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Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.

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Can Bungie make the assualt rifle a decent weapon? One that doesn't encourage random spraying then beat-downs or is that exactly its point? If so, It's rather useless.

  • 09.29.2009 7:11 AM PDT

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Can Bungie make the assualt rifle a decent weapon? One that doesn't encourage random spraying then beat-downs or is that exactly its point? If so, It's rather useless.
How is the AR not a decent weapon? I use it quite effectively in matches all the time.

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Posted by: Nihilistic NG
Can Bungie make the assualt rifle a decent weapon? One that doesn't encourage random spraying then beat-downs or is that exactly its point? If so, It's rather useless.
How is the AR not a decent weapon? I use it quite effectively in matches all the time.

by decent he means a weapon that takes a little skills to use, not 6 bullet + melee or just 13 bullets with extreme bullet magnetism and power to help you.

you know, a decent weapon, you have to aim to use it correctly... hum... like... I dunno... THE BATTLE RIFLE?

  • 09.29.2009 7:17 AM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

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Posted by: Toa Freak
Posted by: Nihilistic NG
Can Bungie make the assualt rifle a decent weapon? One that doesn't encourage random spraying then beat-downs or is that exactly its point? If so, It's rather useless.
How is the AR not a decent weapon? I use it quite effectively in matches all the time.

by decent he means a weapon that takes a little skills to use, not 6 bullet + melee or just 13 bullets with extreme bullet magnetism and power to help you.

you know, a decent weapon, you have to aim to use it correctly... hum... like... I dunno... THE BATTLE RIFLE?
Please, the battle rifle takes very little skill to wield. And besides, at the core Halo is about having fun, not skill. If you don't like the weapon go play in the MLG, Swat, or Snipers playlists.

  • 09.29.2009 7:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Nihilistic NG
Can Bungie make the assualt rifle a decent weapon? One that doesn't encourage random spraying then beat-downs or is that exactly its point? If so, It's rather useless.
How is the AR not a decent weapon? I use it quite effectively in matches all the time.

by decent he means a weapon that takes a little skills to use, not 6 bullet + melee or just 13 bullets with extreme bullet magnetism and power to help you.

you know, a decent weapon, you have to aim to use it correctly... hum... like... I dunno... THE BATTLE RIFLE?


Why do people instantly compare the AR with the BR? They're two completely different weapons with different purposes.

The AR was made specifically for rush then beat down, or just unload the entire clip on someone. Machine Guns are made that way (though it falls into the SMG branch).

The BR was made for medium range to long range combat. Sure, its also useful as hell for close combat, but an AR would destroy it in that situation.

Because the BR is semi-auto, it shoots 3 bullets at a time, making it more accurate and in need of a skillful person using it. The AR is full-auto, so all you would have to do is hold the trigger down.

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Posted by: Nihilistic NG
Can Bungie make the assualt rifle a decent weapon? One that doesn't encourage random spraying then beat-downs or is that exactly its point? If so, It's rather useless.
How is the AR not a decent weapon? I use it quite effectively in matches all the time.

by decent he means a weapon that takes a little skills to use, not 6 bullet + melee or just 13 bullets with extreme bullet magnetism and power to help you.

you know, a decent weapon, you have to aim to use it correctly... hum... like... I dunno... THE BATTLE RIFLE?
Please, the battle rifle takes very little skill to wield. And besides, at the core Halo is about having fun, not skill. If you don't like the weapon go play in the MLG, Swat, or Snipers playlists.


your tools of destruction : beatdown and AR. your ratio : inferior to 1, and hardly above 1.
mine : BR, high ratio superior to 1.3 in both social and ranked after 5000+ games in total.

I have plenty of fun per games. sorry if I use a superior weapon.
you see, I have to take time to aim, stay at a safe distance and lead my shots. I dont just rush, spray and beatdown, and I am rewarded for using superior skills. is that wrong to win when you use better weapons and skills? I dont think so.

  • 09.29.2009 7:25 AM PDT

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.

Put simply in the words of Nietzsche as "the will to nothingness".

