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Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

Lol I like how everyone complains about how they get 4 shotted
you have a low chance of getting 4 shotted because of halo 3s bullet regristration

ok you want a br gone so bad ok
play one custom game on pit with no br or carbine and leave snipe and rockets on the map. Now tell me which person wins. You'll probally say oh its fair and even. Pretty soon you won't be able to kill The sniper or rockets becaus you have all cqc weapons. The Ar is a cqc weapon
the br and carbine are the only weapons that even gameplay
they put the br to fill the gap

how is there abundance of brs on the maps?
The most is 4 to 6 and pit is the only one with 6
MLG is plaster with brs because it's our balance weapon we do run outta ammo

  • 09.30.2009 12:09 AM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

Do you all remember back in the day of HALO 2 release? THe trailer where chief landed in New Mombasa and the br + dual weilding was first introduced. It looked like a mission but it wasn't. The br doesn't fire IN 3s but a single bullet, much more like a pistol. So maybe instead of a Fustrating Br spray, we can go into 1 bullet per fire.

  • 09.30.2009 12:14 AM PDT

I'm fine with that
will require the br to have more skill to use

  • 09.30.2009 12:18 AM PDT

bungie has proven that a bunch of monkeys sitting in front of keyboards can randomly type out a masterpiece. the thing is, when you go to play the masterpiece, you cant help but notice all the monkey s**t smeared all over it.

it gets real old having to wait months for someone like mlg to clean off all the monkey poo.

Posted by: Blitzboy289
Posted by: IkeScurvy
If there is a comparable weapon set to that of ODST in Reach, then Bungie would officially fail. Why? The ODST pistol is weak. Great for headshots. That is it.

The BR is a needed component in MM. It requires skill to use, and rewards a skillful user with quick, efficient kills. It would make no sense to bring the Halo:CE pistol back at this point, now that dual wielding is a feature in MM. That would just be uber-supreme overkill.

The BR provides long-medium range power, which is a needed component in MM.



that's true, but I've noticed in ODST, players are using a range of weapons now that the BR's gone. I think this should happen in MM since other weapons were used, which doesn't really happen in halo 3 MM.

different weapons are used in odst because you are fighting different types of enemies. if it was just grunts, nobody would touch anything but the magnum and carbine. if there were only brutes it would be nothing but needlers and noob combo. in the end its an illusion of variety, as you are still only using the same 2 weapons on each enemy type.

matchmaking only has 1 enemy type. inevitably, most situations will be handled with just a few of weapons. the other weapons will only be useful in rare and unlikely situations.

the br is so prevalant because most of halo's weapons work only at point blank range- shotty, sword, plasma rifle, assault rifle. you have a dozen choices up close, but only 2-3 options at medium range. since you spend 90% of the game at medium range from your opponant, you have the fewest choices for the biggest chunk of gameplay.

  • 09.30.2009 2:22 AM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

Well I guess I better put some pants on.

I feel like I'm gonna break this thing!

I hope they only keep a few guns (if any), change them, and introduce a whole lot more.
We've largely been using the same weapons from Halo to ODST.

Posted by: XXcreativityXX
Do you all remember back in the day of HALO 2 release? THe trailer where chief landed in New Mombasa and the br + dual weilding was first introduced. It looked like a mission but it wasn't. The br doesn't fire IN 3s but a single bullet, much more like a pistol. So maybe instead of a Fustrating Br spray, we can go into 1 bullet per fire.
Like a UNSC carbine?

[Edited on 09.30.2009 2:32 AM PDT]

  • 09.30.2009 2:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: IkeScurvy
Bringing in the ODST pistol to replace the BR would be a wreck, and completely take out any skill involved.


or they could split the BR up in to 2 weapons...thats basically what they did in ODST. The BR in MM is a dominate weapon in the sole fact that it owns your shields and has a head shot ability on it. In ODST they have the SMG for draining shields and the pistol for the head shot. This forces the player to utilize both weapons at their disposal and not just relying on one over powered, should never have been created, gun.
Yup, instead, it'll be spray and pray and then whoever pulls out a pistol first. That doesn't take any skill. Not only that, it leaves you near defenseless against more than one enemy. If Halo MM was like ODST, then Halo MM would be complete trash.

The BR is not over-powered. You're just an idiot if you truly believe that. It's quite often beaten by the AR, at ranges that the BR SHOULD dominate at. It get's dominated at long range by the sniper. It get's dominated at short range by just about everything. It was created spefically because the Halo:CE Pistol was a tad overpowered for bungie's liking.

