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u guys dont listen...how much money and time is spent just to find someone with that genetic code, and how much more time and money to ensure his basic training and augmentations and that fancy armor. Ill anwser that: A LOT! With all that researchs and things they do to make one spartan they could be using that to train a hell of an army. I know spartans can beat 1 or 2 ODST, but what against a full squad? he doesnt have a chance, ODST r more pratical and easier to train then spartans, for that ODST win. Numbers over super strength of the spartans.

[Edited on 12.28.2010 5:50 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2010 5:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Classic Blaze
u guys dont listen...how much money and time is spent just to find someone with that genetic code, and how much more time and money to ensure his basic training and augmentations and that fancy armor. Ill anwser that: A LOT! With all that researchs and things they do to make one spartan they could be using that to train a hell of an army. I know spartans can beat 1 or 2 ODST, but what against a full squad? he doesnt have a chance, ODST r more pratical and easier to train then spartans, for that ODST win. Numbers over super strength of the spartans.


Er... the battle of Thermopylae? 300 Spartan warriors against the Persian army, the Greeks lost and 4000 men died, however they absolutely slaughtered the Persians and killed 20,000 of their men. The moral of that part of history was that sheer numbers =/= victory.

3 Spartans of Blue Team literally wiped out an army of 1000 Grunts, they could easily beat a squad of ODSTs. If John could kill 2 ODSTs in a matter of seconds when he was no older than 10, imagine what an army of full-grown Spartans could do to a legion of ODSTs.

  • 12.29.2010 3:10 PM PDT
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the spartans at the battle of Thermopylae had ground advantege where enemy numbers didnt matter...when they lost that advantage they died, sure they killed a lot but without ground superiority they would be killed sooner. First those persians were comon infantry units...nothing special, just grunts, so they could be easily killed by superior units like those spartans. And this is no "medieval" combat is modern combat, that has a lot of different combat strategies.

ODST r the best of the best with superior training and they could easily outnumber the spartans and u know how easily a spartans shields can be depleted by just one assault rifle clip now multiply that by 6 and the spartans is dead for sure...

6 spartans x 6 ODST the sparatns would win...but ODST numbers r far more superior so it would be like 6 spartans against thousand of ODST's...just imagine...no way the spartans could beat even with all the augmentations and fancy armor.

yeah...every1 know that jonh beat down 2 ODST and hurt the other 2...but they were not prepared, they were taken by surprise, would u expect a teenager to do that? Of course not, and with those augmentations and rage inside jonh he destroyed the desmoralised ODST in hand to hand combat, if they knew what they would be facing, they could be better prepared.

Now im tired....

  • 01.01.2011 8:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Classic Blaze
the spartans at the battle of Thermopylae had ground advantege where enemy numbers didnt matter...when they lost that advantage they died, sure they killed a lot but without ground superiority they would be killed sooner. First those persians were comon infantry units...nothing special, just grunts, so they could be easily killed by superior units like those spartans. And this is no "medieval" combat is modern combat, that has a lot of different combat strategies.


What does that matter? 300 Spartans killed thousands of Persians, comman infantry units or not that is an unprecedented massacre.

Oh, and it is mentioned many times in the books that young Spartans learned about acient history battles. Believe it or not, those archaic tactics are still being employed and adapted for use today.

ODST r the best of the best with superior training and they could easily outnumber the spartans and u know how easily a spartans shields can be depleted by just one assault rifle clip now multiply that by 6 and the spartans is dead for sure...

lolno

A Spartan's energy shields are susceptible to plasma rounds, conventional bullets do little to no harm against them - gameplay =/= canon. Your "logic" seems to rely on the Spartans just standing still and taking every shot fired at them...

6 spartans x 6 ODST the sparatns would win...but ODST numbers r far more superior so it would be like 6 spartans against thousand of ODST's...just imagine...no way the spartans could beat even with all the augmentations and fancy armor.

