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Subject: The real problem with the BR

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Posted by: slayer542
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Street Fighter takes more skill. Just throwin' that out there. Even BUNGIE has Street Fighter games in their office they are so competitive with it.


The thing with fighter games is that you can learn EVERY combo and still get your arse kicked by some kid randomly smashing buttons!


nah if they really know their way around combos, you don't stand a chance except with the first blow, even with the occasional block and strike. it's the doa4 boss all over again. lol

  • 09.30.2009 5:04 PM PDT

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The BR can actually beat sniper at times since it can take people that are shooting you out of your scope.

  • 09.30.2009 8:24 PM PDT

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THats why they took it out of ODST. PLUS: It was invented AFTER the battle of Reach.

  • 09.30.2009 8:45 PM PDT

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It think that is is considered to easy to kill someone with a BR, four (12) shots to the head is way to fast. Sure it is a gun that requires skill, but every gun should require skill.

Why don't the shots from my Assault Rifle hurt more when fired directly at the head of an enemy? If all guns had headshot capabilities, do you think every gun would "require skill"?

[Edited on 09.30.2009 8:47 PM PDT]

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the Br takes skill to learn, but once learned its FAR too overpowered and too easy to use... it single hand-idly ruined halo 3 multiplayer.

  • 09.30.2009 8:52 PM PDT
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  • 09.30.2009 9:03 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Posted by: Shai Hulud

It's a gun that fits the role it was made for just fine.
It fits that role perfectly, and also fits other weapons' roles better than they do. That is my beef with the weapon.

  • 09.30.2009 9:09 PM PDT

Posted by: militaryguns (Hunler116)
Shut the hell up, Halo is my world

If they replaced the BR with the H1 pistol I would be perfectly fine with that.

  • 09.30.2009 9:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Donovan McNabb
If they replaced the BR with the H1 pistol I would be perfectly fine with that.

  • 09.30.2009 9:13 PM PDT
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br should be nerfed or at least replaced with other guns like in odst
the br is a very overpowered gun cause it can own almost every other weapon

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If they replaced the BR with the H1 pistol I would be perfectly fine with that.

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  • 09.30.2009 9:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: Shai Hulud
The real problem with the BR is that it's a huge topic of discussion when there's nothing of importance to discuss about it.

It's a gun that fits the role it was made for just fine. It ain't perfect, and it never should be.

That's the problem, the role it fits in Halo should not be there. That KIND of weapon shouldn't exist in Halo, it does mess up the gameplay.

Halo relies on a balance of all the weapons together, like a big round teeter totter, putting another weapon in the middle like that means that all the other weapons become obsolete, they can all jump off the teeter totter and that one weapon can be the only one there. THAT is the BR's role, and it should NOT exist.

A medium to long range weapon shouldn't be in Halo? We should all either whore shotguns or whore snipers because there is no medium distanced gun? Stupid post.

  • 09.30.2009 9:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: armoredturkey 0
the Br takes skill to learn, but once learned its FAR too overpowered and too easy to use... it single hand-idly ruined halo 3 multiplayer.

The post of someone who has been killed by the BR too many times. It is a good weapon. PERIOD! It has not ruined Halo's multiplayer. You are ignorant.

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: Shai Hulud
The real problem with the BR is that it's a huge topic of discussion when there's nothing of importance to discuss about it.

It's a gun that fits the role it was made for just fine. It ain't perfect, and it never should be.

That's the problem, the role it fits in Halo should not be there. That KIND of weapon shouldn't exist in Halo, it does mess up the gameplay.

Halo relies on a balance of all the weapons together, like a big round teeter totter, putting another weapon in the middle like that means that all the other weapons become obsolete, they can all jump off the teeter totter and that one weapon can be the only one there. THAT is the BR's role, and it should NOT exist.

