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Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

"Strive for improvement through every day to become the best you can"

Just wanted to say "Well done!" to the OP for his skills of perception and his educated nature. This, indeed, is a great offering to the community and you should be proud for making this discovery before everyone else. Some other people stated similar and interesting things - both in and out of this thread - but the fact that you dedicated the time and effort to bring all this info to the light earns you my respect.

Excellent work my friend.

  • 10.12.2009 1:34 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

Don't ask about the name-- it's a long story

Actually, the Rookie ends up in the 7th level doesn't he? Or is my memory failing me again at such a tender age?

The 2nd Circle is Lust, isn't Commissioner Kinslow in 2 Circle?

The 3rd Circle is Gluttony, is the Kebab man in 3 Circle?

The 4th Circle is Avarice, is the Crone with the ATM machine in front of the casino in 4 Circle?

[Edited on 10.12.2009 4:59 PM PDT]

  • 10.12.2009 4:12 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

No matter how many times I forget about this place, I always get dragged back.

I'm more than okay with that.

This thread must be saved for great justice!

*saves thread*

Now I must look into getting all them there audio logs.

  • 10.12.2009 7:46 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

Yesssirrrr!

Nice find man. You could easily use this on an English project asking for the influence of literature in modern culture. LOL.

  • 10.12.2009 7:48 PM PDT

Angel

the three heads = to the prophets..... there where three each standing for something different

  • 10.12.2009 9:56 PM PDT

http://www.zombacant.com/

"I kind of hate you people. You are like the guy who "solved the secret of sandtrap" a few months ago. We have a good game. We like the game. The game likes us. There are one or two things that kind of don't make sence. THEN YOU MORONS COME IN WITH BIBLICAL REFERENCES AND F#@$ UP THE WHOLE THING!.

Now whenever I play I will be thinking of this, and how Bungie puts little messages in the game, AND I WILL GO INSANE!!"

Yo Ryguy Not biblical. Dante did not write the Bible, The Inferno was a social satire most of which critiqued the terrible things that the church had done like say offering to pay your way into heaven. Regardless, its not that a few things here don't make sense and the religious folk are jumping to conclusions, the game is basicly a Sparknote article of the entire poem. Both main characters are knocked unconcious on the way to the city, both pass through evil people being punished for their crimes (greedy lady crushed by atm, homicidal police man shot by firing squad), the final level an underground land of ice. The point is that what Bungie has done is taken an amazing and classical piece of literature akin to works like the Odyssey or Shakespear's plays and integrated it into their own story. It was not done to anger over-sensitive and uninformed gamers like you who want any excuse to fly off the handle, but instead to enrich the entire experience and make it more enjoyable by asking you to use your brain. Were sorry thats to taxing for you.

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  • 10.12.2009 10:42 PM PDT
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Gee.
Bungie must be pissing their pants now :)
Good job cracking there case.

  • 10.14.2009 9:13 AM PDT
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Taking the time and putting the effort like this into a game only makes it greater. I may sound like a brown-noser here but I absolutely love it when game developers incorporate hidden meanings and such into video game.

*Slow claps*

  • 10.14.2009 9:55 AM PDT

Posted by: SonicJohn
Posted by: Top_Gun_2021
because when you least expect it... -BAM!-.
...said dah laydey.


Vidmasters: DONE

Hell-jumpers
Dropping into hell
9 circles.
Dear god, it all makes sense now.
In all honesty though that was pretty damned clever.

  • 10.14.2009 4:19 PM PDT

So really...just the audio files were the poem. Which we didn't play through. And it kind of makes sense as it was written by Fourth Wall, the same people behind I Love Bees. Why would they get Fourth Wall to write a story that they could write and save money? Fourth Wall brang something to the table and this was it.

  • 10.15.2009 5:52 AM PDT

"There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself."

Good to know the game was a complete rip...

I wonder what the lawsuit would look like if Dante were alive...

I reside currently/constantly at/in 7.

  • 10.15.2009 7:09 AM PDT

wow pretty bad ass thread dude. makes the game better for some reason

  • 10.15.2009 7:28 AM PDT

I can't believe I got warm by a fire fed with my manuscript. What a nightmare.

Posted by: Terensire
"I kind of hate you people. You are like the guy who "solved the secret of sandtrap" a few months ago. We have a good game. We like the game. The game likes us. There are one or two things that kind of don't make sence. THEN YOU MORONS COME IN WITH BIBLICAL REFERENCES AND F#@$ UP THE WHOLE THING!.

Now whenever I play I will be thinking of this, and how Bungie puts little messages in the game, AND I WILL GO INSANE!!"

Yo Ryguy Not biblical. Dante did not write the Bible, The Inferno was a social satire most of which critiqued the terrible things that the church had done like say offering to pay your way into heaven. Regardless, its not that a few things here don't make sense and the religious folk are jumping to conclusions, the game is basicly a Sparknote article of the entire poem. Both main characters are knocked unconcious on the way to the city, both pass through evil people being punished for their crimes (greedy lady crushed by atm, homicidal police man shot by firing squad), the final level an underground land of ice. The point is that what Bungie has done is taken an amazing and classical piece of literature akin to works like the Odyssey or Shakespear's plays and integrated it into their own story. It was not done to anger over-sensitive and uninformed gamers like you who want any excuse to fly off the handle, but instead to enrich the entire experience and make it more enjoyable by asking you to use your brain. Were sorry thats to taxing for you.