Duh, you're arguing the obvious here and it's not doing any credit for your argument. 6 Spartans against several thousand ODSTs is a no-brainer...

yeah...every1 know that jonh beat down 2 ODST and hurt the other 2...but they were not prepared, they were taken by surprise, would u expect a teenager to do that? Of course not, and with those augmentations and rage inside jonh he destroyed the desmoralised ODST in hand to hand combat, if they knew what they would be facing, they could be better prepared.

No, those ODSTs were starting a fight with him, of course they'd have expected him to fight back. And you're just supporting my argument by saying an obvious advantage comes from the augmentations, slice it how you like, S-IIs are superior to ODSTs.

Since you're content to argue to the contrary, please explain to me why the UNSC didn't start funding to train their soldiers better to be like ODSTs instead of spending it all on a few dozen S-IIs that cost the equivalent of an entire battlegroup. The logical answer? S-IIs are better.

  • 01.01.2011 1:52 PM PDT
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True, i based my facts on gameplay not canon (srry about that), so right u made ur point, still, even with balistic based weapons the spartans shield cannot sustain heavy or multiple fire of an full squad of ODST's, what i was trying to say is that based on numbers and training the ODST seens to be more effective and practical, i know that spartans have superior training and all those fancy things, i know they r great soldiers, i know what they r capable of, they have my respect and thank god they were there fighting the Covenant. But i just think that ODST's r more effective, they face impossible missions with only their skill and training when the spartans have that and augmentantions and mjolnir armor what is a hell of an advantage to them, and still even without that the ODST's can complete those "suicidal" missions with pride in their hearts knowing they dont need any stuff that spartans have, beacause they r already awesome.

PS: i know it was a massacre even with ground superiority. they put a hell of an fight against the persians, but when they lost their advantage, they just died...yeah of course they died, how could them face an entire army of persians and survive? no way...but still they put a good fight, a really good one...the persians should be ashamed

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  • 01.01.2011 2:15 PM PDT

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I believe we have an understanding now then?

  • 01.01.2011 5:07 PM PDT
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spartans win just look a master chief

  • 01.01.2011 7:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
I believe we have an understanding now then?


Yes, we have :)

U may be right...i will never see an ODST rushing towards an army of brutes like that one in the Halo 3 trailer with Master Thief and survive...But ODST r still awesome

[Edited on 01.02.2011 7:11 AM PST]

  • 01.02.2011 5:21 AM PDT

All your questions can be answered by Eric Nyuland's Halo novels.

  • 01.03.2011 10:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: Techno Greek
All your questions can be answered by Eric Nyuland's Halo novels.


Send me the books :D

  • 01.03.2011 5:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Classic Blaze

Posted by: Techno Greek
All your questions can be answered by Eric Nyuland's Halo novels.


Send me the books :D

Most Half-Price bookstores should have them for uber-cheap.

  • 01.04.2011 3:34 PM PDT
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they do not have the books here in Brazil that is why I never read them but i still know some parts of the story and their backgrounds...i wish i could have them =(

  • 01.05.2011 6:25 AM PDT

i think ODSTS kick ass cause they get good training numbers and they drop into hot zones where spartans cant be taken cause it would waste resources and spartans so they just send in the hell jumpers cause they kick ass.

  • 01.05.2011 6:54 AM PDT

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i think ODSTS kick ass cause they get good training numbers and they drop into hot zones where spartans cant be taken cause it would waste resources and spartans so they just send in the hell jumpers cause they kick ass.


Er... Operation: PROMETHEUS? Battle of Pegasi Delta?

Ringing any bells?

  • 01.05.2011 8:22 AM PDT
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he is right ODST kick ass, he is just saying about their normal missions, that is drop behind enemy lines, wich spartans dont usualy do.

  • 01.07.2011 4:08 PM PDT

Bart-"Why do I have to wear shoes? Jesus wore sandals.
Homer-"Well maybe if he had better arch support they wouldnt have caught him."

