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Subject: The truth about the Sword in ODST

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Posted by: SeasonedVeterans
But the thing is, why would they have a completely new GIF for the Weapon, as that one guy posted for us? They redid the look, and left it in the database. So I think you have to admit there was at least a thought of having a Sword in the game at one point. Whether or not it was left in remains to be seen.
After taking a closer look at the images, I found that they didn't. This is the same Sword image used for the Halo 3 stat images. And, the medium versions of each image is just a rescaled version of the large versions. Many of the weapons received an updated image; the Sword did not. They used the same folder that is used for the Halo 3 stats page and renamed it while replacing some of the images.

The same goes for the Sword spree medals. They are the same medals; no improvements were made to them. Unless you can prove me otherwise with images from the Halo 3 stats page, they are the same. Also, it takes a few seconds to create rescaled versions of each image. If both versions were not present in the H3 stats (though I think they were; just not on the page), rescaled versions is extremely quick and can be done to all images at the same time.

As for the blank squares in the Medal Chest, it could just be the way the Website development team designed it to make it look good. There is no correlation between what you find in the Website than what you find in the game, ODST. Everything that is present within the ingame code is completely different to what is present within the website code. The only communication between the two is an ODST stats page being sent to the Website to decypher and put into organized data for the gamers.

  • 10.02.2009 12:49 PM PDT
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There's evidence for and against here, Bungie's reputation is not to be doubted however. The Scarab Gun was a prime example of that, as well as REXX (or whatever it was on Outskirts).

If Bungie had a weapon based Easter Egg, it would be the Energy Sword, the game has a strong focus towards the death of Elites and the civil war that plagued the Covenant, the Engineers were an extension of that.

I believe it is possible.

  • 10.02.2009 12:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: The MLG Pope
1) I (among many others) find the 5 empty medal boxes in the weapon spree category to be suspicious.
2) I look into the web code to find out what I can. We figure out that the black medal boxes are each added onto the gray background which shows through below the style medals, meaning Bungie intentionally added the empty ones.
3) My friend and I find a sword spree that might be redundant from H3, but it is re-rendered into higher resolution. Other H3 medals do NOT exist in the ODST medal database so we are lead to believe they are there purposefully.

4) Seeing the sword spree, we set out in NM at night simply to explore hoping something will lead to a hidden sword.

5) While exploring the Y symbols attract our attention much more than when we player through the game. We gravitate to the 3 "stonehenge" areas and assume there is a secret about them.

The sword may be completely separate from the puzzle we believe to exist. They seem correlated in this thread because we found both suspicions at the same time.

We have no illusions.
1) Really means nothing to me, cause I understand Tables and website design. It was probably just how the development team designed the page.

2) Or, it's how the Website team did their tables. Sometimes people make something out to be something when it really is nothing.

3) It was not re-rendered; it was the same image. And, there were certain medals that did not exist in the H3 Campaign. Wheelman, Bulltrue, and High/Skyjacking medals are examples of some that were not present.


I'm not gonna stop you guys from searching for this "supposed" secret. But, you shouldn't use Website images and code for clues, cause they are separate from the game. I believe that this made up mystery is nothing, and I suggest that you guys do not waste too much time on this topic.

  • 10.02.2009 12:59 PM PDT

it'd be ridiculous to think that bungie wouldn't hide something like this. hopefully this thread will get the ball rolling towards whatever that is.

  • 10.02.2009 1:05 PM PDT

Smerious!

Sort of reminds me of the hidden AR in Halo 3... this is interesting though so keep up the good work!

  • 10.02.2009 1:05 PM PDT

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i think that during the first missions you'd fight elites, however since the game is on the halo 3 engine, elite automatically were defaulted to "ally". they probably could change this but didn't because of my next reason

a lot of people started playing halo in halo 3. these people would be used to seeing elites as allies and it would confuse them if they were enemies in this one.

the SI symbols are supposed to point out important things. perhaps there was a second audio log series about the brute takeover of the covenant (these would be on the elite's person). they might have been cut for multiple reasons (we already know the story; confusion with other audio logs, etc) and they wouldn't have been able to remove the 'Y' of the SI symbol because those are part of the wall and would require a complete remap. the symbols however are not part of the wall (thier like stickers, you can add them in)

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Tbh with you all, I believe our best bet is to focus on one thing each that we know a lot about e.g. web design, game imaging etc. and stick to it to put together a good strong case for there being an energy sword in the game, then we can start looking for it using what we have found out in the forementioned (sorry if spelt wrong) analysis.....


(sounds geeky but its an idea)

  • 10.02.2009 1:42 PM PDT

Get over yourself - drink vodka!

