty 4
Reach essentially has put the "I" in "Team".


Remember, the enemy's gate is down

Actually Echo, the BR should be more powerful. As should the AR, shotgun, and plasma weapons. All of their ranges should be increased also. I understand the "Golden 3" of Halo, but this game has put too much stress on melee and grenades. In the end it is still a SHOOTER and who has the best aim should play a much bigger part in all situations, not just ones with the BR and snipe involved as it is now.

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Posted by: HaVOk1228
Actually Echo, the BR should be more powerful. As should the AR, shotgun, and plasma weapons. All of their ranges should be increased also. I understand the "Golden 3" of Halo, but this game has put too much stress on melee and grenades. In the end it is still a SHOOTER and who has the best aim should play a much bigger part in all situations, not just ones with the BR and snipe involved as it is now.


I have to agree, melee and grenades are greatly overused when I think about it. Melee should be a "If i'm close go for it" attack not "Shoot-Run-Melee!"

  • 09.29.2009 9:24 PM PDT

Posted by: HaVOk1228
Actually Echo, the BR should be more powerful. As should the AR, shotgun, and plasma weapons. All of their ranges should be increased also. I understand the "Golden 3" of Halo, but this game has put too much stress on melee and grenades. In the end it is still a SHOOTER and who has the best aim should play a much bigger part in all situations, not just ones with the BR and snipe involved as it is now.

If all the weapons get upgraded to the point that they are all useful, that sounds perfect to me.

  • 09.29.2009 9:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: EchoGamer
Oh yes, let's make the BR EVEN MORE powerful.

Hell, let's make it a one shot kill, fully automatic hit scan weapon.

The BR is the ONLY weapon that get's used in Multiplayer, and it's on every damn map, and completely dominates every other weapon. Don't say it doesn't, it does.

Did I say I wanted a fully automatic 1 shot kill hitscan weapon? No, I didn't. I would like the pistol from Halo CE back, but that probably won't happen.

Hyperbole is a logical fallacy, let's try to avoid that shall we?

The BR dominates every weapon? Really?
It dominates rockets? Negative
It dominates sniper? Negative
It dominates shotgun? Negative
It dominates sword? Negative
It dominates hammer? Negative

The only range that the BR "dominates" is medium range, it gets beaten at long range by sniper, medium range by rockets, carbine, and the AR even has a decent chance. At close range it gets destroyed by the AR, Plasma Rifle, Spiker, SMG, Hammer, Sword, and Mauler.

Yea, I can really see that it dominates, good point. It's really funny, because it doesn't even dominate at medium range. As I said, rockets will beat it every time, but weapons like the sniper, carbine, and even the AR have a good chance at beating it.

  • 09.29.2009 9:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Lies
Posted by: EchoGamer
Oh yes, let's make the BR EVEN MORE powerful.

Hell, let's make it a one shot kill, fully automatic hit scan weapon.

The BR is the ONLY weapon that get's used in Multiplayer, and it's on every damn map, and completely dominates every other weapon. Don't say it doesn't, it does.

Did I say I wanted a fully automatic 1 shot kill hitscan weapon? No, I didn't. I would like the pistol from Halo CE back, but that probably won't happen.

Hyperbole is a logical fallacy, let's try to avoid that shall we?

The BR dominates every weapon? Really?
It dominates rockets? Negative
It dominates sniper? Negative
It dominates shotgun? Negative
It dominates sword? Negative
It dominates hammer? Negative

The only range that the BR "dominates" is medium range, it gets beaten at long range by sniper, medium range by rockets, carbine, and the AR even has a decent chance. At close range it gets destroyed by the AR, Plasma Rifle, Spiker, SMG, Hammer, Sword, and Mauler.

Yea, I can really see that it dominates, good point. It's really funny, because it doesn't even dominate at medium range. As I said, rockets will beat it every time, but weapons like the sniper, carbine, and even the AR have a good chance at beating it.


It doesn't dominate at medium range? Come on, at least be honest. It stops AR's in their track, destroys Spartan Lasers, and dual wielding is basically painting a huge target on you're face, while the Carbine doesn't have much ammo, and does less damage then the BR. The Sniper Rifle can stop the BR at long range, sure. Except, there's a pile of BR's on every map, and only a couple Sniper Rifles.

At close range, you'd think it would get it's ass handed to it, but no, it doesn't.

A single grenade, followed by a headshot kills anyone. But here's the best part; you get three bullets that spread out, so you can just "paint" the cross hairs over the targets head, and be guaranteed a kill. The same for a melee.

The Carbine has less ammo, takes more shots to kill, has a smaller clip, and usually has little ammo on the map.

I can't believe you even mention the Spiker, SMG, and Plasma Rifle. Dual wielding was nerfed.

Only a few weapons can stop a BR consistently; and even then only with specific circumstances. The Sniper Rifle at long range, the Spartan Laser at long range, the Shotgun/mauler/sword at point blank around a corner, and grenade spamming.

Yeah, I exaggerated in my original post, but the BR is still more powerful then the majority of the weapons in the game, and extremely abundant on most maps.

[Edited on 09.29.2009 9:58 PM PDT]

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Posted by: EchoGamer
Yeah, I exaggerated in my original post, but the BR is still more powerful then the majority of the weapons in the game, and extremely abundant on most maps.

You are right about the abundance, and even though i disagree with your use of the word power (I prefer veratile), I understand what you mean. I just hope that Reach is more like Halo CE where all the weapons were more powerful. Halo CE was more balanced than any other Halo game by far, IMO.

  • 09.29.2009 10:08 PM PDT

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it does not matter what weapon can beat a BR when everyone has one and is just trying to 4 shot each other the entire game.

BR = BAD GAMEPLAY... cant stress that enough.

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  • 09.29.2009 10:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: ericstifer
it does not matter what weapon can beat a BR when everyone has one and is just trying to 4 shot each other the entire game.


Your playing with exceedingly terrible players if that's all they are trying to do. That's not the fault of the game, that's the fault of the player.

BR = BAD GAMEPLAY... cant stress that enough.

You forgot to put "in your opinion" before "can't stress that enough", you did forget, right?

  • 09.29.2009 10:24 PM PDT