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Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

if knowledge is power and power corrupts, isn't knowledge therefore dangerous?
Black Tower

I thought this kinda absent-mindedly.
win.
solid win.

  • 10.01.2009 3:54 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

Posted by: mmmmmmmmmmmmort
Anybody consider that it's going so slowly because we are all trying to access it and it's not even supposed to be public yet?

Also, if that is the case, it means it's also slowing down for the employee...he's probably going to just get up and go to Outback for a nice Bloomin Onion and we're gonna all be left sitting here wondering what the heck just happened to our mystery man

My mind has officially been blown.

Thank you, sir.

  • 10.01.2009 3:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Latony99
My mind has officially been blown.

Thank you, sir.

I second thsis motion sirs.

  • 10.01.2009 4:02 PM PDT
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I can't believe it! I was studying the Renaissance all summer and I have not noticed any of these allusions in "Halo 3: ODST"! I am so BLIND!

Great work, though. You must be a highly-devoted student of Renaissance Literature in order to have noticed this reference in the game. What would Bungie think of next? Alluding to the Crusades in "Halo: Reach"?

  • 10.01.2009 4:19 PM PDT

Play trugh the final mission again and watch the cutscene again. if you pull the thumbstick left you can see nathan looking at a mysterius man in old clothes. any connection? sorry for the bad english.

  • 10.01.2009 4:47 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

*0rgasms*

*Dies*

  • 10.01.2009 4:54 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!
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Seven out of five people are affected by number illiteracy!

Bump for great justice!

  • 10.01.2009 5:05 PM PDT

"Don't you know? Spartans never die."

Scrapping the bottom of my brain here, a three week study of the Inferno can only go so far.

The Vestibule, an area surrounding the first and outermost layer of Hell was home to those who lived neither for God or Satan, and as such they were barred from Heaven and Hell.

I know it's been established that the city at night represents the dark wood of error, but it could also stand for the Vestibule.

Those in the Vestibule were stuck chasing a banner that was forever out of reach, all the while being stung by hoards of hornets and wasps.

If you do nothing in the city, you can collect up to 29 of the audiologs, but then (and this may be a glitch for me only, but bear with me, otherwise this won't work) Vergil will lead you through the office building leaving you at Dare's sunken crash site, with no clues outside the building. And while you're led on this false trail, more and more covenant threaten you, always arriving in hoards...

Like I said, this part may be a tad speculative, due to the possible glitch. Yet no matter what you do, if you choose to take no side but your own and do nothing but explore the city, you will be chasing an audiolog that is forever out of reach, you will have nothing to look foreward to as the story will not progress, and the Covenant will always be on your tracks, stinging you with their weapons.

I'll definately post again if I can think of anything else, but we are still looking for the three beasts, and as can be seen with my relation above, locations can have double meanings. Oh, and if you're in school, tell your english teachers about this, I think they'll be surprised to find a game with such depth.

  • 10.01.2009 5:54 PM PDT

Posted by: HoveringNebula
Scrapping the bottom of my brain here, a three week study of the Inferno can only go so far.

The Vestibule, an area surrounding the first and outermost layer of Hell was home to those who lived neither for God or Satan, and as such they were barred from Heaven and Hell.

I know it's been established that the city at night represents the dark wood of error, but it could also stand for the Vestibule.

Those in the Vestibule were stuck chasing a banner that was forever out of reach, all the while being stung by hoards of hornets and wasps.

If you do nothing in the city, you can collect up to 29 of the audiologs, but then (and this may be a glitch for me only, but bear with me, otherwise this won't work) Vergil will lead you through the office building leaving you at Dare's sunken crash site, with no clues outside the building. And while you're led on this false trail, more and more covenant threaten you, always arriving in hoards...

Like I said, this part may be a tad speculative, due to the possible glitch. Yet no matter what you do, if you choose to take no side but your own and do nothing but explore the city, you will be chasing an audiolog that is forever out of reach, you will have nothing to look foreward to as the story will not progress, and the Covenant will always be on your tracks, stinging you with their weapons.

I'll definately post again if I can think of anything else, but we are still looking for the three beasts, and as can be seen with my relation above, locations can have double meanings. Oh, and if you're in school, tell your english teachers about this, I think they'll be surprised to find a game with such depth.


>_> google the 30th audio log for odst.

  • 10.01.2009 6:03 PM PDT

and thats what the bigman said

Posted by: Danves
First off, I'd like to say thank you to Bungie for making an incredible game yet again! And I'd also like to say that Dante's Divine Comedy is one of my favorite pieces of classic literature. More of this in time.

As a note, I am neither for or against any religion mentioned in this post, it is purely from the standpoint of literature. I am discussing a novel, not religion.