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
1) Really means nothing to me, cause I understand Tables and website design. It was probably just how the development team designed the page.

2) Or, it's how the Website team did their tables. Sometimes people make something out to be something when it really is nothing.

3) It was not re-rendered; it was the same image. And, there were certain medals that did not exist in the H3 Campaign. Wheelman, Bulltrue, and High/Skyjacking medals are examples of some that were not present.


I'm not gonna stop you guys from searching for this "supposed" secret. But, you shouldn't use Website images and code for clues, cause they are separate from the game. I believe that this made up mystery is nothing, and I suggest that you guys do not waste too much time on this topic.

I understand tables and web design also. There are 5 extra lines of code that add empty medal boxes there, not as filer. The Halo 3 medal chest doesn't have them in it's empty spaces - I think that's proof enough.

It's based off the same image of course but this is a newer scale/resolution. Why go through the trouble to rescale it if it's not going to appear in any version from this file? A deletion would have been far easier. It's not like the web team is sorting through 10,000 items and removing ones that don't belong anymore. We're dealing with small amounts of images here. Time is not a factor.

And don't talk down at us like we're wasting our time but you're going to let us keep on. If you're not going to provide reasonable explanations to what we're discussing that we haven't already countered, just leave this alone.

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  • 10.02.2009 1:42 PM PDT

Posted by: The7thEra
Sort of reminds me of the hidden AR in Halo 3... this is interesting though so keep up the good work!

What happened with that anyway?

  • 10.02.2009 1:54 PM PDT

Posted by: ZaggRukk
The whole spilling blood thing looks like it might work. In Bucks mission (Plaza?)where he faces the 2 hunters and says that "he doesn't have time for this", when he enters that section with the female marine that sugests that he go "behind" the brutes. on the 2nd floor, there is a T intersection in the hallway that has a dead marine and some grenades and a closed door. I just tried that "spilling blood idea" and that door, as well as another to the open area unlocked. I didn't see anything in it, but when I left the section and came back, the doors were locked again. The Elites that I shot/melee'd for blood to spill were located in the section just north of that locked area. I believe that's where Buck asks what happened, when he sees the dead Elites in the dead end alley. Not much, but it does seem to open up certain areas!

Maybe we have to sacrafice an ally, and we can only do this in co-op?

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Posted by: ZaggRukk
The whole spilling blood thing looks like it might work. In Bucks mission (Plaza?)where he faces the 2 hunters and says that "he doesn't have time for this", when he enters that section with the female marine that sugests that he go "behind" the brutes. on the 2nd floor, there is a T intersection in the hallway that has a dead marine and some grenades and a closed door. I just tried that "spilling blood idea" and that door, as well as another to the open area unlocked. I didn't see anything in it, but when I left the section and came back, the doors were locked again. The Elites that I shot/melee'd for blood to spill were located in the section just north of that locked area. I believe that's where Buck asks what happened, when he sees the dead Elites in the dead end alley. Not much, but it does seem to open up certain areas!

Maybe we have to sacrafice an ally, and we can only do this in co-op?


I would like to think it was this just to try and find a random idiot who didn't know what I was doing but anyway.... I don't think it can be this because even though the elite is there, I think he may be remarking at the giant believe graffiti on the wall maybe? However if this does open doors, can you get a video up of this for me to check out?

  • 10.02.2009 1:59 PM PDT

Yaeeeyah!!

Nice find

  • 10.02.2009 2:02 PM PDT

All halo nerd, start reading novels and wiki about the elites, halo gamers, we need you to check our the nerds theories.
GET TO IT MEN/WOMEN. We have a secret sword to find.

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A theory that a friend of mine and I have about the symbols are that they are made by the Engineers to kind of show that the Elites died, like a grave marking or such. The Elites treated the Engineers much better than the Brutes did, so why wouldn't the Engineers feel compassionate towards the Elites? Also, regarding your question about the SI saying, "Slow down. Bill past due." He could be referring to the Elites "overstaying their welcome" on the Covenant, and the Brutes taking over.

Also, there's an White Elite that my friend and I found that has a sniper in front of him with 2 purple Spec-Ops next to him. The White Elite also has no shoulder pieces. Sorry about no pics here guys. Interesting theory of the sword though.

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Posted by: andymac0909
All halo nerd, start reading novels and wiki about the elites, halo gamers, we need you to check our the nerds theories.
GET TO IT MEN/WOMEN. We have a secret sword to find.


You arent exactly Nelson Mandella when it comes to speeches are you? Nerds??? Very motivating....

