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Subject: The real problem with the BR

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S-P-ACE! SPACE!

I can hold my own with the BR.
I still want it removed.

  • 09.30.2009 10:50 PM PDT

Firstly I didn't even say it was you. Secondly my generalized statement was about how many Generals I've played with have a huge chip on their shoulder, and lastly this "Generalization" that generals feel the BR is balanced is provided by you.

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  • 09.30.2009 10:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: XxDeathiAmxXD
The BR is an essential part of the Halo game play, one that makes it so great.

I'm terribly sorry if you get killed by the BR every 10 seconds, but, that just means you stink at Halo then. And, the BR WILL BE AN ESSENTIAL PART OF REACH. It is the Spartans' primary weapon.

In what Halo game did the cover have the MC wielding the BR? None.
He had an AR for two, and the SMGs for one.

  • 09.30.2009 10:56 PM PDT

what about what

halo 2 > halo 3 br. i dont like the nooby 3 shots in the body and one in the head. 4 shot to the head should be the only way

  • 09.30.2009 10:57 PM PDT

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Theory proven: a player who is a Brigadier has put some thought into his comment and included descent reasoning. Another player who is a General on the other hand goes straight to conclusion snipers would be overpowered. All I need to say is, where do the majority of snipers spawn and how many are there. ANSWER: In the bases and usually there's only two, meaning if you were getting shot go pick the one in your base up. All it requires is some common sense to fairly back up your comments and I wouldn't mind.


OK there really isn't a need to categorize people on the forums because of their rank. Yes many Generals may seem like a-holes, but they defend the BR because it is what brought them to victory. Hell, its the weapon I use most because I have to so that I can compete online. Personally I think the BR could use a lot of fine tuning. I like the weapon, I just wish it could be balanced so that even if you are horrible with the BR, you can still excell at multiplayer.


I agree I'm sorry I generalised but I did say most Generals not all. I hope you turn out to be a general that does prove my statement wrong.

  • 09.30.2009 10:57 PM PDT

Posted by: xstk182x
halo 2 > halo 3 br. i dont like the nooby 3 shots in the body and one in the head. 4 shot to the head should be the only way


See I'm not saying all Generals are bad, this guy at least brings up a valid point accepting the BR is overpowered in its ease of use. Also I don't think I have said I agree you must head shot them I just agree the BR is overpowered.

[Edited on 10.01.2009 2:11 AM PDT]

  • 09.30.2009 11:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jordyt
Firstly I didn't even say it was you. Secondly my generalized statement was about how most Generals have a pipe larger that the universe in their A-hole, and lastly evidence for this "Generalization" is provided by you, so I'd either try prove me wrong or not talk at all if I were you.


Posted by: Jordyt
Firstly it seems it's always high ranks defending it

Generalization #1


Posted by: Jordyt
I don't think I have ever met a General who isn't an A-HOLE

Generalization #2


Posted by: Jordyt
Theory proven: a player who is a Brigadier has put some thought into his comment and included descent reasoning. Another player who is a General on the other hand goes straight to conclusion snipers would be overpowered.

Generalization #3

Yeah, that's more than one generalization.

Lol at where you said that you weren't talking about me. It's obvious to anyone that you were, I (a general) used the sniper in my argument and you say, "Another player who is a General on the other hand goes straight to conclusion snipers would be overpowered". That is clearly referring to my argument.

I'd like to know why you think I'm an "A-Hole". All I did was state my argument and back it up with examples, and you jumped on it with a baseless attack effectively saying I was an "A-Hole" because I had a differing viewpoint. If the only thing you can do in an argument is call people names (a fallacy), then I feel very sorry for you.


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Posted by: xstk182x
halo 2 > halo 3 br. i dont like the nooby 3 shots in the body and one in the head. 4 shot to the head should be the only way


See I'm not saying all Generals are bad, this guy at least brings up a valid point accepting the BR is overpowered in its ease of use.

Lastly, this just shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. The BR in Halo 2 killed in the exact same way, 3 shots to the body and 1 to the head. I find it hilarious that the only generals who fit your category of not being bad are the ones that agree with you. Surround yourself with "yes men", and see how far you go.


You really need to lay off the stereotypes, if you typecast everyone in society as something then it is going to bite you in the ass, hard. You act as is somehow being skilled enough at this game to earn the highest rank somehow determines their personality and writing ability, and that is just sad.

