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i have gathered prove that the halo 3 legendary ending planet might be reach also READ all of this before posting


Reach and devilsrevenge96s Theory:


I acknowledge all of the story line points from the books, my theory is made to try and work around them while preserving gameplay.

Reach: Glassed
H3 Planet: Structures and signs of civilization

Totally Skeptical?:
Reach Planet=Reach
H3 Planet=Wtf, clever marketing scheme that denotes a future *Halo 4* after Reach? and Reach just looks like the H3 Planet to trick us? hmmm Bungie would . . . but come on, they COULD be related, and its more likely then a random H3 Planet or a foreshadowing sphere of an epic game?

Chances are that they planets are the same if not related, and the H3 Legendary ending was a secret scene to hint Reach. But for all records, I think Bungie would deff hide a game for hmmm 2013? Definite in their hit Halo 3.

Reach, the planet that was gassed, no life possible? So no possible connection to the planet with the structures on the planet in the H3 legendary ending? 2 years later so much is possible, a civilization that thrives off of glassed planets and is a pioneer species that can recover resources and artifacts from the Glassed planet.

Reach: Red Star (ecliptic shine)
H3 Planet: Blue Star (ecliptic shine)

Again over 2 years a lot can change, stars can die and new ones can be born (including time from before . . just saying that a lot can happen in that short loop of time), also bungie may have had the ecliptic refraction occur with a different star that was near and not over powered by the red star.
*NOTE* in the star cycle if the red star of reach is a red giant on the brink of death a new blue star can take it's place.



ABOUT STARS

I UNDERSTAND THAT STARS CAN NOT BE BORN OR DIE WITHIN 2 YEARS WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT well, here is the example.

Star 1 Time line:

77777777 BC: Born
77777 BC: Death Cycle Starts
7 AD: Star Dies

Star 2 Time Line:

77777 BC Birth Cycle Starts
7 AD: Star is Born



The Science of the Theory
for this theory lets just say that by some chance the red star finishes death exactly at the new blue star's birth.
Maybe the Covenant triggered something in the red star that caused its death to speed up, or maybe the Pillar of Autumn's slip space jump caused a break of bonds in the red star, turning it into a dead star, but also Hydrogen, one of the important elements of life, the glassed planet could have supported life with a planet with an atmosphere filled with a dense hydrogen atmosphere, the pioneer species may then be able to complete the stage of succession and become a civilization because of their ability to use Hydrogen as an energy source.
Remember: In Succession:
Disruption (glassed planet)
Pioneer Species
Evolution
Climax Ecosystem
*NOTE*: the last 3 steps take a very long time in normal conditions, BUT if the species has a environment that is highly rich in the resources they need, the steps speed up.


Gameplay and Story-line

In Halo 3 ODST the story line will be enhanced AND played through using flashbacks
Why not the same thing in Reach? it makes sense, Chief crashing into Reach and seeing things from the past that trigger the past, the story line of the game containing the stories of the Spartans from the books and gameplay as each one of them. The objective being to find a way of Reach by remembering something from the past. Just a Theory

Posted by: WeededDragon


Theory 1

If you have beat Halo 3 on Legendary you will see Chief's ship floating towards a planet, I am lead to believe this planet is Reach or the planet seen in the Halo: Reach trailer. The planets look just about the same, Think what you may want to think. I think when chief goes through the portal and the ship gets cut in half Chief actually went back in time, This means we could be fighting as Spartan 117 in Halo Reach.


This is how I believe the game will play out. Chief will fight in the Battle of Reach kill some covenant and loose the battle then retreat with the rest of the marines. When Chief gets on the Pillar of Autumn he will save the Commander (Whos name escapes me at the moment) who was piloting the ship, (The guy who at the beginning of Halo CE says, "Their Here" or something on the lines of that and then gets killed by an Elite) Soon after that Chief and the other marines along with the Commander will go down to the Halo Ring with Chief as their guide, And get the war over with all of the right moves.

Remember in the trailer it says "From the BEGINNING you knew the END."


Comparison of the Halo 3 Ending planet and the Halo REACH trailer planet.

Halo: REACH Trailer


For everyone who is saying something about the books, I have heard enough about the books! Just because it's in the book doesn't mean it will happen in the series, As far as I know Bungie didn't even make the books!

For everyone who is saying Chief was never in Reach, I know this, If Chief goes back in time he could fight in the battle of Reach!



Theory 2

If in fact the planet at the end of Halo 3 is Reach, This is another possibility of gameplay. Chief will be wondering around in space with no one except Cortana, Chief notices debris from the battle of reach and has flashbacks (Like in Halo 3: ODST), Each flashback will detail some aspect of the Battle of Reach. In these flashbacks you may play as each of the Characters in the banner above this page.




