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Subject: ODST's Vs Spartans

well there's marines then there's spartans then there's odst's.so in my opinion odst's are for the way advanced fights like the profet.the spartan's just drive to the fight, the odst's come from outer space in drop pods.im not saying that spartans are awesome because they are but there called orbital drop shock troopers for a reason. so i think that odst's would win in a fight against a spartan.

  • 02.21.2011 10:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: AlertedSnake
well there's marines then there's spartans then there's odst's.so in my opinion odst's are for the way advanced fights like the profet.the spartan's just drive to the fight, the odst's come from outer space in drop pods.im not saying that spartans are awesome because they are but there called orbital drop shock troopers for a reason. so i think that odst's would win in a fight against a spartan.


Yeah, and the a lot of ODSTs die from orbital insertion drops. 12 year old Spartan-IIIs got fired out of slipspace down onto a Covenant refinery and only 3 died.

You've clearly not played Halo 2 either. John goes down to Installation 05 in a HEV pod with a group of ODSTs, 2 of the ODSTs die on impact whilst John isn't even phased by it.

ODSTs are not augmented, neither were they put through torturous training methods from the age of 6. They're merely Marines with fancy armour and a death wish, Spartans are chosen from a specific gene pool in order to be cultivated into killers.

  • 02.23.2011 7:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: AlertedSnake
well there's marines then there's spartans then there's odst's.so in my opinion odst's are for the way advanced fights like the profet.the spartan's just drive to the fight, the odst's come from outer space in drop pods.im not saying that spartans are awesome because they are but there called orbital drop shock troopers for a reason. so i think that odst's would win in a fight against a spartan.


Yeah, and the a lot of ODSTs die from orbital insertion drops. 12 year old Spartan-IIIs got fired out of slipspace down onto a Covenant refinery and only 3 died.

You've clearly not played Halo 2 either. John goes down to Installation 05 in a HEV pod with a group of ODSTs, 2 of the ODSTs die on impact whilst John isn't even phased by it.

ODSTs are not augmented, neither were they put through torturous training methods from the age of 6. They're merely Marines with fancy armour and a death wish, Spartans are chosen from a specific gene pool in order to be cultivated into killers.

thats why they send in alot of them not just some

  • 02.23.2011 9:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: ODSTROOPER92
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: AlertedSnake
well there's marines then there's spartans then there's odst's.so in my opinion odst's are for the way advanced fights like the profet.the spartan's just drive to the fight, the odst's come from outer space in drop pods.im not saying that spartans are awesome because they are but there called orbital drop shock troopers for a reason. so i think that odst's would win in a fight against a spartan.


Yeah, and the a lot of ODSTs die from orbital insertion drops. 12 year old Spartan-IIIs got fired out of slipspace down onto a Covenant refinery and only 3 died.

You've clearly not played Halo 2 either. John goes down to Installation 05 in a HEV pod with a group of ODSTs, 2 of the ODSTs die on impact whilst John isn't even phased by it.

ODSTs are not augmented, neither were they put through torturous training methods from the age of 6. They're merely Marines with fancy armour and a death wish, Spartans are chosen from a specific gene pool in order to be cultivated into killers.

thats why they send in alot of them not just some


My point proven. Sending in more ODSTs is using up more resources for covert operations a 2 man Spartan team could handle.

SPartans = more efficient

  • 02.23.2011 12:43 PM PDT

When Marines can't do it, and there ain't no Spartan to save the day... Only the ODST's are up for the job.

Okay, we have been fighting about this stupid argument for way to long. Lets settle this. ONE. Odsts are used when there is no Spartans to go Rambo. They are actually wasting more resources by making more Spartans ajw34307. The best Spartans take years to create and train. The ODSTS are trained a lot more than Marines, and are more protected with their armor. If a Spartan had no armor, they would be vunerable to attacks, thought a bit stronger than Odsts because of their enhancements.

Spartans are the higher class, but wasting resources on more enhancements, more training, more areas fro Spartans to be trained, is foolish and illogical. ODSTS can get the job done, and are cheaper. Military funds are important in a war.

So here is my verdict on this stupid argument.

+Spartans: Pros:
Have Stronger armor than ODSTS, are Stronger, faster, and more intelligent
Cons: Takes years to make good Spartans, and wastes more resources to make them. Money is wasted on them as well.

ODSTS:
Pros: Have stronger armor than Marines, are trained more for dropping out of space, are cheaper than Spartans, and don't waste as much resources.

