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Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

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Posted by: kalle90
If BRs were that rare on Reach, just make them very rare in the game too.

Carbines aren't a problem because you only get them from Covenant and they aren't on most multiplayer maps.

Carbines weren't around either until Halo 2. My assumption was it was a covenant copy of the UNSC projectile weaponry, but with a twist. It was specifically created to counter the range of human weaponry. But that is just my assumption really.

  • 10.19.2009 1:27 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

idea #1 Since everyone says the br is a bit too over powered(I agree), why don't we change it?

"NO!! but THAT will RUIN OUR FAVORITE GUN!!IT WON'T BE OUR OLD FRIEND ANYMORES!@!" whiny voice

what if...
you slow down the ROF by maybe 5-10% or so?

It will ballance it out perfectly and the effect won't be particularly noticeable. All the "MLG PROS" will think twice when they se an asualt rifle, that they are now equal and you don't need to use it on gardian solely. Even so, it would still be an effective and powerful weapon. Thus your favorite weapon is almost exactly as you remember it and you can still 4 shot like a pro.

Idea #2 also bungie, while you at it, change the rediculas position of the sniper's recticul, it really should be centered. If you cannot move the thing down, make a new animarion for it that make the rifles bottom get cut off or it be smaller.


Idea #1.1 Maybe as an alternative to changing the rof, make them much rare on maps; maybe 4-5 tops, and remove br starts. Now, no longer over so promonent. Bungie should ask mlg to do no more br starts, and put less br's on thier maps and vualah! fixed!

Idea #1.2 OR we could only slow the rof by 2-5% and do the above to less of an extreme, and ballancing it out

still like my 1st idea best tho

  • 10.19.2009 1:53 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

The ideas of changing the BR to effectively sit in the Halo weapon set are extremely numerous. No one change will fix it though.

  • 10.19.2009 1:55 PM PDT

i like me...

looks like we just have to wait for the December issue of the new EGM to get an answer

  • 10.19.2009 1:58 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

I'm just a guy like you that plays halo.

Posted by: EchoGamer
Better solution:
Make the BR semi-automatic (one bullet per trigger pull), and reduce it's damage, but increase it's accuracy over long ranges. Thus, it will become a medium-long range weapon, and weak in close range encounters.

Then, to compensate, reduce the bullet spread of the Assault Rifle slightly. And decrease melee power.

^The MA5K carbine was a weaker, stripped down version of the MA5B, it did not have a scope. But I DO want it in Reach, because I like the design.

That's a great idea, a semi-automatic BR would be very interesting!

  • 10.19.2009 2:03 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

I'm just a guy like you that plays halo.

Posted by: ericstifer
looks like we just have to wait for the December issue of the new EGM to get an answer

For what?

  • 10.19.2009 2:04 PM PDT

i like me...

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Posted by: ericstifer
looks like we just have to wait for the December issue of the new EGM to get an answer

For what?


any info on Reach

  • 10.19.2009 2:05 PM PDT

I'm just a guy like you that plays halo.

Posted by: ericstifer
Posted by: Katana Master
Posted by: ericstifer
looks like we just have to wait for the December issue of the new EGM to get an answer

For what?


any info on Reach

Or Bungie's weekly update.

  • 10.19.2009 2:06 PM PDT

There are those who said this day would never come. What have they to say now?

It won't be pulled. Things will be changed so it isn't as accurate and powerful.

Think back to Halo 2. Bungie hated how everyone just ran around dual wielding. So they re-added the AR, changed the needler from dual back to single. Then they made guns like the SMG less effective if used in duel wielding by increasing the time it takes to melee, therfore increasing the effectiveness of the AR in close quarters.

IE: The AR (and other changes) were used to dumn down duel wielding, and subsequently change the way Halo 2 multiplayer was played in comparison to Halo 3. Without actually removing duel wielding (in most cases).

  • 10.19.2009 2:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: ericstifer
Bungie said they don't like the battle rifle as it makes for stale repetitive encounters in multiplayer.


Could you provide a quote of this? I'm fairly curious when and who said this.

  • 10.19.2009 2:09 PM PDT

There are those who said this day would never come. What have they to say now?

Posted by: Blowfish1441
Posted by: ericstifer
Bungie said they don't like the battle rifle as it makes for stale repetitive encounters in multiplayer.


Could you provide a quote of this? I'm fairly curious when and who said this.