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Posted by: Toa Freak
Posted by: Nihilistic NG
Can Bungie make the assualt rifle a decent weapon? One that doesn't encourage random spraying then beat-downs or is that exactly its point? If so, It's rather useless.
How is the AR not a decent weapon? I use it quite effectively in matches all the time.

by decent he means a weapon that takes a little skills to use, not 6 bullet + melee or just 13 bullets with extreme bullet magnetism and power to help you.

you know, a decent weapon, you have to aim to use it correctly... hum... like... I dunno... THE BATTLE RIFLE?
Please, the battle rifle takes very little skill to wield. And besides, at the core Halo is about having fun, not skill. If you don't like the weapon go play in the MLG, Swat, or Snipers playlists.

And the assualt rifle takes more? I would have alot more fun if the assualt rifle was a tad more versatile, like the battle rifle (thanks z).

  • 09.29.2009 7:30 AM PDT

it's good to be a supersaiyan !

Yes you are superior...oh no wait...you are just full of it.

Yes it takes more skill to use the BR properly from a distance (and close range as well for that matter), but like someone else already said in this thread, is that the BR is for close combat. Meaning rush and bash. Yes this takes less skill, but it is a lot of fun.

I'm guessing you are the kind of guy who starts yelling and screaming when he gets owned by someone using an AR.

It's all just fun and games. The great thing about Halo is that it has something for every kind of game style. DEAL WITH IT!

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do me a favor and quote where I said "the BR is superior to the AR in every single aspects, even at close range, I can obliterate anybody with a BR" ?


... yea, you cant. because you didn't read correctly.

the br is for mid to long range. ar is for close range. people who cry about being owned by the br think the ar is for mid to long range.
and these persons are the ones who think the AR should have the range and power of a sniper rifle with the clip and rate of fire of the SMG. who needs other weapons when you have an AR? so let's remove every other guns because they're "overused and overpowered and overrated".

  • 09.29.2009 7:35 AM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

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Posted by: Toa Freak
Posted by: z0rgy
[quote]Posted by: Toa Freak
by decent he means a weapon that takes a little skills to use, not 6 bullet + melee or just 13 bullets with extreme bullet magnetism and power to help you.

you know, a decent weapon, you have to aim to use it correctly... hum... like... I dunno... THE BATTLE RIFLE?
Please, the battle rifle takes very little skill to wield. And besides, at the core Halo is about having fun, not skill. If you don't like the weapon go play in the MLG, Swat, or Snipers playlists.


your tools of destruction : beatdown and AR. your ratio : inferior to 1, and hardly above 1.
mine : BR, high ratio superior to 1.3 in both social and ranked after 5000+ games in total.

I have plenty of fun per games. sorry if I use a superior weapon.
you see, I have to take time to aim, stay at a safe distance and lead my shots. I dont just rush, spray and beatdown, and I am rewarded for using superior skills. is that wrong to win when you use better weapons and skills? I dont think so.
The BR is not superior. I can't tell you how often I am "rewarded" for rushing in, gun blazing, and following with a beat down.

I love the BR, and use it quite often, but I use other weapons too. The BR is quite in effective at short range, especially when compared to the SMG or AR. You sir, are just one of thousands who thinks he is superior because he will pick the BR over other, just as effective, weapons. Shut up and go home.

  • 09.29.2009 7:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: z0rgy
[quote]Posted by: Toa Freak
by decent he means a weapon that takes a little skills to use, not 6 bullet + melee or just 13 bullets with extreme bullet magnetism and power to help you.

you know, a decent weapon, you have to aim to use it correctly... hum... like... I dunno... THE BATTLE RIFLE?
Please, the battle rifle takes very little skill to wield. And besides, at the core Halo is about having fun, not skill. If you don't like the weapon go play in the MLG, Swat, or Snipers playlists.


your tools of destruction : beatdown and AR. your ratio : inferior to 1, and hardly above 1.
mine : BR, high ratio superior to 1.3 in both social and ranked after 5000+ games in total.

I have plenty of fun per games. sorry if I use a superior weapon.
you see, I have to take time to aim, stay at a safe distance and lead my shots. I dont just rush, spray and beatdown, and I am rewarded for using superior skills. is that wrong to win when you use better weapons and skills? I dont think so.
The BR is not superior. I can't tell you how often I am "rewarded" for rushing in, gun blazing, and following with a beat down.

