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Subject: Does the community really want BR's?

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LOL. Of course the BR should stay, and I doubt Bungie is dumb enough to keep it out of Reach multiplayer.

  • 10.08.2009 5:36 AM PDT
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Sure it would be nice to have it and all, but first of all I don't think it would make sense in terms of story placement, and second, I think Reach is a chance for Bungie to really take a newer turn in terms of weapons with the Halo series.

  • 10.08.2009 6:00 AM PDT

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i love it it is the best map on halo 3 me and my bro we -blam!- every wone we wone by 61 becaues they fill to thier death becuse we wore bitting thim. and if you hate it you mast be bad............

I could really care less as long as there is a starting weapon with the same purpose as the CE pistol or BR, being able to defend yourself off spawn while still taking skill to be able to kill someone in a one on one battle.

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  • 10.08.2009 6:16 AM PDT
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i could live with having the BR, but it being 5-shots, instead of 4. :]

(still head-shot weapon tho)

  • 10.08.2009 7:19 AM PDT
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IMO, there are several problems with it:

1. Being a burst weapon is fine. Heck, we have automatic weapons in Halo. The problem with this burst weapon, however, is that it's headshot capable. Think about SWAT and how easy it is to get headshots on unshielded people as opposed to using a single magnum or carbine. BRs allow you to swipe shoot and it makes headshotting take 0 skill.

2. But what about all those times you're in an epic battle with someone because you can't get the headshot at the range you're at? Doesn't that mean it does take aim? Not at all. Just think about all the complaints about the BR's accuracy. It is random at all but the closest medium range situations (it starts to go at a distance from gold to in front of snipe on guardian). This randomness makes for imprecise battles and can cause the victor not to be the one with the most skill, but the one who got the lucky break.

3. Of course a lot of weapons work that way, and we don't want a sniper, right? Well, how many snipers take 12 bullets to kill? The BR and carbine are both intended to be medium/medium-long weapons. When you make the core weaponset (those weapons which control the map the best, but aren't power weapons - so you can find them more readily)random, it means that you are randomizing the most used guns in the game. When you do that, it means you downplay skill. So how can you make a core weapon be just that - a great map controlling weapon - but one that is not a sniper and overpowered? I'll tell you.

What needs to be done for a headshot capable, core weapon, is to not have burst, first of all. When that's completed, the accuracy needs to be bumped up to almost perfect. On top of that, the zoom may be toned down just a bit, or maybe kept the same. Think about how hard it would be to headshot someone across standoff, even if the BR accuracy was almost perfect. The lack of zoom on the reticule makes it harder to hit targets because you're not zoomed in. The same thing applies to any of you hunters out there. You know what I'm talking about, when you move from your 22 with the dinky scope to your 243 with the massive scope.

This will allow the BR to be a skilled, accurate core weapon, but it will actually make it harder to get headshots at range (you can't get lucky with a random burst), but doable with skill. This not only makes the gameplay much better and more consistent, but it makes the skill gap larger too, which would be great. Compare the amount of those in the 40s from H3 to H2. It's gross.

4. Finally, if you still think the BR would be like a sniper, think about this. If the BR were made to be single fire, you would then technically need 12 bullets to kill. I think that's a little too much, and should either bump up the rate of fire, or move it down to 8 shots to kill (same as carbine). The big thing with these tweaks are to play with the power and rate of fire to make the BR kill in the amount of time you want it to be able to kill (around the time it kills now). With this and the single shot implemented, you have to skillfully land 8-12 different shots, rather than allow the burst to help you get lucky (or unlucky) at times.

As it stands, the current BR is very used because it's a core weapon, it's powerful, and it's prevalent. However, it is a random, lucky, and easy weapon (in terms of HS anyway). They need to fix it to be a fine tuned, sklled, consistent weapon that will increase the skill gap.

  • 10.08.2009 8:03 AM PDT

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I say remove it, at least as a starting weapon and split it into the ODST SMG and Automag.

  • 10.08.2009 8:31 AM PDT

whats wrong with you people............
you cant replace the BR, there is nothing like it you cant replace it.
dumb kents.

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  • 10.08.2009 8:34 AM PDT

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I AM JUST GOINT TO POINT OUT, AT THE TIME OF THIS POST 56% OF THE VOTERS EITHER WANT THE BR TAKEN OUT OR CHANGED IN SOME WAY

  • 10.08.2009 8:49 AM PDT

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Balanced out by making it single shot but with extended clip.

  • 10.08.2009 9:13 AM PDT

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All weapons need to be re-tooled. The only reason the BR is overused is because the majority of the weapons in H2 and 3 are worthless past close range. Everything (except sword/hammer/mauler/flamethrower) should be capable of close-midrange if pulsed, and medium or mid-long range if single shotted.

This would make the BR less powerful (unless you were simply very good with it). Remove the burst because online it makes the gameplay too inconsistent against shielded opponents, and too noob-friendly with the swipe-shot against unshielded opponents.

Make the BR single shot, essentially a re-skinned Halo 1 Pistol, identical in all ways to the M6D, but it would take 5 headshots to kill instead of the 3 from Halo 1.

  • 10.08.2009 9:43 AM PDT

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I'd quite like to see a rapid fire rifle (fast as you can pull the trigger) kinda like the carbine but a human version. It'd make a good headshot weapon.

I like the BR but too often in games you'll have people using nothing but instead of being an all round player.

I'm hoping reach is going to have a lot more weapon choices, i'd like to see some kind of deployable gauss turret, a shield you could carry (like the hunters armguard but for spartans) and use as a powerful melee.