I can't get a quote for you, or the guy who posted this. But i'm fairly sure that was said, or at least the impression was given in an interview about changes for ODST. Where obviously the BR was discussed.

  • 10.19.2009 2:13 PM PDT
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Read everything if you want to comment, this is just gibberish otherwise.

well the way i have the AR set up in this Post the BR would not be Necessary, how ever the way i have the BR set it is balanced, and i do like the Idea of a HUMAN semi auto rifle.

1- The BR should stay, however have a different roll, the definition of a battle rifle is a gas operated riffle that fire a full sized rifle rounds like the 30-06, or the 7.62x51 which ironically the AR shoots. any way; right now the BR is the effective at all ranges "jack of all trades" weapon, that is the what an Assault rifle is for, i would like to see the BR semi auto so it is more accuracy oriented, instead of an other assault rifle, but it could work either way so i balanced both semi auto and burst BR

2- I think the AR should be the mid range jack o all trades weapon. like the AR in RFG where you have a slight zoom, becomes more accurate, and gets a smaller reticule. also make sound like the MA5B. i miss that wonderful noise. the definition of an assault rifle is a Gas operated rifle that fire an intermediate round. the AR fire a full sized rifle round however this makes sense do to the fact that the enemies a bigger.

so what about this

AR-
Slight Aim
Fire rate- 10/sec
shield damage- 16 rounds
Armor Damage- 4 rounds
Mag size-30
2 second kill

Burst BR-
4x zoom
fire rate 6 rounds/sec or 4 burst/sec
shield damage-13 rounds
Armor damage- 1 head shot 4 torso
roughly 2.5 second kill

Note: differences from halo 3; slightly weaker, and slightly higher fire rate

Semi-Auto BR-
4x Zoom
Fire rate- 4 rounds a sec
Shield damage- 9 rounds
Armor damage- 1 head shot 3-4 torso
Mag size-20
2.5 second kill

so in this case the AR kills faster then the BR, however with the AR you have to use burst fire to accurately hit your target at longer ranges; so the delay in fire rate allows the BR to win at longer ranges.

Halo for the Most parts takes place in close quarters
even the sniping bits, most the times you targets are under 60 meters from your position

effective ranges AR v BR in my scenario
"for reference Sandboxes pavement from end to end is 150m"

AR v BR optimum range point to blank 65m
BR v AR optimum range 65m and beyond
AR max effective range 500m
BR max effective range 900m

so this restricts the MA5s practical use to relatively close to mid range when engaging Elites Brutes and Spartans, how ever it is still functanal at longer ranges, and effective against weaker units at long range

as for the BR, it will normally get overwhelmed in close quarters however if you are good with grenades you could drop an opponents shield and get the head shot






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  • 10.19.2009 2:22 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: Agent Peeps
To those of saying that the BR reduces every encounter into repetitiveness. Please stop. I understand this is your opinion. I'm an average player at best I do not prefer the AR + beat down with every encounter. That is repetitive and infuriating in my opinion.

It isn't our fault you've forgotten about the PR, PP, Spiker, SMG, Pistol, Needler and Brute Shot that are also all good for mid-range encounters. AR + Melee is a good combination, but many weapons can beat it at their own ranges. That is why the AR is a good all-around gun but a bad gun at specific tasks. That is called balance.
Yes anyone who uses the BR immediately forgets and purposely neglects other weapons on the map. Do not assume that myself or another player who prefers the BR forsake all other weapons. My favorite combo is BR/SMG Or if I'm in tight hallways BR/mauler or shotty. Or on a vehicle heavy map I'll take the bruteshot as a back up. It's good against vehicles AND in close quarters. I understand the importance of all the weapons AND their specific uses. Including the AR. Each weapon in Halo has it's place on the field of play.

Just becuase the BR and Sniper are my top 2 TOD doesn't mean I don't understand how to use other weapons. Not that I should I have to explain myself but I will:

The BR being my number one TOD is a result of the amount of BTB I play. It's my favorite playlist and BTB (understandably so) is always BR starts. Where most fights happen between mid and long range.

The sniper is my number two TOD is a result of me enjoying the snipers hopper even though I'm not very good at it.

I can respect your view and you've made some valid points however don't assume that you know my tendencies as a player just because I prefer the BR over the AR.