I love the BR, and use it quite often, but I use other weapons too. The BR is quite in effective at short range, especially when compared to the SMG or AR. You sir, are just one of thousands who thinks he is superior because he will pick the BR over other, just as effective, weapons. Shut up and go home.

cool story bro.
the above post is also a reply to this, jackass.

[Edited on 09.29.2009 7:44 AM PDT]

  • 09.29.2009 7:43 AM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

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Posted by: Toa Freak
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: Toa Freak
Posted by: z0rgy
[quote]Posted by: Toa Freak
by decent he means a weapon that takes a little skills to use, not 6 bullet + melee or just 13 bullets with extreme bullet magnetism and power to help you.

you know, a decent weapon, you have to aim to use it correctly... hum... like... I dunno... THE BATTLE RIFLE?
Please, the battle rifle takes very little skill to wield. And besides, at the core Halo is about having fun, not skill. If you don't like the weapon go play in the MLG, Swat, or Snipers playlists.


your tools of destruction : beatdown and AR. your ratio : inferior to 1, and hardly above 1.
mine : BR, high ratio superior to 1.3 in both social and ranked after 5000+ games in total.

I have plenty of fun per games. sorry if I use a superior weapon.
you see, I have to take time to aim, stay at a safe distance and lead my shots. I dont just rush, spray and beatdown, and I am rewarded for using superior skills. is that wrong to win when you use better weapons and skills? I dont think so.
The BR is not superior. I can't tell you how often I am "rewarded" for rushing in, gun blazing, and following with a beat down.

I love the BR, and use it quite often, but I use other weapons too. The BR is quite in effective at short range, especially when compared to the SMG or AR. You sir, are just one of thousands who thinks he is superior because he will pick the BR over other, just as effective, weapons. Shut up and go home.

cool story bro.
Come up with that all on your own?

  • 09.29.2009 7:44 AM PDT
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read the edit, sherlock.

  • 09.29.2009 7:49 AM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

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read the edit, sherlock.
I did. Before I responded, I might add.

  • 09.29.2009 7:59 AM PDT
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well you're one of them.

"oh crap he used a MID TO LONG RANGE WEAPON the way it is supposed to be while I tried to use a CLOSE QUARTER WEAPON for a LONG RANGED FIGHT and I lost!? wtfomfg! it's so overpowered! *goes on bungie's forums to demand the BR is removed from matchmaking, halo 3, odst and reach because it's overpowered, overused and soooooooo overrated, while there are thousands of people who rush and spray with their AR, then insults people who understand how the game works and tell them to "shut up and go home"*"

  • 09.29.2009 8:04 AM PDT

it's good to be a supersaiyan !

I know you didn't say that the BR is superior in every way, but you did say that you feel like you are rewarded with more skill and K/D ratio because of your "superior" game style using the BR...so obviously you are a BR fanboy.

I just don't feel like putting one weapon above any other. It's all fun to me man.

and to quote what you said:

your tools of destruction : beatdown and AR. your ratio : inferior to 1, and hardly above 1.
mine : BR, high ratio superior to 1.3 in both social and ranked after 5000+ games in total.

I have plenty of fun per games. sorry if I use a SUPERIOR WEAPON.
you see, I have to take time to aim, stay at a safe distance and lead my shots. I dont just rush, spray and beatdown, and I am rewarded for using SUPERIOR SKILL. is that wrong to win when you use better weapons and skills? I dont think so.


[Edited on 09.29.2009 8:10 AM PDT]

  • 09.29.2009 8:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Nihilistic NG
Can Bungie make the assualt rifle a decent weapon? One that doesn't encourage random spraying then beat-downs or is that exactly its point? If so, It's rather useless.



Well that's what it's used for lol. If you don't like it, don't use it, if you don't like people who use it, then kill them, if you're too bad too be able to kill them then stop complaining and practice up, don't blame it on their "Cheapness". Or you can just quit Halo, that's good too.

EDIT: It's not really for that purpose but if you can't kill the users, stop blaming it on Bungie or the weapon, it's just you sucking. And if I frankly don't care if I get killed by it. I barely use it and I use the BR even less.

[Edited on 09.29.2009 8:15 AM PDT]

  • 09.29.2009 8:13 AM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

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well you're one of them.