Spartans, even without their armour, are considerably stronger than an ODST, even the female spartans. They are faster on foot and have better reaction time-think back to when MC whooped on those ODSTs and he felt like they were moving in slow motion. Their bones are coated in an almost indestructible ceramic carbide. They have greater than 20/20 vision and can see in low light environments. Add in the armor and all their abilities are enhanced further. MC has fought/wrestled with elites and brutes and wasnt killed. Any one ODST would be. MC, or any other S-II could/would whoop any 5 ODSTs pretty handily, no matter how much you may want to believe otherwise.

  • 01.07.2011 4:57 PM PDT
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True soldiers dont need augmentation and enhacements or any of that stuff...and where i said an ODST could match a spartan? i know that spartans are superior...how can a augmented super soldier not be superior to special forces units (that are just humans but still badass, in this case the ODST)? What i said is that the ODST's, even without those advantages can complete almost suicidal missions still fearless with just their skill and bravure when the spartans have all those upgrades feeling almost nothing (because it appears they lack emotions)...you guys need to give them credit for, that is the reason the ODST get my vote...humans facing impossible odds that no other soldier would have the courage to do it

  • 01.07.2011 5:30 PM PDT

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Homer-"Well maybe if he had better arch support they wouldnt have caught him."

Posted by: IIPhalanXII
Spartans beat ODSTs any day in terms of their abilities.

But ODSTs will always be more human. They are the embodiment of humanity's fighting force. They endure more than any human should, and jump at the possibility of a suicide mission without 'health' insurance given by the shields of MJOLNIR armor.

Spartans > ODSTs in any fight.

But I prefer ODSTs due to their human emotion and nature they posess, and their higher risk factor in combat than Spartans. They're more prone to death, just like any other human, but still continue to fight and volunteer for death-defying missions. That is what sets them apart from the Spartans.

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yea...thats good and all but if I had to fight in a war Id rather be the cyborg and have shields. Embodying the fighting spirit of humanity doesnt mean much if your dead. Spartans ftw

  • 01.07.2011 5:41 PM PDT

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Homer-"Well maybe if he had better arch support they wouldnt have caught him."

Posted by: Classic Blaze
True soldiers dont need augmentation and enhacements or any of that stuff...and where i said an ODST could match a spartan? i know that spartans are superior...how can a augmented super soldier not be superior to special forces units (that are just humans but still badass, in this case the ODST)? What i said is that the ODST's, even without those advantages can complete almost suicidal missions still fearless with just their skill and bravure when the spartans have all those upgrades feeling almost nothing (because it appears they lack emotions)...you guys need to give them credit for, that is the reason the ODST get my vote...humans facing impossible odds that no other soldier would have the courage to do it
Thats nice. But if Im going to war Id rather have some kind of advantage to ensure I live rather than die trying to uphold some kind of fighting spirit. To me, an emotionless cyborg killing machine is alot cooler than some brave, physically regular dude. (Basically) Super heroes>normal humans any day.

  • 01.07.2011 5:46 PM PDT
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Not if they can do the same job, wich in that case the ODST win

  • 01.10.2011 6:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Classic Blaze
Not if they can do the same job, wich in that case the ODST win


No, the 7ft giants clad in shielded MJOLNIR armour who are feared by the Covenant would win. I don't see any Covenant cowering at ODSTs, the Spartans have the greatest kill count against all the Covenant in the UNSC.

  • 01.11.2011 3:05 PM PDT

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ODST do have a bad relationship with the Spartans in the halo universe. I have to go with Spartans even though they got wiped out on reach (besides John-117).

  • 01.11.2011 4:58 PM PDT

The Spartans are just as human as the ODST. They dont show it much or allow emotions to get in there way due it making the mind not think so clearly. Books show this more then the games.

  • 01.11.2011 5:32 PM PDT
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depends: If the spartans are like the master cheif the ODSTs don't stand a chance however if the spartans are like Noble team then the ODSTs would kick some spartan butts

  • 01.11.2011 6:02 PM PDT