----SPOILER WARNING-----

If you haven't beaten the game yet, what are you doing cruising the forums? Go play!

So there was this little novel written a while ago, by this one guy named Dante. It was a political satire, meant to make examples of current members of society and the Church at the time, but it's main influence is that of the views of Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven. And what does all this have to do with ODST, I can hear you all asking. Well, more than you think.

I haven't analyzed the entire game for references, this is mostly just dealing with the Rookie's story.

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The Rookie has crash landed into a building, has been knocked unconscious, and has awoken later to find himself alone in the city. The city is now quite literally Hell on Earth. But the Rookie is not truly alone. He has a guide through this hell, the SuperIntendent.

Through the audio logs in the campaign, we come to find that the name of the SI is actually VERGIL. And you may have noticed that audio logs are all labeled "# Circle," all the way up to 9. Interesting.

In the Divine Comedy, specifically the Inferno, Dante is guided through Hell by the Roman poet, Virgil. Hell consists of nine circles, each more horrible and punishing than the last. The circles of Hell spiral down into the Earth, to it's very core.

After you find out the fate of your squad, the Rookie heads underground to locate DARE. You find yourself on the 8th level of VERGIL's data center. You need to locate Dare, who is on the 9th level. Fancy that. After much fighting, you find yourself on the 9th level, which happens to be almost completely frozen...

The 9th circle of Hell, in the Inferno, is actually cold. Ice cold. The punishment here is for that of Treason. The higher the crime, the more encased in ice you shall be. The very center of the 9th circle is where Satan himself resides, encased in ice up to his waist, beating his wings, whose gusts of air cause the 9th circle to be encased in ice. Satan himself has three faces, and each is chewing on the three (at the time) greatest betrayers. Their punishment for betraying their lords and benefactors is to be eternally gnawed on by Satan himself.

The Rookie and DARE finally reach VERGIL's core, and there they find the source of this whole fiasco. The rogue Engineer. He has chosen to betray his benefactors, his lords, the entire whole of the Covenant itself. And they are literally coming to chew him to pieces.

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There you have it folks. My analysis, and hypothesis, and all other sorts of -sis. I've only played through campaign once, but there may be even further references to the Divine Comedy. There are 9 levels of purgatory before one reaches Paradise(Heaven). If someone could confirm how many sections of freeway there are in the final level, we may have our answer. The escape at the end of the game could very well be the escape from Purgatory.

If anyone else has more references to levels of Hell, or to any of the other campaign character's stories, please let me know, I'd be interested to see how far they have taken this. For further reference, hit up Wikipedia, it's pretty extensive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_comedy

Thanks so much to whoever stuck around and dealt with my massive post. Happy Haloing to you all.

tl;dr: Go read a book =P


-----ADDITIONAL FINDINGS-----

Posted by: Overlord Jebus
Maybe each of the 9 circles of audio logs each represent their circle?

I can already think of gluttony and lust off the top of my head.


Thanks for bringing this up, we need to just double check to make sure that each "Circle" of audio logs corresponds to the sin of that particular circle of Hell, which I already know it does.

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Posted by: Danves
Posted by: Brent G
OP, you mentioned that Satan has 3 heads that chew on the 3 greatest betrayers? And that the brutes were coming to "chew" on Vergil?

How appropriate that there were 3 of them knocking on his door.


Kickass! How sure are you? I've only played the campaign through once.


I'm pretty much 100% sure. There's two at the doorway trying taunting Vergil, and a Chieftain behind them.


Yet another connection, possibly. If anyone can confirm this for sure, that would be amazing. The pieces seem to be falling into place =)




dude imma have to say that is a very cool way of thinking about it and i think that is a great analysis....really cool way of putting things and i think u may ne on to something you should look more into it and keep us posted

  • 10.01.2009 6:08 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

Posted by: Dallas Green
I make a legitimate thread on the most logical choice for the next Bond actor, and you take that away from me by creating a parody thread indirectly connecting my thread to yours.

I hope your kids have bad influences and develop bad personalities. I wish this with all my heart.

Well put together, had a clear, sophisticated thesis, cited your sources, creative title...*scribbles/types/burps*
You get an A+!

  • 10.01.2009 7:39 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

You can't haz.

/facepalm. I payed $60 for an animated Poem.

  • 10.01.2009 8:26 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

A government should fear it's people not the other way round.

Hah hah. thats awesome.

  • 10.01.2009 8:33 PM PDT

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Posted by: Snappyguy
That's awesome. I've just been looking for the number 42, some mice, or a pan galactic gargle blaster so I can reference my favorite book to ODST.