  • 10.02.2009 2:06 PM PDT

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Those GIFs simply represent medals that were cut from the game but not the Bungie.net source code.

Source: Occam's Razor.

Or, if you demand more substantial reasoning, just take a look at the medals chest. What do you notice about the empty black boxes?

That's right, there is no '?' icon representing medals that have yet to be achieved. Why are the black boxes present under the weapon spree section but not the style section? Because the page would look messy if they were not present.

  • 10.02.2009 2:14 PM PDT

Get over yourself - drink vodka!

If you are going to search for something, remember that there are sure to be things other than a sword to be found.

Also, the stonehenge rooms/mysterious Y markings might be completely unrelated to a sword, yet there could be a sword hidden more simply in a hard to reach place.

Be excited, just not overzealous ;-)

  • 10.02.2009 2:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: The MLG Pope
It's based off the same image of course but this is a newer scale/resolution. Why go through the trouble to rescale it if it's not going to appear in any version from this file? A deletion would have been far easier. It's not like the web team is sorting through 10,000 items and removing ones that don't belong anymore. We're dealing with small amounts of images here. Time is not a factor.
It's not based off the same image; it IS the same image. The Sword is not the only image that is the same; the Assault Rifle and others are the same image as well.

Rescaling is as easy as Hilighting all images and changing the scale percentage. Deleting things adds another step, so it is more trouble to go through and delete unnecessary items.

All I'm saying is don't use these typical site design techniques as clues as to why there is or was a Sword. Maybe there is this "secret" present in the game, but I'm not going to look at basic elements of Website development as evidence toward it.

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Posted by: The MLG Pope
If you are going to search for something, remember that there are sure to be things other than a sword to be found.

Also, the stonehenge rooms/mysterious Y markings might be completely unrelated to a sword, yet there could be a sword hidden more simply in a hard to reach place.

Be excited, just not overzealous ;-)


Like the hidden swords in the outskirts mission on Halo 2.

  • 10.02.2009 2:19 PM PDT

Get over yourself - drink vodka!

Posted by: porkstein
Those GIFs simply represent medals that were cut from the game but not the Bungie.net source code.

Source: Occam's Razor.

Or, if you demand more substantial reasoning, just take a look at the medals chest. What do you notice about the empty black boxes?

That's right, there is no '?' icon representing medals that have yet to be achieved. Why are the black boxes present under the weapon spree section but not the style section? Because the page would look messy if they were not present.
Please read the thread before you appear even more ignorant.

Occam's Razor doesn't apply here - we are left with 2 equally confusing/complicated possibilities.

As to the boxes, look at the Halo 3 medal chest. There are no empty black boxes and there are plenty of spaces before the medal chest ends.

  • 10.02.2009 2:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: andymac0909
All halo nerd, start reading novels and wiki about the elites, halo gamers, we need you to check our the nerds theories.
GET TO IT MEN/WOMEN. We have a secret sword to find.


You arent exactly Nelson Mandella when it comes to speeches are you? Nerds??? Very motivating....

I just call myself that because nobody at my school is really interested in sci fi and gaming and such.

On topic-
Maybe theres a secret door that we can't see with the VISR, and Bungies testing our eyesight?
(Mine sucks By the Way)

  • 10.02.2009 2:23 PM PDT

Statement: "one last thing i dont like how spartins glow brightly when there shot its just weard. since when do spartins glow so bright it makes them look like a chrismass tree lol."

Response: "It's an energy shield. -_-"

Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
You could try to spin this as proof of the existance of a non-existant weapon or DLC project, but what's probably a more rational conclusion is that at some point in developement the sword was nixed from ODST and all pertaining materials on it (Ex. medals) were removed in the easiest way possible.

Namely, simply hiding the associated medals rather than reworking the stat system to remove the sword from all mention.


WAAAH!

Don't kill our hopes and dreams :(

  • 10.02.2009 2:24 PM PDT

Get over yourself - drink vodka!

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
All I'm saying is don't use these typical site design techniques as clues as to why there is or was a Sword. Maybe there is this "secret" present in the game, but I'm not going to look at basic elements of Website development as evidence toward it.

This is why I listed the timeline earlier, rather than bullet points.

First thing we are searching for is a reason as to why the empty black boxes are in the ODST weapon spree section of the medal chest (not an accident, not to look nice). The sword medal popped up and we thought "it's a weapon spree medal, maybe you can get that medal since it would fit in the empty medal boxes - the possibility of the medal necessitates the possibility of a sword in the game." Obviously you didn't connect this.

I merely want to find what medals will go there, assuming medals do belong there as previously stated evidence suggests.

  • 10.02.2009 2:27 PM PDT