To everyone posting saying look around the forums and such, Stating that this idea has been posted many times before, Look at the date I posted this, The day the trailer came out, then you can look at the right of the forum page, its a Most Discussed thread. This thread has been out for a while, I just didn't post it, If anything people has taken some of this idea from me.


Further proof this planet is Reach! In the Halo 3: ODST ViDoc the guy speaking says, "We have seen this before, Harvest, The Outer colonies, and Reach." When he says Reach the image goes to a picture of reach like I have on this thread.

Go to 1:40 in the video to see this.



Posted by: TheBigJimboner
With the release of the Halo: Reach teaser trailer, I now have a new theory as to what the Legendary planetoid may be.

If we take a look at the Planet in the Halo: Reach teaser trailer, you will notice a striking similarity between the glowing shapes on both Reach and the Legendary Planet. Similar shapes can also be found on the Surface of the Ark, as evidenced in the cutscence prior to the mission, 'The Ark.'

In this trailer we can also see towards the end, in the background, what appears to be a blue nebula, much like the one in the legendary ending.

So it appears that both planets are one and the same. Or at least the same in design.

EDIT:

I have been doing some research and have found further evidence that supports Reach being in the Legendary ending.

We know that the planet Reach is located in the Epsilon Eridani system.

We also know that Bungie like to use a lot of real life information and locations in their fiction.

To start with, let's compare two images.

The Legendary Nebula is something that we have all seen.

The Epsilon Eradani System has the same blue nebula as the Legendary ending. Larger picture here.

In both cases, an artist has used real life evidence to make the impressions as accurate as possible.

In addition to this, we can see that Epsilon Eridani in the Haloverse also has At Least Two Planets, or a planet and moon, in addition to Reach.

The real life Epsilon Eridani is also Supposed to Have Three Planets, with at least one of these being a gas giant like Jupiter. Larger picture here. We can also see a massive ringed planet in the Reach trailer.

Epsilon Eridani is also significantly younger than the Solar system, and therefore, less time has passed since planets in Epsilon Eradani have been exposed to heavy bombardment by meteors.

Now if we take a Closer Look at the Surface of Reach, we will see a lot of evidence of impact craters scattered across its surface. Mind you, these may have been caused by the glassing of the planet, but I do not believe that glassing sends plumes of earth into the sky.
so this is all i have got if you disagree then ok if you agree then ok i just want to know your opinion and remember no flaming =) and if you do not think it is reach then say why ok thanks =)



[Edited on 10.01.2009 7:38 PM PDT]

  • 10.01.2009 7:31 PM PDT

Posted by: AquaBlader
Soon to be breaking news:


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Reach's city lights go out when it gets glassed, the legendary planet has lights (not city lights) on it.

[Edited on 10.01.2009 7:33 PM PDT]

  • 10.01.2009 7:33 PM PDT

or it is just a random planet for the story to continue on

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Different coloured suns.

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Posted by: hadlermaster
Reach's city lights go out when it gets glassed, the legendary planet has lights (not city lights) on it.
What he said. It's not Reach, that would just be a very stupid move for the Bungie writers. Oh let's make Master Chief go back to Reach for a THIRD time!!!! Yes that's perfect!!! We'll sell millions!!!!

  • 10.01.2009 7:36 PM PDT

oh and from the end of odst they show that they glass in a pattern almost like artwork

  • 10.01.2009 7:37 PM PDT

BYAHH

I've seen all of these posts before. IMO I think it would be too much of a stretch to make the chief on the planet of Reach and kill like 134985732 covies.

Plus if this happened, the end would be the space time continuum would be messed up the universe would explode.

I just feel that this is about as likely as a giant grunt teabagging the chief yelling screaming n00b in the legendary reach ending.

  • 10.01.2009 7:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: jordanJ
Different coloured suns.

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did you even read everything i posted

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Posted by: Sickletail
oh and from the end of odst they show that they glass in a pattern almost like artwork


That's just the glyphs on the Portal, it's not the pattern they're burning in.

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Posted by: jordanJ
Different coloured suns.

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did you even read everything i posted


Actually, for the first time, no.

You CANNOT say it's the same planet when ones sun is blue, and the other is orange. Suns can't change to those colours.
Blue = White
Yellow = Red
That's how it works (Simply speaking) I have had enough of these threads, time travel is not in Halo, it's stupid. They would not bring Master Chief to Reach a THIRD time! He's done, that's it.

Get over it.

  • 10.01.2009 7:43 PM PDT

I'm the cult of personality,
I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.