Lol. How about the words "don't panic?" That might be easier to find. Or a towel.

  • 10.01.2009 8:50 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

Furry At Heart,
Furry Forever óÓÒò

Supreme mastery therefore, is not to be victorious in all your battles; supreme excellence is to be victorious without fighting.

"Love is composed of a single soul inhabiting two bodies. "

Wow. That is really intriguing. Great theory.

  • 10.01.2009 9:00 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

Posted by: WTFWHERESURHEAD
you know... bungie probably didnt even intend it to be this way its probably a random happening that you just found to match up with the game... for some reason each halo game has to have some religious crap evolving around it... then again... i did hear mickey (in kizingo blvd.) when i got a head shot on a grunt "praise jah! jah is short for jehovah, jehovah = jehovahs witnesses... oh god this game is fricken religious... D=

Actually, it's more likely Mickey is Jewish. However, Dutch is most likely fundamental Baptist.

Honestly, I think that it's great that Christianity is (potentially) well represented in a video game. It just goes to show that Christians are normal people, and if I remember correctly Marty is a Christian as well.

Besides, Bungie has the right to put whatever they want in their games.

  • 10.02.2009 1:31 AM PDT
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Raising the bar on idiot for several years now.

good god! you realy did your homework on this one. Good job

  • 10.02.2009 2:27 AM PDT

Don't take life too seriously, no one gets out alive anyway.

Australia

Wow....cool find

  • 10.02.2009 3:45 AM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

Posted by: Dropship dude
No, acnboy. Spartain Ken 15 is a lesser being. Much like the bacteria that lives in your shi­t.
Posted by: mike120593
My shi­t bacteria takes offense to that comparison.

Don't make me lel. You won't like me when I lel.

Posted by: Sladgen
Posted by: WTFWHERESURHEAD
you know... bungie probably didnt even intend it to be this way its probably a random happening that you just found to match up with the game... for some reason each halo game has to have some religious crap evolving around it... then again... i did hear mickey (in kizingo blvd.) when i got a head shot on a grunt "praise jah! jah is short for jehovah, jehovah = jehovahs witnesses... oh god this game is fricken religious... D=

Actually, it's more likely Mickey is Jewish. However, Dutch is most likely fundamental Baptist.

Honestly, I think that it's great that Christianity is (potentially) well represented in a video game. It just goes to show that Christians are normal people, and if I remember correctly Marty is a Christian as well.

Besides, Bungie has the right to put whatever they want in their games.

True, they can do what they want, but I see the covenant's religious zealotry as an in-joke against religion.

On the Dutch note, he is definitely a fundie, on the mission where you play as Buck in the Banshee, Dutch calls some guy a 'Heathen'. This is intolerance, and fundametalists are silly (I don't mean that if you are a fundie you are stupid, though a great deal are, just that stupid people fall into fundamentalism far easier).

Religion has never been well-represented in Halo, instead it bears the brunt of an insane amount of mockery and in-jokes.

  • 10.02.2009 6:40 AM PDT

8/5/08 Bungie Favorites- NoEnd
7/1/09 Bungie Favorites- RECON Devil
9/9/09 Bungie Favorites- Champion
5/22/10 HaloCharts Favs- Prey

kick-ass work, so. . .when my mom says I'm wasting my time on nothing, I can say I'm learning

  • 10.02.2009 7:32 AM PDT

We discussed your thread a bit on the episode of Podtacular that we recorded last night and specifically "shouted out" Danves and NinjaTheory. Thanks a bunch for working on this!

The episode #205 will be posted sometime between Sunday and Tuesday. In the meantime you can check out our past 4 years of Halo discussions on the site.

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  • 10.02.2009 7:36 AM PDT

Social Infection

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article902014.ece

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x45w75_reinvente-ton-jeu_ext reme

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Sweeett.

  • 10.02.2009 7:45 AM PDT
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Never ague with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Is this the 7th step Bungie was talking about? They have subliminally taught us about biblical... stuff, and they now control our minds? aaahhh!

  • 10.02.2009 9:23 AM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

I am a pharmaceutical scientist. I received my Masters degree in Pharmaceutics from the University of the Sciences in Philadelphia in 2010, after working as a Pharmacist for 4 years. I currently work in King of Prussia, PA, and focus on the analytical chemistry of small molecule APIs. My clients include some of the most well known big pharma companies in the world.

Posted by: Latony99
My mind has officially been blown.

Thank you, sir.
/agree

I need time to process this. How in the hell do they come up with this stuff and implement it into their games??? Totally epic win.

Must go replay campaign...and read the Divine Comedy!

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  • 10.02.2009 9:42 AM PDT