A medium to long range weapon shouldn't be in Halo? We should all either whore shotguns or whore snipers because there is no medium distanced gun? Stupid post.


medium ar
mid-long or anything else br
dont be stupid
and the variety of the rest guns where?

  • 09.30.2009 9:32 PM PDT

Just so everyone knows I love the battle rifle, but if you have used it surely you would know that it definitely does have more advantages than any other weapon and that it isn't balanced that's for sure.It's range limitation ranges from point blank to infinite, although there is a slight delay in long ranges. It also has an incredible amount of automatic aim-assist compared with any other weapon.

I'll just put it like this, if two equal skill players were in exactly the same situation, the one with BR, the other with any other weapon of choice, the BR would win in the majority of situations because of its sheer over versatility, this in turn means that it is the most advantageous weapon in the game because any other weapons would have to be chosen through a tactical analysis, e.g. Shotgun would be a typical weapon of choice for close quarters, the sniper typically for long ranges, but the BR could be picked in almost any situation. As I mentioned I am a fan of the BR, but be serious, don't pretend it is equal in its advantages and disadvantages to the other weapons, because it's not!

  • 09.30.2009 9:43 PM PDT

The problem with BR is that there is no counter for it... at all.

If you're on Red team and Blue team is BRing the hell out of everyone on your team from about 50 yards away... what do you do? Grab a sniper? No cause unless you're a pro no-scoper and can nail them in the head at 50 yards without zooming, they'll just shoot you while you're scoping in and scope-cancel you. Rockets? Nah, too slow. They'll dodge them. Shotgun? Don't even try. Spartan Lazer? Good luck surviving through the warm up sequence!

Halo Reach needs to consist of weapons and their conterbalances. Each weapon needs conditions where it will excell at destroying the other team as well as weaknesses that the other team can use to their advantage.

  • 09.30.2009 10:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: XxDeathiAmxXD
The BR is an essential part of the Halo game play, one that makes it so great.

I'm terribly sorry if you get killed by the BR every 10 seconds, but, that just means you stink at Halo then. And, the BR WILL BE AN ESSENTIAL PART OF REACH. It is the Spartans' primary weapon.

I think you mean the AR.

  • 09.30.2009 10:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: Shai Hulud
The real problem with the BR is that it's a huge topic of discussion when there's nothing of importance to discuss about it.

It's a gun that fits the role it was made for just fine. It ain't perfect, and it never should be.

That's the problem, the role it fits in Halo should not be there. That KIND of weapon shouldn't exist in Halo, it does mess up the gameplay.

Halo relies on a balance of all the weapons together, like a big round teeter totter, putting another weapon in the middle like that means that all the other weapons become obsolete, they can all jump off the teeter totter and that one weapon can be the only one there. THAT is the BR's role, and it should NOT exist.

Take the BR out, and the balance gets completely shot to hell. Without the BR, Snipers become incredibly overpowered. I wonder, what you are going to do with an AR when there is a sniper staring at your spawn? I'll answer that question, you'll die, over and over again, until he runs out of ammo.

The BR is a textbook medium range weapon, and the fact that you think a medium range weapon has no place in an FPS is completely laughable. Have you played other FPS's? Halo CE, Halo 2, counterstike, Call of Duty, Half Life, all the shooters I played for PS2, hell even Goldeneye for the N64 all had medium range weapons.

If you really take it out, snipers will have a field day. I know I would get at least 6 head shots per sniper, because your AR won't do anything to me, giving me all the time in the world to line up shots.

  • 09.30.2009 10:15 PM PDT

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The BR is "overused," but its not really the fault of the weapon. Reasons:

1. It is the only midrange weapon in Halo 3. Besides the Carbine, but you cannot spawn with that. There are TONS of close range weapons, so your kills will logically be spread thin between them, whereas the bulk of your midrange kills come from the singular midrange weapon. The BR.