  • 09.30.2009 2:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: XXcreativityXX
Do you all remember back in the day of HALO 2 release? THe trailer where chief landed in New Mombasa and the br + dual weilding was first introduced. It looked like a mission but it wasn't. The br doesn't fire IN 3s but a single bullet, much more like a pistol. So maybe instead of a Fustrating Br spray, we can
go into 1 bullet per fire.


This is the exact answer to my prayers! NO ONE SAY THE CARBINE because the Carbine does not have that same type of explosive feeling that 1) was in the beta and 2) the same feeling you get when you headshot someone with the Automag in ODST.

  • 09.30.2009 4:27 AM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach
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you know, there WERE final builds of the gun inside of the ONI base that spartans used during first strike. surely they didn't make new guns while being trapped in the base, they were here before... so the final versions already existed and were in use back then.

and if you remove the battle rifle, then you basically make a game where someone with a sniper rifle will obliterate anybody else...


Did you ever play Halo: CE multiplayer? Making sure someone didn't dominate with a sniper was easy, it's called suppresive fire.

Yea, and that's because the Pistol was stronger than the BR. If you take out the medium range weapons, BR or carbine, the sniper will dominate. You can't scope him out fast enough at medium-long range with an AR.


Posted by: ericstifer
it does not matter what weapon can beat a BR when everyone has one and is just trying to 4 shot each other the entire game.

BR = BAD GAMEPLAY... cant stress that enough.

You know what happens in AR start games? If 2 good teams play each other the team that wins the opening rush wins, every time. In AR starts, the power weapons dominate everything else because there are no medium range weapons to keep them in check. In Halo CE the power weapons each performed well at their intended range and they took skill. In AR starts you can be sloppy and still get kills with them because someone with an AR is not going to stop you if you have a Sniper or Rockets.

Halo CE power weapons = Powerful weapons if used skillfully

Halo 3 power weapons in AR starts = Guaranteed kills

  • 09.30.2009 7:15 AM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

Breaking barriers.

there's nothing overpowered about the BR, i out AR a br at range every time, its simple physics. I think reach should include the br, but just have a few less br start gametypes and instead have maybe 3 playlists focused on br starts for a more competitive tilt, whereas the other ranked have a few br starts mixed into them

  • 09.30.2009 7:27 AM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach
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First off, AR is the stupidest gun i have EVER shot. i would use a pistol instead of the AR anyday and in any situation!
Posted by: anahum
there's nothing overpowered about the BR, i out AR a br at range every time, its simple physics. I think reach should include the br, but just have a few less br start gametypes and instead have maybe 3 playlists focused on br starts for a more competitive tilt, whereas the other ranked have a few br starts mixed into them


Two, that would be completely stupid is if reach didnt have BR's. It is 2009 and we have BRs....

THREE- Have any of you looked at the REACH picture above this forum? all the weapons they are holding are no different from halo 3 weapons. And one is clearly holding a BR...

wow. epic thread failure.

[Edited on 09.30.2009 8:02 AM PDT]

  • 09.30.2009 7:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: klegs iz beast
Lol I like how everyone complains about how they get 4 shotted
you have a low chance of getting 4 shotted because of halo 3s bullet regristration


Its not only bullet registration that prevents four shots from being achieved. Its the actual skill level of the players involved in a BR battle.

How often are people here in close enough range that they will even be able to achieve a four shot? Its hard as -blam!- to kill a moving opponent from the top of one base to another in four shots on top of snowbound, and that's half the distance across one of the smallest maps in the game.

Lets not forget that many BR kills happen because you are assisting teammates.

Even if you factor out team BRing, and you are in range where it is a good possibility you still have other things to worry about. Your opponents strafe can easily through you off in a BR battle. Not to mention if an opponent takes cover its going to take more shots to kill them. If your opponent turns tail and you can't seem to hit the back of his head because he is looking at the ground its going to take more shots to kill him.

I am far better than the average Halo player, or the average poster on these forums. All of those things considered, it probably takes me about 6 shots on average to kill an enemy with a BR. I know getting a 4 shot in default MM doesn't happen more than a few times per game for me for me. That's only the battles where I'm in a 1v1 position and close enough to even expect a 4SK, most of the times I'm not in that situation and only end up weakening that opponent or taking extra shots because of situation.

