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Subject: Please have graphical innovation like Halo 2

Um... I like Halo? I don't really know what to say. I'm a student at the moment, I hope to become a criminal profiler, and I enjoy pretty much everything as long as it's good.

I want Halo to end on such a high note that glass breaks for miles around whenever anyone pops in the game. I want this game to look so damn good that children's faces will be melted off just because of the sheer amount of awesomeness the graphics have. I want Reach to be so freakishly addictive that the death rate in the U.S. goes up 1.17% the week after the game came out because people could not be taken away from their TV screens. I want Reach to look so damn realistic that it makes Crysis, Uncharted, and Modern Warfare 2 go into the restroom and rub ointment on themselves because of the thourough butt raype the graphics just gave them. These are just the wishes of a very dedicated Halo fan.

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  • 10.04.2009 9:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: ClosedJohn117
I want Halo to end on such a high note that glass breaks for miles around whenever anyone pops in the game. I want this game to look so damn good that children's faces will be melted off just because of the sheer amount of awesomeness the graphics have. I want Reach to be so freakishly addictive that the death rate in the U.S. goes up 1.17% the week after the game came out because people could not be taken away from their TV screens. I want Reach to look so damn realistic that it makes Crysis, Uncharted, and Modern Warfare 2 go into the restroom and rub ointment on themselves because of the thourough butt raype the graphics just gave them. These are just the wishes of a very dedicated Halo fan.
LOL those are some pretty lofty expectations.

  • 10.04.2009 9:32 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Bungie needs to Reach the bar that they set this time... Pun intended!

Here was the bar... and this is how low they went.

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  • 10.04.2009 9:39 PM PDT

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Halo 2? Graphical Innovation?

I've never seen a bigger pile of bull-blam!-.

Halo 2 graphics were bland and overall crappy. It looks like they modeled Lockout in 2 hours, and finished modeling the entire campaign in less then a week.

The only real graphical 'innovation' in H2 was maybe the Covenant. They looked a lot better, and I found it hard to kill the Grunts. Other than that, Halo 2 had horrid graphics.

  • 10.04.2009 9:49 PM PDT
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Playing Reach since 4/30/10!

Posted by: CP0 Fraser
Modern warefare 2's visual design is horribly outdated, wtf are you talking about? the game is very low poly, textures are and always have been horrid, the game reuses the same smoke and particle effects over and over in every big scripted sequence, the one thing it has that makes the visual design seem good is the solid 60fps that makes it feel smooth.

Modernwarfare 2 runs on the same engine that CoD2 ran on, I beleive it powered an age old quake game as well.

Dead wrong. MW2 is run by an in-house proprietary engine, made specifically for the game.

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  • 10.04.2009 9:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ridin Dirtym99
Halo 3 is still the best game out there and its been out forever. graphics arent everything but ODST was a nice tweak of the engine.


No it's not, Gears Of War 2 had way better graphics. It's time to start using the unreal engine.

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Posted by: Ridin Dirtym99
Halo 3 is still the best game out there and its been out forever. graphics arent everything but ODST was a nice tweak of the engine.


No it's not, Gears Of War 2 had way better graphics. It's time to start using the unreal engine.
No.

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Well nothing will beat Crysis in the lighting department and models (bare in mind Console < PC in terms of what kind of power there is), I would like reach to look good (art style and sheer texture detail),to be at 1280x720 (would love higher but i doubt that) internally rendered with some AA (if something needs to go then AA can go), a good amount of AF please! I know its ageing hardware but it's not that hard to have all of that in the right amount. I want Bungie to show what they can really do push the boundary into the realm of Crysis please! (without killing every xbox), also it would be lovely if it was not a xbox exclusive, meaning on PC, if that is a possibility you guys do it and not anyone else.
I know its some amount to ask for but if i was working in Bungie that is what i would strive for, it maybe to late in development for some of this but it can be done and should be for the consumer. TAKE YOUR TIME WITH IT.

  • 10.04.2009 10:04 PM PDT

Fire.

Posted by: camnator
Sorry guys, but I think ODST looks EXACTLY the same to Halo 3 graphically speaking, the ODST armor looks a bit better, and VISR mode looks awesome, but the human faces, hair, and fingers are AWFUL! They look worse than Halo 3.


Agree.

  • 10.04.2009 10:18 PM PDT

Um... I like Halo? I don't really know what to say. I'm a student at the moment, I hope to become a criminal profiler, and I enjoy pretty much everything as long as it's good.

No, just no. Halo should stay a 360 exclusive. I don't want to share it with those PC snobs.

  • 10.04.2009 10:44 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

All I have to say is, if you bought an HDTV and your old TV was similar, but no HD, then your dumb.

  • 10.04.2009 10:48 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

I would much rather have the polish from H2->H3 than the graphics improvement from H1 -> H2.

H3 still cannot work flawlessly with splitscreen, and I prefer gameplay with my friends over shiny baubles.

If it meant no hardware lag, I would thoroughly enjoy a game with H1 level graphics.

And from what I have seen, as the graphics improve, the gameplay suffers. Especially the AI. Halo 2 had glitches up the wazoo, and Halo 3's AI is a joke.

Improve the gameplay fundamentals first, then put a new coat of paint on it.

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  • 10.04.2009 11:03 PM PDT

93% of statistics are lies. Formerly Xfire Grunt. Unfortunately, you can't change the WLID for your BNET account, so I had to create an alternate account. My other WLID was spam city (and it was my e-mail account too).