Posted by: jordanJ
Posted by: Insane AlphaBeta
Posted by: jordanJ
Different coloured suns.

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did you even read everything i posted


Actually, for the first time, no.
lol

  • 10.01.2009 7:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Insane AlphaBeta
Posted by: jordanJ
Different coloured suns.

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did you even read everything i posted


Actually, for the first time, no.

You CANNOT say it's the same planet when ones sun is blue, and the other is orange. Suns can't change to those colours.
Blue = White
Yellow = Red
That's how it works (Simply speaking) I have had enough of these threads, time travel is not in Halo, it's stupid. They would not bring Master Chief to Reach a THIRD time! He's done, that's it.

Get over it.
What he said.

  • 10.01.2009 7:47 PM PDT

i always thought the thing at the end of the legendary ending was another halo ring

  • 10.01.2009 7:48 PM PDT

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Obviously someone forgot to research into my thread before posting his ridiculous theories.


If you look at the main thread of this you'll see the link to a picture of them both side by side The picture. If you look at the Halo 3 one closely, you'll see it has Forerunner glyphs on it. Like the glyph for zero and also on the top right of the planet you'll see what looks like the unknown symbol/glyph from the Terminals which is also on 343 Guilty Spark and on the Ghosts of Onyx cover. The planet is Forerunner in origin the surface of it has numerous Forerunner architecture similarities. So for all you who keep insisting this is Reach it's not. Reach was glassed, and people did survive, but this is not Reach (read the books). This "planet", if it is even one, is either inhabited by Covenant as they assimilated Forerunner technology and it is a Forerunner "planet" or it is inhabited by the descendants of the Forerunners, which means Cortana and John are outside the rings range, or is completely devoid of sentient life as it is in the range of the rings. There is a possibility that it is a shield world or a world that had a central shield that after the rings fired would open and allow the planet to be re-inhabited. I would also like to throw it out there that maybe Cortana and John are there because it is a world that has one of the portals on it, Earth is not the only planet with a portal, and because they went through the portal from Earth as it collapsed maybe they were accidentally sent to another portal's vicinity.

SYMBOL COMPARISON
Side by side comparison of the "unknown glyph/symbol" and the Reach vid and the Halo 3 Ending http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1600/forerunnerplanet1.jpg . This is almost definitive proof that the planet is indeed Forerunner. Top right Image compare to the top right of the Halo 3 planet, every line is a match. Bottom right image compare to the bottom left of the Halo 3 planet, half match all lines correct though. Then you can compare the glyphs to the Halo: Reach image, they don't match.

What's a Forerunner Symbol?
The Forerunner symbols are based on star patterns. That was how Cortana found the first Halo, she used the symbols they had intercepted from Sigma Octanus IV that were being transmitted from the surface to a stealthed Covenant ship, John and his team then captured the rock that was being hit with infrared which was transmitting the symbols. If the Forerunners based their Language off of the stars then why not their architecture, which is why the symbols show up on the surface of the planet in the Halo 3 Ending, because it is a Forerunner planet.

ONYX?
I don't think it's possible that the planet that John and Cortana are heading to is "the" Dyson Sphere that is in Onyx. The Dyson Sphere from Onyx is a special Dyson Sphere that exists in normal space and slipspace. It is a infinitesimally small point in normal space, but in slipspace it takes up a planetary size amount of space. Slipspace physics and normal space physics are different that is how it is faster to travel through slipspace because the physics have different limitations and rules. That being said slipspace allows for a greater mass in a smaller space, like compressing a file, only that when you compress a file you technically lose some data. In slipspace there is no data loss. Also in slipspace the term of something being in a specific space is used loosely because when objects are near each other, in the books, they appear to be one object. Which is why it is difficult for the UNSC to identify objects in slipspace.

I retracted the part of my theory that stated that it could be a Covenant made planet. Which is highly unlikely as the Covenant assimilated Forerunner technology, they didn't use it. Covenant symbols are different than Forerunner symbols so they planet would have to be Forerunner.

  • 10.01.2009 7:50 PM PDT

Master chief was drifting in the half of the ship towards more of a planet that the sentienels built in halo 3 but Reach ends when master chief gets on the pillar of autumn so if it was reach it would look more destroyed

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ITS EARTH YOU RETARD.... look on halopedia

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ITS EARTH YOU RETARD.... look on halopedia


That was a joke right? Please tell me it was joke... My text to joke debugulator is screwing up and I can't tell...

  • 10.01.2009 7:56 PM PDT

I'm the cult of personality,
I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.

Posted by: The1Pink1Pirate7
Obviously someone forgot to research into my thread before posting his ridiculous theories.