  • 09.30.2009 11:13 PM PDT

The BR was brought in to close the gap between CQC weapons and snipers
it balanced gameplay tremendously and increased the pace
the BR is meant to make certain weapons ineffective at range
the AR will always win in a close range battle but lose in cross map battle
the only solution I believe is to add more carbine/BR like weapons to add more variety and have more players be effective with new rifles so more people can have a better chance and not have to complain

no wonder most people hate the br, they try to 4 shot by shooting the head
people it's halo 3 body, body, body, head
with halo 3s bullet regristration you cannot consistently 4shot like the h2 days
it takes skill not spray n pray


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  • 09.30.2009 11:44 PM PDT

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The BR should never be taken away...it is essential to Halo gameplay! If you are complaining about it, it obviously means you are a AR noob who scratches his head every time he gets four shotted by the BR. If you can't use the BR, you are a noob so stop complaining and learn how to play. If you want to get better at Halo, learn to us it! Once you can actually get a few 4 shot kills, you will love the weapon and regret ever dissing it.

  • 10.01.2009 1:34 AM PDT

Generalization #1 That was not supposed to be a generalization but a finding something I just noticed, I hope you don't take offense to it because I wasn't stating anything.

Generalization #2 and #3 are the same: I said I don't think I've met a General(referring to matchmaking) who wasn't and a-hole, because I haven't. That was also just an opinion, other people may enjoy some of them constantly bragging and swearing for no apparent reason. This is only based on my previous experiences of matches, maybe I just get teamed up with them I don't know.

I would also like to say that I didn't call you in particular an a-hole, and I'm sorry if that's how you read it. I simply used your comment on snipers being overpowered to support my first finding or generalization that Generals always seem to defend the Battle Rifle.

So I sincerely apologize if you thought I was making these attacks on you. I was just conveying an issue that had been on my mind because every game I have ever played with Generals most of the time they have been quite rude to everyone else on the team.

I also don't understand where the last part on your personality and writing ability came from because the only time when I could have possibly attacked your personality and writing ability was when I said you proved my point that high ranks mostly defend the Battle Rifle. When you said the sniper would be over-powered if there was no BR, and I only said that because the sniper isn't common.

Sorry for not specifying that this was based on Generals I had played with on matchmaking and that I wasn't referring to all generals.

If there is anything I can do to resolve this in a more civil matter please tell me because I don't want to keep fighting and explaining my comments all night.

  • 10.01.2009 2:06 AM PDT

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The problem with the BR is that it is repetitive. Aiming for the head, and pulling the trigger over and over is all the BR is.

They either need to make the BR do less damage if they are going to keep it, or make the other main weapons (smg, AR, spiker, and PR) kill enemies just as fast. Otherwise there is no need to use any other weapon if it can be used for every situation.

Halo CE's AR, and BR were great. The Halo 2 Pistol should return with a slight power boost, and the SMG is fine. Spiker does need a boost for sure though. It should be bigger, single wield, lower fire rate, much more damage.

ce didn't have a BR

  • 10.01.2009 2:23 AM PDT
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I understand completely but i say the BR in Reach Because look at what ODST did to the BR.( Ruined it with the crap-tastic SMG ) The BR will be very missed if they get rid of it

  • 10.01.2009 3:05 AM PDT

Is it really asking too much too give the BR less automatic aim than it has right now, and maybe reduce its rate of fire. Then It would require more skill to use, and there would be no need to argue. Even just adding a weapon that is more effective against someone wielding a BR. Maybe increasing the sniper lock on range when not using a scope so there is another weapon to compete with the BR. Another possibility would to be to reduce the amount spawned, which would work fine too.

  • 10.01.2009 3:12 AM PDT
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i think they should come up with a brute BR that can stand up to a BR without bein to powerful

  • 10.01.2009 3:21 AM PDT

Saying the smg in odst is bad is blasphemy. The smg combined with pistol destroy covenant (bar hunters). Now what needs to be changed is the fact the the br is capable of propelling a car of a cliff.

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  • 10.01.2009 3:28 AM PDT
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i could take a brute out 15 times faster with a BR then a SMG because it doesnt buck when shot and it has a 3 round burst.

  • 10.01.2009 3:36 AM PDT

The smg is supposed to be fired in bursts at br range and fully auto at close range. I would much rather have an smg than a br when the cheiftain is about to hammer me.

  • 10.01.2009 3:43 AM PDT
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all i gotta say on the SMG is that it would be ten time better if it had a 3 round burst option or alltime 3 round burst

  • 10.01.2009 3:45 AM PDT

Posted by: MGilli
all i gotta say on the SMG is that it would be ten time better if it had a 3 round burst option or alltime 3 round burst


But then it would'nt be an smg it would be a br clone.

  • 10.01.2009 3:47 AM PDT
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thats exactly what im saying not a "BR-close" but a BR

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Even if you dont like the BR it is a needed weapon. The BR and the Carbine are the only mid range weapons that can effectively counter a sniper or a laser. There are only 4 weapons with a scope in halo 3: the BR, Carbine, Sniper,and Laser. The rockets do too, but seriously who uses the scope?