There is no way the average player can complain about the BR being some 4 shotting machine when I have above average players (35-45) IRL who I've seen play Halo in person and they are all exponentially worse with the battle rifle than me. If I had to guess, it probably takes the average Halo player 8 shots to kill someone with the battle rifle (and that's being nice) with all things considered.

The BR isn't overpowered. People over exaggerate its power and their ability to utilize it.

Posted by: Blitzboy289
that's true, but I've noticed in ODST, players are using a range of weapons now that the BR's gone. I think this should happen in MM since other weapons were used, which doesn't really happen in halo 3 MM. The BR should be taken out completely, I don't care if it was in first strike, it wasn't in halo 1 and everything was great that way. Maybe the AR should have a scope, or bring in the silenced SMG and pistol from ODST, see how that works out.

Either way, no BR. Not in campaign, not in multiplayer, not in the entire game.


The reason players use a variety of weapons in ODST is because there is no versatile weapon. Well, there is the carbine, but I most certainly didn't find enough of them lying around to even consider it versatile because I couldn't use it enough. You have to use different weapons because of all the different situations your in. Halo has gotten increasingly weapon role dependent with each new game in the series. ODST is really no different, except they eliminated the one readily available versatile weapon. If you use a weapon that's not good for the situation then you die, your forced to use other weapons by default.

Posted by: ericstifer
oh you can be sure that i have, the BR in halo 2 was even worse. Hit Scan weapons always are. Halo CE pistol dominated. But yes in all 3 games there has been that one weapon that clearly dominates all :/


No, there has always been one weapon that has always been the most versatile. There will always be that weapon unless Halo: Reach turns out to be a big game of only Team Snipers. Perhaps its not that the weapon dominates, but its your inability to judge when to use other weapons in the correct situation to defeat the battle rifle. I know I have no trouble beating the BR when I fight a BR wielder and I'm using a different weapon, because I always make sure I have the situational advantage which is what success in this game is centered around. You can't blame bad gameplay on poor player tactics.

Posted by: ericstifer
i know what you mean, but MLG will always be around. If they do take the BR out of course people are going to whine and -blam!- about it, especially the MLG guys. Look at what happened in halo 2. they ended up using a HIT SCAN weapon...i mean come on give me a break! and when bungie changed how that hit scan weapon worked for halo 3 they -blam!-ed about it. but here we are today and they are still playing halo 3. the MLG guys can just stay playing halo 3 because of no BR in halo reach thats fine by me. id rather have to use strategy to win my encounters then accuracy anyway because thats more fun and intense. thats why i like encounters in GOW2 :)


That's funny, Halo CE didn't have the battle rifle and MLG players didn't whine. In fact its a consensus on the MLG forums that Halo CE is the best game in the series and most players over there hate the battle rifle, at least in its current form. I'm pretty sure the Halo CE pistol was hitscan and that gun worked fine with that game. Not to mention many guns in Halo CE and Halo 2 were hit scan weapons.

Posted by: Echo
The BR does NOT take "skill" to aim, more so then any other weapon. 3 shot ANYWHERE on the body, and then you can strafe the cross hair over the head, and get a kill with any one of the three bullets. Not to mention, it fires so fast that missing two or three of you're shots won't spell disaster for you.


I'm going to take a quote from you here.

Stop it.

Have you never missed a 4 shot ever? For some reason I doubt it. Don't say it takes no skill when there are obviously people who are better at aiming it than you. Protip: Its because they have better aim (i.e. skill) than you do. In fact, I would be surprised if you yourself got more than one or two four shots per game in an average BR start gametype.

Maybe your used to playing people who run in straight lines, but I can recognize that no one is near reaching the full potential with the battle rifle. It is not an easy weapon to use. There are weapons in this game that do require more aiming skill, and some that require less.

[Edited on 09.30.2009 8:55 AM PDT]

  • 09.30.2009 8:31 AM PDT

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Reach essentially has put the "I" in "Team".


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  • 09.30.2009 8:40 AM PDT

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  • 09.30.2009 8:54 AM PDT

to all who say there shouldnt be a br type weapon so there isnt an mlg gametype....your killing halo
The MLG community is so huge at this point that if you don't make some kind of weapon that will support them they won't make the next game mlg and they will stay on halo 3 basically killing a lot of customers.
I know that for one my brother wouldnt buy a new halo game if it didnt have the competitive "pro" play type.

and people who choose to rant me out...I really dont care. I am neither pro nor con MLG. I think its kind of cool but Im not as into as most people. Im just looking at this in a marketing standpoint. Bungie has a huge market in this MLG.
Halo is like the face of MLG and it probobly provides a -blam!- loud of business.

