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The BR has no validated reasoning to stay in the game, Halo: REACH, depending on which spartans, granted that we are spartans... That we play as, it would be off canon, the BR was in a prototype form at the time.

The gameplay that goes into the BR, is very competitive, monotonous, and straight up, boring. If the BR was taken out we would get that "feeling" we got from Halo CE again, without the pistol... Fun, Crazy, strategic gameplay.

  • 10.07.2009 12:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Czar_CJ_Elm
The AR could replace the BR here is my reasoning

the MA5 is a brilliant weapon
- it fires a 7.62x51fmj hence it would be effective past 500m
- its a bull-pup so it would be good in close quarters
the AR should be a jack of trades weapon good at everything perfect at nothing


as for the quote. its a game, not real life. back on topic, the br is a perfectly fine weapon. as a sniper excels at range, as does the assault rifle at close range. but they dont need to be replaced.

  • 10.07.2009 12:14 PM PDT

Having fun in Lala land.

I believe they should either keep it the same, make it weaker but automatic and a larger magazine, or make it pure semiautomatic but with a bigger punch and a smaller magazine.

  • 10.07.2009 12:15 PM PDT

Corn, Oil, and Wine... We need more wine...

Posted by: winger3000
Posted by: Czar_CJ_Elm
The AR could replace the BR here is my reasoning

the MA5 is a brilliant weapon
- it fires a 7.62x51fmj hence it would be effective past 500m
- its a bull-pup so it would be good in close quarters
the AR should be a jack of trades weapon good at everything perfect at nothing


as for the quote. its a game, not real life. back on topic, the br is a perfectly fine weapon. as a sniper excels at range, as does the assault rifle at close range. but they dont need to be replaced.


The BR works well at any range, not exceling but well, and to many players, well is... Well, amazing and they need no other weapon, thus reducing the variety we had in Halo Ce, and games like COD 4.

  • 10.07.2009 12:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: winger3000
Posted by: Czar_CJ_Elm
The AR could replace the BR here is my reasoning

the MA5 is a brilliant weapon
- it fires a 7.62x51fmj hence it would be effective past 500m
- its a bull-pup so it would be good in close quarters
the AR should be a jack of trades weapon good at everything perfect at nothing


as for the quote. its a game, not real life. back on topic, the br is a perfectly fine weapon. as a sniper excels at range, as does the assault rifle at close range. but they dont need to be replaced.


The BR works well at any range, not exceling but well, and to many players, well is... Well, amazing and they need no other weapon, thus reducing the variety we had in Halo Ce, and games like COD 4.


thats down to people choosing what gun to use. so now everyone has to use guns they suck with? come on!? as if.and cod4 is fine, whereas WaW is a different story, what with all them mp40's.

  • 10.07.2009 12:23 PM PDT
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BR goes.

The BR is very efficient and balanced against other weapons - perhaps too much. What I mean is that on any gametype, any map, all you have to do is rush for the nearest BR. It can take down Rockets, Snipers, Assault Rifles, and even vehicles. Yes, they can do the same to someone who has a BR, but if you don't have a BR, you've pretty much already lost. I want a variety of weapons that all have their own specific roles.

I don't want useless weapons like, for example, the Magnum of Halo 3. Yes, it can get a fair kill or two, but it's nothing compared to a Sniper or BR. The BR is essentially a Magnum 2.0. Having both weapons in the game just doesn't make sense (unless you spawn with a Magnum as secondary, of course, but that wasn't its original purpose).

What I'd like is if the BR was split into two different weapons: for example, a scoped, single-shot weapon (like the Automag of ODST) and a slightly more powerful 3-shot weapon without a scope. That way, it doesn't make either weapon a jack of all trades, but keeps them with their own separate purposes that are fulfilled better than the BR did.

I'm not saying that the BR is a completely useless weapon (I'm saying the opposite, in fact); it's enjoyable and balanced to use. I just think that it could be improved upon. I was quite happy to see the BR go in ODST, and the Automag is an excellent replacement for it. I'll still gladly use the BR if I get the chance in Halo 3.