If you look at the main thread of this you'll see the link to a picture of them both side by side The picture. If you look at the Halo 3 one closely, you'll see it has Forerunner glyphs on it. Like the glyph for zero and also on the top right of the planet you'll see what looks like the unknown symbol/glyph from the Terminals which is also on 343 Guilty Spark and on the Ghosts of Onyx cover. The planet is Forerunner in origin the surface of it has numerous Forerunner architecture similarities. So for all you who keep insisting this is Reach it's not. Reach was glassed, and people did survive, but this is not Reach (read the books). This "planet", if it is even one, is either inhabited by Covenant as they assimilated Forerunner technology and it is a Forerunner "planet" or it is inhabited by the descendants of the Forerunners, which means Cortana and John are outside the rings range, or is completely devoid of sentient life as it is in the range of the rings. There is a possibility that it is a shield world or a world that had a central shield that after the rings fired would open and allow the planet to be re-inhabited. I would also like to throw it out there that maybe Cortana and John are there because it is a world that has one of the portals on it, Earth is not the only planet with a portal, and because they went through the portal from Earth as it collapsed maybe they were accidentally sent to another portal's vicinity.


If we take a look at the Planet in the Halo: Reach teaser trailer, you will notice a striking similarity between the glowing shapes on both Reach and the Legendary Planet. Similar shapes can also be found on the Surface of the Ark, as evidenced in the cutscence prior to the mission, 'The Ark.'

In this trailer we can also see towards the end, in the background, what appears to be a blue nebula, much like the one in the legendary ending.

So it appears that both planets are one and the same. Or at least the same in design.

EDIT:

I have been doing some research and have found further evidence that supports Reach being in the Legendary ending.

We know that the planet Reach is located in the Epsilon Eridani system.

We also know that Bungie like to use a lot of real life information and locations in their fiction.

To start with, let's compare two images.

The Legendary Nebula is something that we have all seen.

The Epsilon Eradani System has the same blue nebula as the Legendary ending. Larger picture here.

In both cases, an artist has used real life evidence to make the impressions as accurate as possible.

In addition to this, we can see that Epsilon Eridani in the Haloverse also has At Least Two Planets, or a planet and moon, in addition to Reach.

The real life Epsilon Eridani is also Supposed to Have Three Planets, with at least one of these being a gas giant like Jupiter. Larger picture here. We can also see a massive ringed planet in the Reach trailer.

Epsilon Eridani is also significantly younger than the Solar system, and therefore, less time has passed since planets in Epsilon Eradani have been exposed to heavy bombardment by meteors.

Now if we take a Closer Look at the Surface of Reach, we will see a lot of evidence of impact craters scattered across its surface. Mind you, these may have been caused by the glassing of the planet, but I do not believe that glassing sends plumes of earth into the sky.


[Edited on 10.01.2009 8:03 PM PDT]

  • 10.01.2009 8:01 PM PDT

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You're freaking retarded. GO LOOK AT A PICTURE OF EARTH AT NIGHT!!!!!!!!!! You will see the same "shapes" that are on Reach. ITS CALLED CITIES! Humans build around water. AND YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T READ A SINGLE THING I POSTED. Completely asinine.

  • 10.01.2009 8:05 PM PDT

sorry for everyone who thinks this time travel,but your wrong. if you think about it when he would have gone back in time in halo 3 he is wearing mark vi armor and in halo ce when they are leaving reach he is wearing mark v armor.

if there was no time travel and he randomly went to reach there are lights on "reach" that couldnt happen because they glassd the whole planet and there is nothing left.

  • 10.01.2009 8:12 PM PDT

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well i've herd sumthings about time travel in the halos idk maybe chief is thrown back in time (would be horriblly cheap tho) but who knows what really is next maybe staten should tell us:)

  • 10.01.2009 8:16 PM PDT

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Fail thread for many reasons and i need to only read one thing: the title. I'll give you a few reasons why it is such a fail, ne diffrent colord suns and two it one dosent look human and it also has lights ingraved in odd glyphs in it. the planet and glyphs both indicate forerunner or even percursor.

  • 10.01.2009 8:19 PM PDT

Its so funny to see idiots try to make sense of time travel in the Halo story and fail

  • 10.01.2009 8:26 PM PDT

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I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.

Posted by: goblin95
Its so funny to see idiots try to make sense of time travel in the Halo story and fail
i never said MC time traveled to reach im just talking about the planets in the trailer not the story

[Edited on 10.01.2009 8:31 PM PDT]

  • 10.01.2009 8:30 PM PDT

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It can't be Reach. Reach was glassed, so how can the lights still be on?

  • 10.01.2009 8:32 PM PDT

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