Cons:But they are limited since they are not as strong and not as fast.

They are pretty equal in the way I put it.


[Edited on 02.25.2011 9:05 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 9:05 PM PDT

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Spartans used up a lot of resources, but the payoff was worth it.

Spartan pros:
- Genetically enhanced super-soldiers

- Able to withstand the worst kinds of injuries (for example, Dante had his entire chest blown out by Needler shards, but he was still able to destroy the Covenant bunker on Onyx)

- Trained to be the deadliest and most efficient killers (Linda sniped out about 6 Banshee pilots holding her Sniper Rifle in 1 hand whilst hanging upside down)

- Saved humanity from extinction on many occasions (battle of K7-49, battle of Pegasi Delta etc)

- Best education, they were trained mentally as well as physically so they understand advanced science physics, reading, writing and military tactics.

- Better armour, MJOLNIR and SPI are superior to the ODST battle suit in every way.

- Neural interface allows Spartans to house AIs in their armour, this betters them in just about everything they do.

- Spartans chosen from a specific gene pool, they were the ones with superior genes.

- Capable of "Spartan Time", capable of seeing things happen in slow motion because their reflex have increased by 300%.

- Near unbreakable bones.

Cons:
- Amount of budget and resources used.

- Only a few hundred (343 Spartans alive at the end of the war).

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ODST pros:
- Greater in number.

- Less use of resources and budget.

Cons:
- Nowhere near as strong as Spartans (John killed 3 ODSTs in the gym when he was attacked by them, he was about 12).

- Weaker armour, design has not changed for 50 years.

- Too many die during orbital insertion drops.

- Less training time, also nowhere near as demanding as Spartan training (which was boarderline torture).

- Designed only to be units for small-scale covert and counter-terrorism operations, not a galactic war.

  • 02.26.2011 4:03 AM PDT

When Marines can't do it, and there ain't no Spartan to save the day... Only the ODST's are up for the job.

You need to think in the response of O.N.I. They did give up on the project when all SPARTAN II's were dead. They did not have the time, the resources, and the Budget for more Spartans.

There may be a great pay off, but when one tactic in war fails, another must be used.

  • 02.26.2011 7:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: RookieRules
You need to think in the response of O.N.I. They did give up on the project when all SPARTAN II's were dead. They did not have the time, the resources, and the Budget for more Spartans.

There may be a great pay off, but when one tactic in war fails, another must be used.


Not every S-II is dead. Blue Team, Black Team, Red Team and Grey Team are still very much alive, as are S-III Gamma Company.

Were it not for Spartans, the UNSC would have lost the war in the 2530s. Though Spartan numbers began to thin as they were recalled for more and more ops, they did a hell of a lot more for humanity than the ODSTs did.

  • 02.26.2011 10:43 AM PDT

When Marines can't do it, and there ain't no Spartan to save the day... Only the ODST's are up for the job.

Note, I should have said Spartans that are M.I.A.

Some of those teams are unknown to O.N.I.

Some.

  • 02.26.2011 6:02 PM PDT

First in, last out...

in my opinion spartans are the sword of oni and oni is the hand...i think that spartans are just a tool to make war a much more worse and worse than it will ever be and odst are just like the molecules of the hand...sure they were pretty good in fighting but spartans are much more smart and strong

[Edited on 02.26.2011 9:40 PM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 9:39 PM PDT

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Spartans will murder an ODST

  • 02.26.2011 9:49 PM PDT

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Depends How many ODST's vs How many Spartans

  • 02.26.2011 10:49 PM PDT

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Think about it bungie even said in halo legends commentary that ODSTs can't do what spartans did also cheif acsedently killed 3 of them right after major sergery wthout armor and right after working out.

  • 02.26.2011 11:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: VautlingFrog
Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST. The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity.


Do Marines start their training at the age of 6?? No.
Do Spartans start their training at the age of 6?? Yes.

Probably the only living marine out theyre that has more combat experience then a Spartan is Johnson, but i don't see a giant army of Johnsons hopping arround xD


i think an army of Johnsons would be alot scarier than an army of spartans coming at you.

  • 02.27.2011 12:35 AM PDT

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Spartans, on Halo Wars they're awesome.

  • 02.27.2011 8:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: BlaKroZ13
Posted by: ZundayXx
Posted by: VautlingFrog
Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST. The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity.


Do Marines start their training at the age of 6?? No.
Do Spartans start their training at the age of 6?? Yes.