  • 10.19.2009 9:53 PM PDT

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go to 4:40 into the video and btw i hate you :)

they dont say they dont like it for that specific reason but thats my own opinion on the BR and what it does for multiplayer gameplay...

in that case that was only one persons opinion not all of bungie

  • 10.20.2009 6:49 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

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I dislike games without rifles, I use rifles in all my games. I like games like COD where you can choose to spawn with an M16, just because thats how I roll.

  • 10.20.2009 6:59 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach
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Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: EvilGRAHAM 0
in that case that was only one persons opinion not all of bungie
What you failed to realize is that he's the Design Director at Bungie. So you could say that he calls the shots.

  • 10.20.2009 7:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: kalle90
If BRs were that rare on Reach, just make them very rare in the game too.

Carbines aren't a problem because you only get them from Covenant and they aren't on most multiplayer maps.

Carbines weren't around either until Halo 2. My assumption was it was a covenant copy of the UNSC projectile weaponry, but with a twist. It was specifically created to counter the range of human weaponry. But that is just my assumption really.


My hypothesis is that Bungie didn't flush out the sandbox in Halo CE.

The easy fix is that the pillar of autumn only had certain human guns, and that the covenant ships only had certain guns.

Also....I think that the armor other changes etc were never really explained. They don't need to be. The gameplay is more important.

  • 10.20.2009 7:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: EvilGRAHAM 0
in that case that was only one persons opinion not all of bungie
What you failed to realize is that he's the Design Director at Bungie. So you could say that he calls the shots.


No he was that for ODST...not Bungie.

  • 10.20.2009 7:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: Ksychutrya
No he was that for ODST...not Bungie.
True, his job description changes for each game but still, out of most of the people in Bungie, his voice is one of the most important. Also, i didn't see the other employees saying anything against it either. I'm sure they have already discussed the issue.

  • 10.20.2009 7:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Ksychutrya
No he was that for ODST...not Bungie.
True, his job description changes for each game but still, out of most of the people in Bungie, his voice is one of the most important. Also, i didn't see the other employees saying anything against it either. I'm sure they have already discussed the issue.


Cutting the BR from a SP game is different from cutting the BR from an MP game.

The BR would serve far less of a purpose in ODST.

Halo has no rifle without the BR.

  • 10.20.2009 7:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Ksychutrya
No he was that for ODST...not Bungie.
True, his job description changes for each game but still, out of most of the people in Bungie, his voice is one of the most important. Also, i didn't see the other employees saying anything against it either. I'm sure they have already discussed the issue.


Cutting the BR from a SP game is different from cutting the BR from an MP game.

The BR would serve far less of a purpose in ODST.

Halo has no rifle without the BR.

Plasma Rifle
Assault Rifle

  • 10.20.2009 7:08 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach
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Posted by: Ksychutrya

The BR would serve far less of a purpose in ODST.

Halo has no rifle without the BR.


1- the AR had no point in ODST it was still there

2- the AR could fill that gap if was an actually an assault rifle

the AK-47 is effective at 300m
just for reference the pavement on sand Box from end to end is 150m

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  • 10.20.2009 7:09 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach
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Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: Ksychutrya
Halo has no rifle without the BR.
Carbine? But i guess everyone forgets about it since it actually requires skill to use. But sure, i will assume that you mean a human rifle. They will probably end up bringing the Battle Rifle back but a modified version. Probably make it single shot or decreasing its damage.

  • 10.20.2009 7:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma3150
Halo has no rifle without the BR. [/quote]
Plasma Rifle
Assault Rifle


Those are really Sub Machine Guns.

They aren't rifles.

Rifles are mid to long range guns. Halo has no rifle other then the BR/Carbine. No the AR isn't a rifle. Its an SMG...you can't use the AR at rifle range.

  • 10.20.2009 7:11 PM PDT
Subject: Theory - There will be No Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach

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Posted by: Czar_CJ_Elm
Posted by: Ksychutrya

The BR would serve far less of a purpose in ODST.

Halo has no rifle without the BR.


1- the AR had no point it was still there

2- the AR could fill that gap if was an actually an assault rifle

the AK-47 is effective at 300m
just for reference the pavement on sand Box from end to end is 150m


I don't care what you call it...the BR is just an effective multi-purpose mid-range gun.

The AR is not a mid-range gun.

The AR is useless you are correct about that. However the marines need a gun to fire that isn't an ODST gun. So it has a purpose.

  • 10.20.2009 7:12 PM PDT