It'd also be nice to see customisation that affects gameplay, i'm not talking CoD style perks but it'd maybe be nice to unlock jet boosters or other upgrades.

I know that they have to put the classic weapons in there I just think it'd be nice to have a few more human medium weapons, a choice of what you spawn with in certain games would also be a nice touch.

Posted by: Talis717
Ever since Halo 2, the Halo community has been addicted to the battle rifle. Halo 3 only fed this addiction, but ODST made us go cold turkey. Since Reach has been announced, a valid question has been asked many times. What about the Battle Rifle? I have proposed some ideas, which I will explain

1. BR stays....(self explanatory)
Please, if you choose either this or 2., write a valid comment if you decide to post, dont bump or anything, just your opinion, maybe an idea.

2. BR goes.....(self explanatory)

3.Should be replaced by a new weapon
I don't know, defintly some form of medium weapon, however, like the assault rifle, but with headshots (Like a single fire rifle?)

4. Should be replaced by ODST smg
Old smg would also be gone, but would instead marry purpose with the BR to create one, medium weapon. (Headshot, scope, rapid fire, semi or full auto.)

5. Should be balanced out.
This is a tough one. If the BR were balanced out, we would probably end up with a situation much like the differences between Halo 2 and 3 BR's, or something more major like how all dual weapons are now considered weak and do not have purpose, much like a wimpy Battle Rifle. Maybe add an extra shot or 2 for taking down an opponent.
The BR could also become a power weapons, much like the shotgun or sniper. It would be the best weapon that excels in a certain range (mid) but would be sparse. This would create a much more important emphasize on its power, and help balance out gameplay.

Those are just a few of my ideas. I hope you guys come up with some valid ideas also, and include reasoning. And please dont give any crap about 'YOUR TOD ISNT THE BR', or YOU HATE IT. It''s a poll, meant to express opinions. Everyone has their own opinion, and arguing about someone elses opinon is just stupid.

I would appreciate it if a employee of bungie could give their own views of the BR, like a weapons designer or programmer,,


  • 10.08.2009 9:59 AM PDT

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I'd quite like to see a rapid fire rifle (fast as you can pull the trigger) kinda like the carbine but a human version. It'd make a good headshot weapon.

I like the BR but too often in games you'll have people using nothing but instead of being an all round player.

I'm hoping reach is going to have a lot more weapon choices, i'd like to see some kind of deployable gauss turret, a shield you could carry (like the hunters armguard but for spartans) and use as a powerful melee.

It'd also be nice to see customisation that affects gameplay, i'm not talking CoD style perks but it'd maybe be nice to unlock jet boosters or other upgrades.

I know that they have to put the classic weapons in there I just think it'd be nice to have a few more human medium weapons, a choice of what you spawn with in certain games would also be a nice touch.

  • 10.08.2009 10:00 AM PDT

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I dont know why this post is up, The BR is and has been balanced for each game it was involved in. Being a 3 shot in H2 it was fine back then, and its fine now as a 4 shot. all you people -blam!-ing have to step up your game its fine, maybe your the person who isnt balanced lol. I doubt this thread is gunna change anything about the BR so it was a waste of breath to explain bullets, dmg, or anything of that sort. Bungie has it covered. The reason it wasnt in ODST is cause we had a sniper smg and pistol, who the -blam!- cares we didnt get a BR, and firefight isnt even for MM, its for you and your buddies to have some alien killing fun.

  • 10.08.2009 10:04 AM PDT
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I like the Battle Rifle. It makes me all tingly inside. Therefore, it stays. End of discussion.

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I think the BR should be eliminated and a new weapon should be brought in. I think we all agree that the current halo weapons are getting a little boring to use and we need something new and exciting.

  • 10.08.2009 12:40 PM PDT

Ok here is an idea why dont they just put the BR in multiplayer that way the story can stay canon and the MLG peeps can have their BR.

  • 10.08.2009 12:45 PM PDT
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The BR should stay because it is a weapon that really shows the difference between who is a good player and who is a poor player. I also believe the AR should be removed from the game because it gives poor players an outlet weapon that doesn't require headshots for kills. By keeping the BR and eliminating the AR the better players would be good again instead of spawning with a spray and pray weapon that anyone can use.

  • 10.08.2009 12:46 PM PDT
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ALSO...The spread on the BR should be tweaked back to the way it was in H2 so it can actually be used effectively at a long range.

  • 10.08.2009 12:48 PM PDT

Personally, I think an actual "skilled" person in Halo 3 is someone who knows how to win with every weapon and combo in the game, not just a single weapon like the BR, Sniper, or even the AR. Of course, that excludes me, as I have yet to get a kill with dual plasma pistols. :D

If the BR can be rebalanced so it's not a do-all weapon, instead having its uses and weaknesses like all of the other weapons, then keep it. If it can't be rebalanced, no.

  • 10.08.2009 12:53 PM PDT

I want the MA5K Assault Carbine from Ghosts

  • 10.08.2009 12:57 PM PDT
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I think the BR is ok the way it is in Halo 3. It isn't good at close range (less than 10WU), and it functions as a mid range/anti-sniper weapon as it should.

However I do think that there could be more mid to long range weapons. Maybe a Longer Range AR/BR hybrid? Bringing back the H1 pistol would be pretty nice. Also I think that a lot of hardcore players would be really happy if there was a setting in the custom games options for bullet spread accuracy for various weapons.

  • 10.08.2009 1:04 PM PDT

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I think there is going to always be a common weapon that the majority uses. It will be a weapon that probably kills efficiently and people will complain about it whether it's the BR or not.

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