[Edited on 10.02.2009 12:19 PM PDT]

  • 10.02.2009 12:08 PM PDT
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Halo CE > Halo 3 > Halo 2

Fix the Halo 3 BR spread, plz.

If there is no BR, there better be some kind of versatile mid range utility gun. Halo gameplay has always depended on this gun to have balanced gameplay. It doesn't specialize in killing at any specific range, and there are plenty of guns better at midrnage than it. Even in Halo CE, the pistol was no overpowered. Snipers shot increidbly fast and killed faster than pistols. Plasma Rifles slowed down pistol wielders and made their aiming slower as well, killing them if you could use the PR. The shotgun demolishes pistol users at close range. The rocket launcher was like a freaking nuke launcher in that game.

The key to balance is making every gun overpowered in it's own right. Almost every gun in Halo CE was overpowered because it filled a purpose. The only ones I can't see being overpowered were the AR and Needler and possibly the Plasma Pistol. Everything else had it's role.

  • 10.02.2009 12:22 PM PDT

looks like the BR is being held by whoever is standing in the center of the banner (i think its john, but thats another thread)

  • 10.02.2009 12:44 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

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Posted by: EchoGamer
Better solution:
Make the BR semi-automatic (one bullet per trigger pull), and reduce it's damage, but increase it's accuracy over long ranges. Thus, it will become a medium-long range weapon, and weak in close range encounters.

Then, to compensate, reduce the bullet spread of the Assault Rifle slightly. And decrease melee power.

^The MA5K carbine was a weaker, stripped down version of the MA5B, it did not have a scope. But I DO want it in Reach, because I like the design.


I agree. That will make the BR cool and not provide a recipe for repetitive encounters. If not that, then I would like to see the BR removed.

  • 10.02.2009 1:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: ericstifer
if it does return, serious changes to its mechanics will HAVE to be made.
id more rather have a multiplayer experience like GOW2 where the tide of the encounter, where a player encounters another player, can change in an instant. however it HATE the shotgun in that game.


agreed the shotgun in gow2 is way too overpowered and i hope the br is NOT in reach

  • 10.02.2009 1:24 PM PDT
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Putting the crosshairs on the opponent and pulling the trigger is bad? Isn't that how most people get kills?

  • 10.02.2009 1:37 PM PDT
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  • 10.02.2009 1:42 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

You cannot say whether or not a spartan is carrying a BR or AR in the picture because its a silhouette and plus it looks more like a BR when you zoom in. There's a bulge that looks like a scope coming off it so... unless there's and AR with a scope in this game then no that's not an AR. I'm all for the AR but I'm just saying you can't tell.

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  • 10.02.2009 1:47 PM PDT

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I hope its more than erasing the BR from reach. It would be awesome if they brought back some of the weapons from halo 1. Such as the AR and pistol. (btw the AR had a 60-round clip)I forgot other weapons but i hope they come back too.I think i might be wrong but didn't reach happen just before halo 1? Could someone reply with the answer? thanks.

  • 10.02.2009 1:58 PM PDT
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Seven is the greatest number. It's got references everywhere! And it wouldn't surprise me if it was the answer to existance. (42 is in the 7 times table, all you hitchhikers fans will know.)

Reach will probably be based during first strike (as well as other parts of the timeline) and you will probably follow Fred and Kelly etc. This meaning you enter ONI and find the battle rifle and new pistol.

Yes reach happened before halo 1, but if your playing as all spartans then you'll probably be playing the story of first strike.

...unless the story is streched back as far as the spartans original training.

[Edited on 10.02.2009 2:05 PM PDT]

  • 10.02.2009 2:04 PM PDT

yes reach is a little before halo 1. but like many have been saying "The First Strike" is also on reach. Basically the spartan survivors after the planet got iced.

now also in the first strike the spartans are given BR's

so i feel like it is posible that the BR will be in reach
(and I dont care if it was invented before this....this was the first time the spartans got ahold of one)
now my fealing is that it is very possible the story could go this far and then we will see some BR thus bringing it into multiplayer.

  • 10.02.2009 8:37 PM PDT