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Subject: *An Honest Survey for the Halo Community*

are you stupid theres something called the magical battle rifle that stole the pistols roll. Its kind of sad how people say what we already have and we do complain!!

[Edited on 10.07.2009 7:39 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 7:38 PM PDT

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What a lot of you don't seem to get is that having a single "uber weapon" in matchmaking destroys the dynamic that Bungie has created.

They have often explained that the weapons are designed to be a "Rock, Paper, Scissors" situation. Each weapon excells in it's element but is overpowered by another weapon within it's own element. Having a single weapon that excells in all areas, which is what you're asking for even in you don't understand that, would be like having "Rock, Paper, Scissor, Nuclear Bomb" in which Nuclear Bomb defeats all other choices. This reduces the game to a situation in which everyone just chooses Nuclear Bomb.

Halo CE was not balanced for multi-player. The multi-player element of the game was added at the last minute as an after thought simply because all FPSs coming out at the time were including it. Because of this, Bungie simply took the weapons straight out of campaign and used them for multi. In campaign it's OK to have a single Uber Weapon, in matchmaking...it is not.

There will never be a H:CE Pistol equivalent in matchmaking. It completely defeats all the careful gameplay that Bungie works hard to create and reduces matchmaking to a static style of gameplay that becomes boring quickly for most people.

  • 10.07.2009 8:24 PM PDT

I think they should make the br more of a tactical wep instead of the br pretty much kill any thing. Pretty much.

[Edited on 10.07.2009 8:31 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 8:29 PM PDT

From what I see you want the Halo 2 Demo BR. It was single shot with almost the effect you want. I believe that a weapon like that would be great for Reach if a few tweaks were made.

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  • 10.07.2009 8:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheCyberFreak
What a lot of you don't seem to get is that having a single "uber weapon" in matchmaking destroys the dynamic that Bungie has created.

They have often explained that the weapons are designed to be a "Rock, Paper, Scissors" situation. Each weapon excells in it's element but is overpowered by another weapon within it's own element. Having a single weapon that excells in all areas, which is what you're asking for even in you don't understand that, would be like having "Rock, Paper, Scissor, Nuclear Bomb" in which Nuclear Bomb defeats all other choices. This reduces the game to a situation in which everyone just chooses Nuclear Bomb.

Halo CE was not balanced for multi-player. The multi-player element of the game was added at the last minute as an after thought simply because all FPSs coming out at the time were including it. Because of this, Bungie simply took the weapons straight out of campaign and used them for multi. In campaign it's OK to have a single Uber Weapon, in matchmaking...it is not.

There will never be a H:CE Pistol equivalent in matchmaking. It completely defeats all the careful gameplay that Bungie works hard to create and reduces matchmaking to a static style of gameplay that becomes boring quickly for most people.
There is no "uber weapon." The Pistol, BR and Carbine were all-around weapons. Best in one range (medium) like all the other guns have their own range. They can also operate in other ranges, but not as well as in its own range. This is not a nuke. It's more like aluminum.

Rock, Paper, Scissors, Aluminum.

Rock can dent aluminum, but only if thrown hard enough, Paper can cover it up but may get torn if its not careful, and scissors will cut it if they are sharp enough.

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  • 10.07.2009 8:35 PM PDT

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  • 10.07.2009 8:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheCyberFreak
What a lot of you don't seem to get is that having a single "uber weapon" in matchmaking destroys the dynamic that Bungie has created.

They have often explained that the weapons are designed to be a "Rock, Paper, Scissors" situation. Each weapon excells in it's element but is overpowered by another weapon within it's own element. Having a single weapon that excells in all areas, which is what you're asking for even in you don't understand that, would be like having "Rock, Paper, Scissor, Nuclear Bomb" in which Nuclear Bomb defeats all other choices. This reduces the game to a situation in which everyone just chooses Nuclear Bomb.