  • 10.07.2009 12:33 PM PDT

Its a trap!!!

I dont know what every one is talking about. I am all for the BR and I still use almost all the weapons

I use the power weapons of course. I add the SMG as backup to my BR over the AR. I will pick up the plasma rifle for close range beat downs.

I ocassionaly pick up dual spikers. They really can throw people off guard in a quick rush. I only use it once or twice in games to keep it from being perdictable.

I pick up the brute shot a lot. The splash damage is worth it to me espcially if i can get some ariel shots or back them against a wall.

The needler as most know definetly has its moments.

The magnum I will agree is kinda stupid to have with the BR. But sometimes i will pick it up as a back up weapon to the BR. Sometimes I exaust my clip fighting too many before reloading. The pistol has saved me many times.

The BR fills the midrange nicely. I still pick up other weapons so i dont think it hurts gameplay.

  • 10.08.2009 1:40 AM PDT

Posted by: Czar_CJ_Elm
The AR could replace the BR here is my reasoning

the MA5 is a brilliant weapon
- it fires a 7.62x51fmj hence it would be effective past 500m
- its a bull-pup so it would be good in close quarters
the AR should be a jack of trades weapon good at everything perfect at nothing

in halo 3 game-play however the bullets disappear at about 150m and is barely accurate when fired in burst. it sounds like an automatic bb gun.

i would like to see some simple changes with this weapon that i believe would make game-play funner

1. make it loud, the halo 1 AR was just worthless in every aspect however the unmistakable rumble of the weapon made it worth using

2. make auto-fire accurate, yes the MA5 would have ungodly recoil however, this should not have such an effect on a 2 ton spartan. I'm not saying it should be dead center accurate in auto-fire but a spartan should be able put rounds in the center of mass at 100 yards

3. make head shots lethal, i find it ridiculous that there are a select few weapons that have a head shot ability

4. give an aim or optical zoom ability, the MA5 should be dead center accurate when fired controlled burst and with an optical zoom and lethal head shots this could replace the BR

I agree with everything you say good sir.

  • 10.08.2009 1:48 AM PDT
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Who ever said removing the BR would screw the sales of Halo:Reach I have 1 thing to say to you.

You sir, are an idiot.

Are you saying people won't buy a game just because it lacks a weapon that is commonly used by players who are lazy and don't train in other weapon categories which is overpowered?

  • 10.08.2009 2:06 AM PDT

Hey, I just like the BR, I'm not gonna argue about it. No way it should be taken out of the game. If I can put up with AR starts, you can put up with BR starts.

  • 10.08.2009 2:13 AM PDT

I like the BR it kill in 4 shots and goes pew pew. that valid enough reasoning for ya?

  • 10.08.2009 2:24 AM PDT

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I like the BR it kill in 4 shots and goes pew pew. that valid enough reasoning for ya?


Indeed.

  • 10.08.2009 2:27 AM PDT

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.

Put simply in the words of Nietzsche as "the will to nothingness".

Bungie please stop this rampant speculation and tell us whether or not the damn gun is going to be in Reach or not, end this constant madness.

  • 10.08.2009 2:32 AM PDT

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I think it should stay. Some may say the pistol is caomparable... but it's a pistol. I feel about the BR the same way I feel about the M16 in CoD4. It's a strong gun, and in a real fight, you want an overpowered gun.

  • 10.08.2009 2:43 AM PDT

New here and im not looking for recon :P

the battle rifle is the best gun there is no doubt

  • 10.08.2009 2:51 AM PDT

BR should be a counter sniping weapon only.

  • 10.08.2009 3:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Desert Wolf
im one second from taking this to the next level.

Balanced out, as well as NEVER a starting weapon. EVER. Only the MLG playlist should have BR starts. The Pistol is a great way to keep headshots possible at start without turning the match into a BR fest.