Probably the only living marine out theyre that has more combat experience then a Spartan is Johnson, but i don't see a giant army of Johnsons hopping arround xD


i think an army of Johnsons would be alot scarier than an army of spartans coming at you.


Johnson is a Spartan, he was part of the ORION Project.

  • 02.28.2011 8:39 AM PDT

The SPARTANs would would win against the ODSTs big time. They're just to many advantages and reasons to list.

  • 03.03.2011 7:44 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: BlaKroZ13
Posted by: ZundayXx
Posted by: VautlingFrog
Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST. The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity.

Johnson was a SPARTAN 1.1, not a fully fledged SPARTAN. I would explain but I don't have the time. Just look it up on Halopedia.com, it's a pretty accurate site.
Do Marines start their training at the age of 6?? No.
Do Spartans start their training at the age of 6?? Yes.

Probably the only living marine out theyre that has more combat experience then a Spartan is Johnson, but i don't see a giant army of Johnsons hopping arround xD


i think an army of Johnsons would be alot scarier than an army of spartans coming at you.


Johnson is a Spartan, he was part of the ORION Project.

Johnson was a SPARTAN 1.1, a branch of the ORION Project, but he was not a fully fledged SPARTAN.

[Edited on 03.03.2011 7:47 AM PST]

  • 03.03.2011 7:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Badseed_666
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: BlaKroZ13
Posted by: ZundayXx
Posted by: VautlingFrog
Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST. The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity.

Johnson was a SPARTAN 1.1, not a fully fledged SPARTAN. I would explain but I don't have the time. Just look it up on Halopedia.com, it's a pretty accurate site.
Do Marines start their training at the age of 6?? No.
Do Spartans start their training at the age of 6?? Yes.

Probably the only living marine out theyre that has more combat experience then a Spartan is Johnson, but i don't see a giant army of Johnsons hopping arround xD


i think an army of Johnsons would be alot scarier than an army of spartans coming at you.


Johnson is a Spartan, he was part of the ORION Project.

Johnson was a SPARTAN 1.1, a branch of the ORION Project, but he was not a fully fledged SPARTAN.


lolno

Spartan-1.1s were the offspring of Spartan-Is, I might also add that they are not set in stone canon either.

Go read Contact Harvest, Halo Graphic Novel and pay attention to Joseph Staten (the guy who invented the character of Johnson), he is a Spartan-I.

  • 03.03.2011 9:20 AM PDT

When Marines can't do it, and there ain't no Spartan to save the day... Only the ODST's are up for the job.

Notee that the Spartan project would never be used again in the Covenant war. Once the war ended, people would start attacking O.N.I. for making Spartans out of children. I haven't read the books but I don't think that if people learned about thag they would let its slide.

But Spartans are better at survivial thanks to their armor, and heightened senses. But Spartans are expensive, and the S-2's were dieing out or really becoming M.I.A. S-3's had worked only for a while before dieing too.

Yes I agree that Spartans are the best in warfare, but ODST's were always the best of the Marines. They aren't marines in fancy armor. They are the best soldiers you could get in the war. They were cheaper than Spartans, and a suicide wish, and they were the best they could get.

ODST's are the best soldiers, Spartans are weapons. But in a battle of Strength, Spartans would win. In a battle of skill both are equal.

But I like ODST's more cause their human, and they fight to their last breath to win.

  • 03.10.2011 5:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: RookieRules
In a battle of skill both are equal.


Last I checked, no ODST could run at 66MPH or snipe 6 Banshee pilots one-handed whilst hanging upside down.

  • 03.10.2011 8:51 AM PDT

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  • 03.13.2011 10:37 AM PDT

When Marines can't do it, and there ain't no Spartan to save the day... Only the ODST's are up for the job.

Last I checked, no ODST could run at 66MPH or snipe 6 Banshee pilots one-handed whilst hanging upside down.
Skill.... NOT ENHANCMENTS!
Without those enhancements they would be on equal ground.
But I'm fighting a losing battle here. At least 9 out of ten people say Spartans are better. I'm not going to waste my breath over two nonexistent soldiers.

So lets just say the two groups are bad-ass in their own ways. Truce?

  • 03.13.2011 7:17 PM PDT

Posted by: ACAce23
And ODST's are just plain awesome. Spartans can be better all they want, but that doesn't stop ODST's from being more awesome.


hahahaha

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odsts would win with there smgs spartins cant beat spartins even though master cheif killes two and all most killed another odsts would still win

  • 03.14.2011 5:44 PM PDT