Halo CE was not balanced for multi-player. The multi-player element of the game was added at the last minute as an after thought simply because all FPSs coming out at the time were including it. Because of this, Bungie simply took the weapons straight out of campaign and used them for multi. In campaign it's OK to have a single Uber Weapon, in matchmaking...it is not.

There will never be a H:CE Pistol equivalent in matchmaking. It completely defeats all the careful gameplay that Bungie works hard to create and reduces matchmaking to a static style of gameplay that becomes boring quickly for most people.


According to your logic, when was the last time someone used a Spiker close range against a BR?

Who says, "Oh hey! There's a Spiker! Let me use it only for when I'm close range instead of my all purpose BR!"

No one. You're making it seem like they won't balance it out whatsoever and that the single shot Pistol/Rifle will shoot Rockets...

  • 10.08.2009 12:30 AM PDT

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  • 10.08.2009 3:09 AM PDT

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Ummm, no. If the Carbine was more like ODST's Carbine of the Halo 3 Beta Carbine, then maybe I'd agree with you. The way it is now though... No.

  • 10.09.2009 6:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

That was actually the initial intent with the Halo 2 Battle Rifle. It was supposed to be a single-shot weapon. I do not know why they took it out but it is to my understanding that it would have been nothing more than a weak version of the sniper rifle.

Although when you think about it that probably is not the reason.

  • 10.09.2009 6:32 PM PDT

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If the BR worked like this would you want it?


My answer - YES!

  • 10.12.2009 11:50 AM PDT

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Yeah, sure. That's what I disliked about the Halo 1 pistol; it's skin. I know, I know, it's a poor reason to -blam!- about it, but I'm a man that likes when aesthetic and function are combined sensibly, and the Halo 1 pistol was not made with both in mind. The aesthetic of the pistol, and the function of a rifle; it just wasn't a likable gun (but yeah, it did the job really well).

However, I'm a huge fan of the Carbine, so I wouldn't want to see a human weapon re-worked in such a way that would essentially overlap with the Carbine in function. I'm not the biggest fan of the BR, but only for the reason that it's it's a topic of discussion when it shouldn't be. People just -blam!- because they want a perfect weapon, when there's no realistic reason why there should be a perfect weapon in a video game. The 3-shot burst is a nice little tool, and often makes the kill-shot a lot easier, giving it a nice longer-distance edge over the carbine (which is slightly more inaccurate). It gives the two weapons the ability to coexist.

My counter-question is this: Would people still complain if each three shot burst of the BR was compiled into one bullet, but keeping the spacing between shots the same? In other words, four shots (and four bullets) to the head will kill, but the time it would take to do that would be the same as it is now? Would people like this better, or worse?

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I would like that better because if you miss, you miss. More than likely that's how it would happen unless the game was extremely laggy and you have the Sniper headshots failure scenario...

The BR in that video I linked to from the Halo 2 E3 demo should've stayed.

  • 10.14.2009 2:53 PM PDT
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Did you even play CE? The pistol was an overpowered r@pe machine, even if it was added as a rifle it would still be just as bad, if not worse than the BR.

  • 10.14.2009 2:56 PM PDT

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Id love if the Br was brought into the campaign at very few occasions and it worked exactly like the CE pistol. Of course the pistol would have to work more like the automag or the magnum. This would mean the AR could have a slightly longer accuracy range aswell.

  • 10.14.2009 2:58 PM PDT

Gameplay-wise, is the weapon you planned a rifle or a pistol? I mean, is it weak(ish) against shields (CAMPAIGN!one) like the pistols from H1 and ODST, or powerful against shields like the Carbine, or okay like the H2BR?

  • 10.14.2009 3:04 PM PDT

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I agree for the most part, even if it was a burst weapon. Just remove the utility. As it stands the BR is just far too useful. If they dropped it all together and threw carbines on to every map the problem would be effectively solved (for the most part).

  • 10.14.2009 3:09 PM PDT

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i wouldn't mind but the BR should still be in the Game

  • 10.14.2009 3:56 PM PDT

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