The Battle Rifle should have its scope and spread removed, making it more like a stronger, but slightly less accurate (because of the scope loss) human Carbine. This way, snipers would still have the marked advantage they deserve with a ranged weapon over a mid-long range weapon.

  • 10.08.2009 3:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: JETST0RM
Balanced out, as well as NEVER a starting weapon. EVER. Only the MLG playlist should have BR starts.
Just asking: Why?

I like BR starts in Halo 3, but honestly couldn't care for MLG (I actually find it kind of ironic that their fanbase constantly goes on about skill and aiming when there's a Rocket Launcher in the playlist). Not everyone who has a preference to BR starts is an "EmElGee Pro". Even in games where I start with a BR, I still pick up weapons that are worth picking up (SMG, Sniper, Laser, Rockets, Dual Maulers, etc...)

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  • 10.08.2009 3:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Desert Wolf
im one second from taking this to the next level.

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Posted by: JETST0RM
Balanced out, as well as NEVER a starting weapon. EVER. Only the MLG playlist should have BR starts.
Just asking: Why?

I like BR starts in Halo 3, but honestly couldn't care for MLG (I actually find it kind of ironic that their fanbase constantly goes on about skill and aiming when there's a Rocket Launhcer in the playlist). Not everyone who has a preference to BR starts is an "EmElGee Pro". Even in games where I start with a BR, I still pick up weapons that are worth picking up (SMG, Sniper, Laser, Rockets, Dual Maulers, etc...)
For me, it's a balance issue. The BR in skilled hands, and not even VERY skilled hands, just someone who knows how to play, can beat almost any weapon. It has range, power, a nice deep clip, a scope, and we START with it?!

When you start with one of, if not THE best weapon, it takes a major chunk of the gameplay out. A good example is ODST. When we don't have the constant crutch that is the Battle Rifle, we have to think again. We have to be more crafty in our approach.

I know people would miss it. Hell, I think it's a great weapon. And for that very reason, it must be destroyed. Or at least balanced better. Without the BR, skilled players, and I mean truly skilled players who use teamwork and ALL the weapons would begin to stand out a lot more.

The Battle Rifle waters down the gameplay, just the way the uber melee did in combination with the Assault Rifle. I hope that ODST was Bungie's way of preparing us for some new balance in Reach.

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I disagree. There are plenty of weapons that can beat a Battle Rifle, if you use them correctly. The SMG, Sniper, Rockets, and heck, even an AR can beat a Battle Rifle if you use them properly.

The BR isn't overpowered (imo), it's people who use different weapons incorrectly that makes it seem like it's overpowered.

And if the BR is overpowered, then so is the Carbine.

  • 10.08.2009 3:41 AM PDT
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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: fifthderelicte
...if you had snipers lying all over the map, those would be what everyone used. Just because it's the 1)most abundant 2) easiest 3) medium ranged 4)efficient map controlling weapon in the game doesn't mean it should stay or that it isn't bad. I've already proposed what many others have proposed all over these forums. The BR is broken because it's too random to four shot consistently and too easy to headshot with. Take it out and replace it with the carbine or a similar type weapon that takes skill to use, and reduce the random spread on it. Then it would take more skill plus be a good tactical weapon. But this time you'd actually earn your kills.

BR vs. Carbine comparison Taken from here

Carbines...

-Must aim 7 separate times verses 4 times

-2 kills per clip verses 3 kills per clip (fully shielded)

-6.75 kills per weapon pickup verses 9

-Single shot for attempted headshot verses burst shot (only need one bullet to hit, making headshots SOOOOO easy)

-Single shot verses burst, meaning all or nothing versus hit, miss, or partially hit

-Green and very visible and easy trail to follow (like every other mid to long range weapon: laser, sniper, rockets, etc) versus bullets that are much more difficult to notice

-The amount of skill needed to use the carbine is greater, meaning better players can distinguish themselves and there will be more gaps between skills.

