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Subject: Adapt or die! The conclusion to the BR vs AR hate.
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  • 09.30.2009 12:32 PM PDT

I hate the BR

AR for the win

the br sucks thats why they didnt put it in odst

because the pistol rocks its ass and theirs no mlg pros which are the people that ruin every video game

  • 09.30.2009 12:37 PM PDT

Blah blah blah, I'm sick off people who can't accept both of them. They are both good for different situations. The end.

  • 09.30.2009 12:38 PM PDT
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...Does anyone really read these?

Posted by: Leader AleX
Blah blah blah, I'm sick off people who can't accept both of them. They are both good for different situations. The end.

BAM!

  • 09.30.2009 12:40 PM PDT

I still said that I was tired of Br VS Ar stuff. I just gave my opinion. I was never against you.

  • 09.30.2009 12:41 PM PDT

I hate the BR

wow what a geek looking at my stats and 2500 of those are custom games just to let you know and I can say ass all i want when you go to this page it sometimes says dont make us kick your ass so if bungie can use it I can use it

  • 09.30.2009 12:42 PM PDT
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china called. you know the rest.

  • 09.30.2009 12:43 PM PDT
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im always right.

  • 09.30.2009 12:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tonoottu
Posted by: ittle dwarf
china called. you know the rest.

that's kind of against the forum rules you know?
Btw if you cant manage to read a small amount of text then don't bother going to college, since there you actually HAVE TO READ OMG


just as well, cos i dontt intend on going to america to go to college. and :O over here we have to use PARAGRAPHS to get decent marks. WOW!

  • 09.30.2009 12:50 PM PDT

I hate the BR

why dont you watch this

type it in on youtube
bungie pax panel 7 and 8

  • 09.30.2009 12:52 PM PDT

Lets have the Halo 3 assualt rifle to start a game and the Halo 1 Pistol as secondary. BR/SMG starts, Carbine/PR or Spiker start

  • 09.30.2009 12:52 PM PDT
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ok, on topic: i like Br, and Ar, they are very nice and all, and i would be happy to see them noth in reach. however, wouldnt they only be in the last mission or sth anyway?

sure, keep them in for matchmaking though. otherwise there isnt really a replacement.

  • 09.30.2009 12:54 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

OP, you miss two very important things with your rant. One, and the most important, is that the "adapt or die" approach works both ways, if it's removed, then BR lovers should just suck it up to. You don't ever see that mentioned when people try to tell the AR pushers to deal do you?

Second, and almost as important is that the BR, no matter how much anyone loves it, is entirely unbalanced. You don't have to be good or bad to know this. The reason it is the weapon of choice is because of it being overpowered, otherwise you'd notice a larger spread among the top-tier players.

I'd also like to add that your response above in regards to a persons rank shows that you are on the ignorant side of the pro-BR arguement. If you feel rank affects a persons ability to recognize something as obvious as imbalanced gameplay, then you do not belong anywhere near an intelligent conversation.

  • 09.30.2009 1:02 PM PDT
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i dont like html. nice spotting on my english fails, you should become an english teacher. they dont really need to write for long enough to need paragraphs either. you should be great!

writing with paragraphs makes it easier to read. i have a life, lovin it so far. <<<<< oh no! i did it again. time to get your red pens out.....

maybe i did totally miss your point. ah well. nice spotting AGAIN. <<<<< oh no! caps lock!!! the dreaded enemy! get awaaay form meeeeee!

  • 09.30.2009 1:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tonoottu
Posted by: SweetTRIX
OP, you miss two very important things with your rant. One, and the most important, is that the "adapt or die" approach works both ways, if it's removed, then BR lovers should just suck it up to. You don't ever see that mentioned when people try to tell the AR pushers to deal do you?

Second, and almost as important is that the BR, no matter how much anyone loves it, is entirely unbalanced. You don't have to be good or bad to know this. The reason it is the weapon of choice is because of it being overpowered, otherwise you'd notice a larger spread among the top-tier players.

I'd also like to add that your response above in regards to a persons rank shows that you are on the ignorant side of the pro-BR arguement. If you feel rank affects a persons ability to recognize something as obvious as imbalanced gameplay, then you do not belong anywhere near an intelligent conversation.

Touché
But my approach was from both sides. And i doubt people would want to be shooting mid range distances with a close range weapon am i right?
I never said that the rank made you hate the BR, but hating the BR leaves you at a certain rank. I don't notice imbalanced gameplay since if for example it's BR starts then both teams have the same potential in getting map control, simple as that.


as they do with AR starts. and no, i wouldnt like to see my shotgun killing aircraft a couple of hundred metres away like halo wars. i hope that never happens.

  • 09.30.2009 1:07 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: Tonoottu
Posted by: SweetTRIX
OP, you miss two very important things with your rant. One, and the most important, is that the "adapt or die" approach works both ways, if it's removed, then BR lovers should just suck it up to. You don't ever see that mentioned when people try to tell the AR pushers to deal do you?

Second, and almost as important is that the BR, no matter how much anyone loves it, is entirely unbalanced. You don't have to be good or bad to know this. The reason it is the weapon of choice is because of it being overpowered, otherwise you'd notice a larger spread among the top-tier players.

I'd also like to add that your response above in regards to a persons rank shows that you are on the ignorant side of the pro-BR arguement. If you feel rank affects a persons ability to recognize something as obvious as imbalanced gameplay, then you do not belong anywhere near an intelligent conversation.

Touché
But my approach was from both sides. And i doubt people would want to be shooting mid range distances with a close range weapon am i right?
I never said that the rank made you hate the BR, but hating the BR leaves you at a certain rank. I don't notice imbalanced gameplay since if for example it's BR starts then both teams have the same potential in getting map control, simple as that.


This is where you, and several other BR promoters, are mistaken. Due to how effective a BR is, having BR starts offers an immediate advantage to those who are good with them. Due to the AR's natural limitations, it doesn't matter how good you are with one, you can only do so much at it's limited range. The BR falls into the same realm as the sniper, if you spawn everyone with snipers for whatever reason, there will be a distinct advantage to those who prefer the weapon.

AR starts are nuetral, you all get the same basic weapon and if desired, you look for something better. BR starts offer immediate fire lane camping to those who play that way, and immediate map control to the stronger player, without them really having to work for it. The BR is the only weapon in the game that functions consistently well outside of it's intended range. For a midrange weapon it can contend with a sniper and drop an AR in the right hands, that is the very definition of imbalance.

In it's current skin the BR should not continue to be in Halo games. If they were to refine it that would be a different story, but as it stands, the map design and weapon load-outs do not match the BR. Ask most Halo critics that play other FPS games competively, one of their biggest issues is the laughable advantage of the BR. Though the typical retort of the BR supporter is "only bad kids don't like it" (not accusing you directly) that is a very convoluted view, and shows nothing more than an absolute single-mindedness due to the love of the easiest weapon to boost stats with.

In regards to the other issue, even mention rank in any context of these conversations draws a poor picture of where your coming from. A good example, I'm only a Major or something, with no games played in the last few months, the reason? I'm very tired of playing Halo3: BR, where you need to rely on a single weapon to stay competitive. It isn't hard, it's boring. In Halo CE you had to diversify and know how to do more than just grab the BR and camp a firing lane.

Further proof needed that there is something wrong with the BR? Why do pro's (in this context MLG) prefer one tool over another? Because it offers them an advantage over their competition. The BR does not level any playing field, it streamlines the gameplay and makes it monotonous, in it's current form.

  • 09.30.2009 1:22 PM PDT