"oh crap he used a MID TO LONG RANGE WEAPON the way it is supposed to be while I tried to use a CLOSE QUARTER WEAPON for a LONG RANGED FIGHT and I lost!? wtfomfg! it's so overpowered! *goes on bungie's forums to demand the BR is removed from matchmaking, halo 3, odst and reach because it's overpowered, overused and soooooooo overrated, while there are thousands of people who rush and spray with their AR, then insults people who understand how the game works and tell them to "shut up and go home"*"
I have never come here to request the removal of the BR, and was personally disappointed when I heard of it's removal from ODST. I do not find it overpower or overused. I personally use it as often as I do the BR, depending on how close or far away an enemy is or other factors that occur in that particular encounter.

I do find it overrated because of idiots like yourself who praise it like a gorram god and complain about "non-skilled" weapons like the AR. It sickens me. Both weapons have their usages, and neither is superior.

  • 09.29.2009 8:14 AM PDT

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.

Put simply in the words of Nietzsche as "the will to nothingness".

Alright enough of this, you both make valid statements but freak how can you say the BR isn't a superior weapon? Scope, headshot capable and a longer range. What does the AR have in comparison? Automatic fire and not capable of headshots, I'm not impressed.

  • 09.29.2009 8:16 AM PDT

Amazing how a thread about the AR turns into "LULZ I CAN SWING MY E-PEEN HARDER!".

The advantage to the BR is it's already in an "idiot-proof" burst mode, does headshots, and it has a scope. Not to mention it technically has four kills per clip.

This makes it a much easier to use weapon than the AR, the AR just gets a bad rep because "pros" think they know the ins and outs of it. The AR works fine. Too many people seem to think it works the same way as an SMG and only spray it when it can be shot in quick 2-shot bursts extremely accurately, and I'm talking normal BR distance not using a scope. The AR does more damage per bullet than the BR, has a faster fire rate, and it's quite possible to drop a person's shields and even kill them about as fast as the BR can.

Seriously, if the put a scope on the AR, and people actually knew how to use it, nobody would touch the battle rifle.

They should bring back it's old sound definately, but otherwise I can't think of any reason to change it drastically.

  • 09.29.2009 8:17 AM PDT

it's good to be a supersaiyan !

lol

touche man! I concede...

  • 09.29.2009 8:18 AM PDT
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I did say "superior weapon" ... but obviously I don't mean it's superior in every aspects. anybody with an AR can kill me at close range, and it'd be the same for MLG players (they'd get killed too). I used "superior weapon" as in "superior weapon in mid to long ranged combat, compared to the AR".

sorry but the BR is superior to most other weapons at mid to long range, and you need more skills to use it correctly than just rush and melee like everybody do with the AR, it's a fact.
using 2 thumbs, tapping the trigger and jumping to avoid some bullets while maintaining some distance take more skills than pressing the trigger, rushing and melee...

  • 09.29.2009 8:19 AM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

Posted by: Nihilistic NG
Alright enough of this, you both make valid statements but freak how can you say the BR isn't a superior weapon? Scope, headshot capable and a longer range. What does the AR have in comparison? Automatic fire and not capable of headshots, I'm not impressed.

I don't find it superior based on experience. It's about 50/50 that I find one winning over the other in my matchmaking experience. Sometimes the AR wins, sometime the BR wins, and sometimes both players die.

  • 09.29.2009 8:19 AM PDT
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Can Bungie make the assualt rifle a decent weapon? One that doesn't encourage random spraying then beat-downs or is that exactly its point? If so, It's rather useless.
How is the AR not a decent weapon? I use it quite effectively in matches all the time.

by decent he means a weapon that takes a little skills to use, not 6 bullet + melee or just 13 bullets with extreme bullet magnetism and power to help you.

you know, a decent weapon, you have to aim to use it correctly... hum... like... I dunno... THE BATTLE RIFLE?
Please, the battle rifle takes very little skill to wield. And besides, at the core Halo is about having fun, not skill. If you don't like the weapon go play in the MLG, Swat, or Snipers playlists.

And the assualt rifle takes more? I would have alot more fun if the assualt rifle was a tad more versatile, like the battle rifle (thanks z).


AR=Close to Med
BR=Med to long.
Settled.

  • 09.29.2009 8:22 AM PDT

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