-Carbines can kill as fast as you can shoot 8 rounds with a headshot (on the last shot), meaning there can be significant differentiation in time it takes to kill (a few tenths of a second). A good carbine can kill faster than a BR, but a bad one will fail. The BR isn't controlled by that mechanic, but rather built in delay in ROF.

-Some may consider this difference insignificant, but the reticule with the BR is easier to use. The way the crosshairs work, they come together to center the BR reticule much better. With the carbine, the crosshairs don't extend into the middle (where you'd aim for headshot), so you have to manually know where the center is much better.

-2.4 second cooldown time (reload) vs. 2.0 seconds


I'm not saying that skilless (or minimal skill) weapons can't be in the game. I'm just upset that everyone advocates a BR for such a pivotal role. It's role is to be a mid-range controlling weapon, but it's randomness and burst fire are not conducive to setting players apart. Sure, people who are good with the BR can distinguish themselves from those who aren't. But H3 watered down the playing field with the weapons, and now you have a lot of kids who think they're BR pro. Give us a weapon that only a few people will truly master and the greats can set themselves apart. Bring back the skill gap and the learning curve.


Great Post.

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As to the OP, why dont you keep the damn poll as YES, or NO?

At the moment the poll goes like:
Yes
No
No but do A
No but do B
No but keep the skin

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My main problem with the BR is that the weapon overpowers a great deal of the other weapons, to the point where it renders them useless. Go look at the Halo 3 Record of every player who is 35+ on ranked matches and you will see the BR taking the first spot. The BR is the best weapon to use to the point where its THE only weapon you can basically rely on at an all around setting. To the point where you have 1 team with BRs, and the other team starting with ARs and they wont do anything to you if you guard those BR spawn points. Sure, by sheer firepower 4 people shooting at 1 guy and throwing grenades at him will probably kill him but the BR team will kill the 4 players for that 1.

Why dont you see the people using the Carbine more often? Well, for the reasons stated on the post i quoted. Its a weapon where your shots either hit or miss. Whereas the BR can initially miss but still partially hit the other player.

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  • 10.08.2009 4:37 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?

Nope, Halo: CE didnt need it and is the best of the entire series, the BR is partly responsible for all of this negative 4 shot nonsense.

The BR was overpowered and too much of a jack of all trades gun....bye bye BR shut the weapons locker on your way out...

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  • 10.08.2009 4:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: hiterXxX117
it's a balanced weapon [/quote]
I lol'd
it can strip shields, but not as fast as a plasma weapon or a full auto weapon [/quote] Only if the plasma or fully automatic weaponis a very short distance away (excluding a lucky overcharged plasma bolt)
it can head shot, but it's not accurate at long range at all [/quote] It is accurate from across two thirds of most maps. Guardian and The Pit (among others) can headshot from almost anywhere (excluding the long section of The Pit that's rarelyused anyway.
and it take some skills to use, also anyone can become good with it,with practice..so it a weapon made with anyone in mind. Not really. It takes hours of practice to become mediocre at, for many people, and meanwhile they are etting dominated by the people that have already mastered it. In other words: it's very challenging to use as a new player but far too easy, easier than most other weapons, for slightly or more experienced players

so to say it the short way, it mediocore at EVERYTHING But at any range, except for EXTREMELY close, it dominates all but a few weapons. That's not what I'd consider mediocre.

Also dont hate the MLG for using the BR,
they practice 10 hours a day to become good, if anyone practiced 10 hours a day, they be as good as them
No complaints from me either; they would just use another weapon to win anyway.

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  • 10.08.2009 4:56 AM PDT

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Sticking to story terms id lose the BR in reach. I like the br better than the AR and if this was a game after h3 id totally dissagree and want the br to stay. But sticking to story terms would mean no hammer and sword and i think they brought a lot of exitment to h3 and h2.

  • 10.08.2009 5:04 AM PDT

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