2. The other weapons suck. Plain and simple. Bungie messed up the weapon balance in H2 and H3. Too much emphasis on close range weapons in a midrange combat game like Halo. Halo 1 got it right; all weapons were unique and powerful, so that the BR-type weapon (the M6D Pistol) was never as overused as the BR is, unless you were playing an insanely unbalanced match. You NEEDED to use stuff besides the Pistol to win against evenly skilled opponents. Not so with the BR in Halo 2/3 due to the slower kill speeds and greater emphasis on close range combat.

  • 09.30.2009 10:20 PM PDT

Firstly it seems it's always high ranks defending it, secondly their always a bit funky, I don't think I have ever met a General In matchmaking who isn't Rude, hopefully someone will prove me wrong. Now getting on topic I think that the BR should either be fixed or that in each base in the games there should be a button that instantly eliminates all players wielding BR's, now if you think that my button idea is crazy you should compare it with the BR itself.

Also it seems I've found another sane and fair player from Halo3 TW InKoGnIto I liked the balance of weapons in your link, not LMG though I don't think it would suit Halo's style as much!

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  • 09.30.2009 10:22 PM PDT

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It really isn't fair. The BR owes and i know that it is my favorite weapon for halo 3 but i don't play anymore cuz im sick of shooting 3 or 4 times and getting a kill, so repetitive. For the people who can't kill a sniper without a BR- you can kill snipers with other weapons besides the BR, lets list, another sniper, rockets, stickies, carbine.

If the keep the pistol around then all it would take is a frag and one head shot so quit whining and enjoy halo 3 while it lasts. You limit urself to one weapon and u limit urself to one game and one strategy. Have fun.

  • 09.30.2009 10:24 PM PDT

A player who has put some thought into his comment and included descent reasoning. Another player on the other hand goes straight to conclusion snipers would be overpowered without BR's. All I need to say is, where do the majority of snipers spawn and how many are there. ANSWER: In the bases and usually there's only two, meaning if you were getting shot go pick the one in your base up.

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Posted by: Jordyt
Theory proven: a player who is a Brigadier has put some thought into his comment and included descent reasoning. Another player who is a General on the other hand goes straight to conclusion snipers would be overpowered. All I need to say is, where do the majority of snipers spawn and how many are there. ANSWER: In the bases and usually there's only two, meaning if you were getting shot go pick the one in your base up. All it requires is some common sense to fairly back up your comments and I wouldn't mind.

I don't put any thought into what I say?

Gee that means a lot coming from someone who makes up the most retarded generalization I have ever seen, which comes down to, "Brigadiers put more thought into their posts than generals."

  • 09.30.2009 10:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: xXTnTFrEsHXx
The thing is there are so many people that get owned with the BR everytime that they play halo online. people complain because they are tired of it. It requires skill to play halo probalbly the only game that takes the most skill.

So instead of crying about get used to it and learn how to use it. I think the BR is balanced it can be beaten by any other weapon as long as you know what to do. Halo 3 is balanced as anygame will ever.

Halo Reach will most not likely have a BR since Halo 2 and 3 multiplayer were built around it so expect it not to be there.



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  • 09.30.2009 10:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Jordyt
Theory proven: a player who is a Brigadier has put some thought into his comment and included descent reasoning. Another player who is a General on the other hand goes straight to conclusion snipers would be overpowered. All I need to say is, where do the majority of snipers spawn and how many are there. ANSWER: In the bases and usually there's only two, meaning if you were getting shot go pick the one in your base up. All it requires is some common sense to fairly back up your comments and I wouldn't mind.


OK there really isn't a need to categorize people on the forums because of their rank. Yes many Generals may seem like a-holes, but they defend the BR because it is what brought them to victory. Hell, its the weapon I use most because I have to so that I can compete online. Personally I think the BR could use a lot of fine tuning. I like the weapon, I just wish it could be balanced so that even if you are horrible with the BR, you can still excell at multiplayer.

  • 09.30.2009 10:44 PM PDT

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