I agree. This game isn't an attempt at subliminal evangelism. None of the Halo games are. The writers of the game's plot simply embedded references to some of the most influential works of literature of all time into the storyline. There's nothing religious about it and there's no need to dig deep to find out a greater "message" in the game.

I'm going to contrast this to something like Fight Club because a lot of us have seen the movie or read the book. That book is FILLED with references to so many things, mostly popular culture. But that doesn't necessarily mean, as most of us know, that the book is about popular culture itself. And if anyone thinks that it is, then they're thinking in the absolute wrong direction from what the point really is.

Another work of literature that is said to have a lot of Christian themes embedded in it that a lot of us read as children is The Chronicles of Narnia series, which I personally read and enjoyed when I was younger and even still I think they're good books but I had no idea that C.S. Lewis was making ANY religious references or themes in them until I was in my senior year of high school and one of my literature classes pretty much dissected it. I'm not religious personally. I was raised in a Southern Baptist household so I'm familiar with Christianity, but the more references that I found in this series of books the more I was like "Wow. This is pretty well thought out."

I see it as more like an easter egg hunt. Some of the things you see are obvious and some of them take an educated mind to understand or take time and research to be able to put together. But none the less, they're all there for everyone's enjoyment no matter who we are or what part of society we belong to.

You'd be surprised, though, at how many modern works make references to classic ones.



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  • 10.15.2009 1:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Vengeful Donkey
I played a book?

GET IT OFF ME!!!

  • 10.15.2009 1:45 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

It's all in good fun!

I'm studying that book right now. In fact, was working on it less than an hour ago. I never noticed that though. Nice post. -Save Thread-

  • 10.15.2009 1:50 PM PDT

In 1845, Master Chief & Chuck Norris met at a pub in Ireland. They made a bet as to who could eat more potatoes in one sitting. By 1852, they had both eaten so many potatoes that there weren't enough to feed the Irish people, subsequently causing the deaths of 25% of the entire population of Ireland. History attributes it to a pathogenic water mould, Phytophthora infestans, but the Irish know the truth, and to this day, still refer to it as "The MC & Chuck Norris Irish Massacre."

Danves and Bungie just asploded my brain. Nice job!

  • 10.15.2009 2:11 PM PDT

"Through vigilance and strength we create peace"
- Luminoth Creed

I don't know if anyone has said anything about this but,
the Schism between the Elites and the rest of the covenant has actually religious refrence too.
Muslims had a split like this one between the Sunnies(over-all covenant) and the Shiites(elites), that has very particular impact on their society.
At least I think all of that is right....
Anyway more info for the brain.

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  • 10.15.2009 2:25 PM PDT

WhiteCastles,Beer, and Halo3; HELLLLL YEAH BIATCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is more evidence to back up your theory; I found this:

http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3f ileid=97972588

http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3f ileid=97972696

That's right its the the Dark Prince Himself!!!!

  • 10.15.2009 5:38 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

-pie iz good
~o rly
-ya rly
~sadpandaface

I read that poem!!


Good job OP!

  • 10.16.2009 7:20 AM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!

Why does Bungie put us through such avid anticipation?

I dont think the game is based on Dantes inferno. But with the new information you showed me, it leads me to believe that there are hints to the inferno in ODST.

I say inferno because you fail to mention purgatory or heaven, but neither allusions are in ODST.

  • 10.17.2009 8:20 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

Why does Bungie put us through such avid anticipation?

Posted by: soccerjedi2007
Here is more evidence to back up your theory; I found this:

http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3f ileid=97972588

http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3f ileid=97972696

That's right its the the Dark Prince Himself!!!!

Sorry to burst your bubble but those are just textures that have also been found in Halo 3.

  • 10.17.2009 8:21 PM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through a classic novel, hah!
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Posted by: FenixRaquen
I dont think the game is based on Dantes inferno. But with the new information you showed me, it leads me to believe that there are hints to the inferno in ODST.

I say inferno because you fail to mention purgatory or heaven, but neither allusions are in ODST.


Never said that there were any allusions to Purgatory or Paradise. I'm extremely skeptical of anything past Inferno references actually, since those are pretty darn solid. Someone posted a link to an article on the previous page, I believe, where Fourth Wall (the people who did Sadie's Story) said that the Inferno was very heavily referenced.

  • 10.17.2009 11:46 PM PDT

"Dude, what are you doing right now?"
"Uhh... Heh, my mom."
"Dude... What?"

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Posted by: FenixRaquen
I dont think the game is based on Dantes inferno. But with the new information you showed me, it leads me to believe that there are hints to the inferno in ODST.

I say inferno because you fail to mention purgatory or heaven, but neither allusions are in ODST.


Never said that there were any allusions to Purgatory or Paradise. I'm extremely skeptical of anything past Inferno references actually, since those are pretty darn solid. Someone posted a link to an article on the previous page, I believe, where Fourth Wall (the people who did Sadie's Story) said that the Inferno was very heavily referenced.


Leave it up to the smart child to ruin my gaming experience[s?] forever.


But still, good find. <3

  • 10.18.2009 12:01 AM PDT
Subject: Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

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UCLA - Aerospace Engineering

Pretty nice.

  • 10.18.2009 12:13 AM PDT