I think some people judge graphics differently. I look at Charachter models. Halo2 to Halo 3 charachter models look like garbage. Also, Blackout is built later in the development cycle, it looks better then all of the release maps like Lockout. The Modern Warfare 2 Charachter models look pretty sick in my opinion.

Also I'm really looking at the SP graphics. SP graphics IMO are what really matter as far as graphics are concerned.

I don't really see a huge difference between the Halo 2 Warthogs, Halo 2 spartans and the Halo 3 spartans and warthogs. Some of the newer maps do look better though like Heretic. But those are maps that came out 2 years later. The release maps don't look as great. Its sort of like Bungie realized their engine was capable of a lot more later.

  • 10.05.2009 5:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: CP0 Fraser
Modern warefare 2's visual design is horribly outdated, wtf are you talking about? the game is very low poly, textures are and always have been horrid, the game reuses the same smoke and particle effects over and over in every big scripted sequence, the one thing it has that makes the visual design seem good is the solid 60fps that makes it feel smooth.

Modernwarfare 2 runs on the same engine that CoD2 ran on, I beleive it powered an age old quake game as well.

Dead wrong. MW2 is run by an in-house proprietary engine, made specifically for the game.


Yeah, the same proprietary engine that powered cod2 and was licensed to be used in the quake launch title for 360, now it's been updated but it's still an ancient engine.

  • 10.05.2009 5:57 AM PDT

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Have you seen this - Lighting Research at Bungie (if you can't open this then download MS Powerpoint viewer). I think it shows graphics features in Halo Reach. Look at the sky comparision pages - "Previous Model - Halo" 3 vs "Current Model (read - Halo Reach)". Later there are screens showing lightning, sky atmosphere, day and night cycle, realtime shadows etc. It isn't much (some screens and a lot of mathematical equations), but gives a glimpse of what to expect from famous "AAA engine" ;). What do you think of it?

  • 10.05.2009 6:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: CP0 Fraser
Modern warefare 2's visual design is horribly outdated, wtf are you talking about? the game is very low poly, textures are and always have been horrid, the game reuses the same smoke and particle effects over and over in every big scripted sequence, the one thing it has that makes the visual design seem good is the solid 60fps that makes it feel smooth.

Modernwarfare 2 runs on the same engine that CoD2 ran on, I beleive it powered an age old quake game as well.

Dead wrong. MW2 is run by an in-house proprietary engine, made specifically for the game.


Yeah, the same proprietary engine that powered cod2 and was licensed to be used in the quake launch title for 360, now it's been updated but it's still an ancient engine.


Most games are developed on old engines, I only care what it looks like, not how old the technology is.

  • 10.05.2009 4:38 PM PDT

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet...

LINK

  • 10.05.2009 5:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Ksychutrya
Everybody is going to say "graphics don't matter, gameplay does". All right, then why do people spend $2500 on HDTVs and $30 on Blu-Rays?

The people who make HDTVs and Blu-Rays are very good at convinving people to buy that which they don't need.

On a more serious note, do you really think that Bungie would sit around for three years after Halo 3 came out doing nothing? Reach will have a new engine and should have better graphics. One example I can think of that many people do not remember is that one Weekly Update where they had pictures of a program they had made where they fired Johnson into a giant Pach!nko machine to watch him fall. They said they were experimenting with physics that they could possibly use in upcoming games. Aren't we all tired of the same bicycle wheel fall that we see in multiplayer? Making flying bodies more realistic is one of the goals I think Bungie has for the new game, and it probably isn't alone.

Believe.

  • 10.05.2009 5:47 PM PDT

http://www.planethamachi.com/net_detail.php?&net_detail=H alo+2+FM1

Bungie said, Halo REACH will be like jumping from Halo 2 to Halo 3.

  • 10.05.2009 5:53 PM PDT

The point of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.- Gen. George S. Patton.

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I direct you to my article that I made on the subject a while ago. It's quite extensive, and I guarantee it's worth your time.

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I agree that graphics are important and I can't wait to see the improvement in Reach's graphics, but that said they aren't the most important part of the game. Halo 3 is 2 years old and doesn't have the best graphics, but I still think it's the best game.

  • 10.05.2009 5:57 PM PDT

93% of statistics are lies. Formerly Xfire Grunt. Unfortunately, you can't change the WLID for your BNET account, so I had to create an alternate account. My other WLID was spam city (and it was my e-mail account too).

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Posted by: Ksychutrya
Everybody is going to say "graphics don't matter, gameplay does". All right, then why do people spend $2500 on HDTVs and $30 on Blu-Rays?

The people who make HDTVs and Blu-Rays are very good at convinving people to buy that which they don't need.

On a more serious note, do you really think that Bungie would sit around for three years after Halo 3 came out doing nothing? Reach will have a new engine and should have better graphics. One example I can think of that many people do not remember is that one Weekly Update where they had pictures of a program they had made where they fired Johnson into a giant Pach!nko machine to watch him fall. They said they were experimenting with physics that they could possibly use in upcoming games. Aren't we all tired of the same bicycle wheel fall that we see in multiplayer? Making flying bodies more realistic is one of the goals I think Bungie has for the new game, and it probably isn't alone.

Believe.


Yeah and you don't need an XBox 360 any more then you don't need a Blu-Ray player.

Well Halo 3 is on a new system, and it isn't a bigger jump then Halo:CE to Halo 2 for sure.

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Posted by: Noobtoober117
Bungie already anounced that Halo:Reach will have the same graphical advancment as Halo CE to Halo 2.


Link or it never happened.

  • 10.06.2009 4:47 PM PDT

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