With so few weapons having mid-long range capabilities of course the most abundant of them will be used a lot. Without the BR halo would be a very close range game with much less depth of gameplay. BR starts games have a big emphasis on teamwork. It adds concepts like team-shooting, giving cover fire, and switching. These concepts add to the depth of a game, rewarding veteran players for their skill.

Do you really want a close range game with less depth of play? I agree that more casual players could easily find BR emphasized gameplay frustrating or stale, but this is not the BR's fault. I see much preaching about weapon variety being hindered by the battle riffle. This is nonsense. If you really cared about weapon variety you wouldnt ask for weapons to be removed, you would ask for more mid/long range weapons that can compete. Wouldn't you? I was under the impression that more choices equals more variety not the other way around.

To me default halo 3 feels like a close range game with only one weapon attempting to fill the gap of mid-long range. In a mid-range fight the BR is the ultimate weapon. This isn't because the BR is overpowered. It is because there is a lack of competition in the mid-long range class.

It sickens me when I read posts of people crying to take things away from a game. Why not ask for more instead of cry for less?

  • 10.01.2009 4:41 AM PDT

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Even if you dont like the BR it is a needed weapon. The BR and the Carbine are the only mid range weapons that can effectively counter a sniper or a laser. There are only 4 weapons with a scope in halo 3: the BR, Carbine, Sniper,and Laser. The rockets do too, but seriously who uses the scope?

With so few weapons having mid-long range capabilities of course the most abundant of them will be used a lot. Without the BR halo would be a very close range game with much less depth of gameplay. BR starts games have a big emphasis on teamwork. It adds concepts like team-shooting, giving cover fire, and switching. These concepts add to the depth of a game, rewarding veteran players for their skill.

Do you really want a close range game with less depth of play? I agree that more casual players could easily find BR emphasized gameplay frustrating or stale, but this is not the BR's fault. I see much preaching about weapon variety being hindered by the battle riffle. This is nonsense. If you really cared about weapon variety you wouldnt ask for weapons to be removed, you would ask for more mid/long range weapons that can compete. Wouldn't you? I was under the impression that more choices equals more variety not the other way around.

To me default halo 3 feels like a close range game with only one weapon attempting to fill the gap of mid-long range. In a mid-range fight the BR is the ultimate weapon. This isn't because the BR is overpowered. It is because there is a lack of competition in the mid-long range class.

It sickens me when I read posts of people crying to take things away from a game. Why not ask for more instead of cry for less?


1 billion% agree:p

  • 10.01.2009 5:16 AM PDT

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you got learn to us br and get train to us one

  • 10.01.2009 5:53 AM PDT

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I hope the BR isn't in Reach, or if it is it better be dumbed down a LOT. Plus its really repetitive game play: four shot someone, turn around and 5 shot someone else, turn around and shoot someone else, grenade someone and headshot...see what I mean?

I mean its a 3 shot weapon that kills in 4 bursts. You could wipe out an entire Covenant armada before reloading. Just take it out and have the ODST pistol to replace it. 6 headshots or 12 body shots to kill.

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  • 10.01.2009 5:58 AM PDT

Posted by: TMNT4 Jacksta
i love it it is the best map on halo 3 me and my bro we -blam!- every wone we wone by 61 becaues they fill to thier death becuse we wore bitting thim. and if you hate it you mast be bad............

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
-Br has more range than every weapon besides sniper and laser.
-It's bullets are almost hit scan.
-It has a scope
-It has a large aimer, yet all the bullets have little spread
-It is the only (rifle) weapon that can get more than 1 kill per mag in a typical MM scenario
-It can be used at any range as long you have enough sense to aim at the head

[sarcasm]Yep. Pretty damn balanced if you ask me. [/sarcasm]

This is my solution.

-At the range of a sniper about 1 bullet hits MAYBE due to spread and bullet refunding.
-Maybe you should learn what hitscan means before you use the term.
-OMFG IT HAS A SCOPE IT'S UNBALANCED NO GUNS IN REAL LIFE HAVE SCOPES WTF
-What do you mean by large aimer, and it has a massive amount of spread(go shoot a wall in a custom game.)
-By typical MM scenario do you mean on host or LAN because if you're offhost in MM it takes at least 5 bursts to kill someone, and I've had it occur where it takes 11 bursts because apparently I wasn't hitting their head(OH ITS SO HITSCAN :( )
-And you clearly don't know how to use the BR because you aim for the chest first to account for the spread, then move up to the head.

Perhaps you should of used [idiot][/idiot] tags. Good day.

  • 10.01.2009 6:14 AM PDT

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