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Subject: ODST's Vs Spartans
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Dude OP, seriously? SERIOUSLY? You really wanna do this? A Spartan, any Spartan, go ahead. Pick one that successfully graduated the Spatan II program and then pick any ODST that you know of. Hell, pick three if youd like. The ODST's can be in full armour and the Spartan can be in civillian clothes for all I care. The Spartan will kick the living f.uck out of those ODSTs. The only way they might win is with guns. . . .and they'd have to catch the Spatan off gaurd to even accomplish that.

Spartans>ODSTs

Spartans were already genetically better from the start. The kids chosen for the Spartan II program were basically "genetically perfect". They started at age 6 (5 for some I believe) and went through training for god knows how many years. Then they went through the agumentations. This enhanced the Spartans even more. They are faster and stronger than every ODST out there and also, smarter than most, if not all of them. Able to think tactically under pressure and f.uck s.hit up.

If you can't understand after this that Spartans could massacre any ODST or even a group of them, you should just go beat yourself over the head with your power box.

Either you are retarded or you are just trolling like an idiot.

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Spartans would destroy ODSTs. It is a given, it was already proven.

  • 10.10.2009 3:05 PM PDT

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The master chief versus a single ODST in battle- MC would win
The master chief versus a group of ODSTs- Heavy losses for the ODSTs but the chief would be critically wounded.
The master chief versus a single ODST in Pictionary- The ODST would win as It had some understanding of human culture instead of being locked up in a box for years
The master chief versus a single ODST at maths- Without cortana, the chief would win because of his quick reaction time not becasue of intellegence.

Most of these statments arn't valdified as nobody has seen a ODST talk about pictionary or play with the master chief.

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VaultingFrog, VaultingFrog, VaultingFrog. Do you ever stop arguing? First at HWF, now here.

Anywho: Spartans are marginally better than ODSTs without armour. Their organs may be soft, but not as soft as the ODSTs, and they have a spectacular reaction time, a phenomonal understanding of all types of tactics and warfare, and Spartans have extremely good eyesight and aim.

Also, a team of Spartans could wtfpwn any number of ODSTs. Spartans teamwork is of unknown qualities, being considered near-telepathic.

Spartans were not genetically enhanced, they were chosen for genetics.

Spartans are absolute geniuses, MC was able to quickly calculate the force of gravity in a chamber simply from dropping a pin, including doing the square root in his head (FoR).

Spartans were given high-priority suicide missions. They were by no means escorts. Every single Spartan mission would have been considered impossible for ODSTs, and even for Spartans they were surprised when they got everyone out. Despite all this, through all the years in war, they only lost 3 Spartans (FoR cited, other sources often disagree).

The honest truth: ODSTs are awesome, Spartans are simply more awesomer.

  • 10.10.2009 6:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: VautlingFrog
If you didnt notice, with the exception of Grey Team the entire Spartan-II unit worked in teams of 5 or more on their operations, with the exception of the events on the orbital station above Reach, the events of Halo CE (no other Spartans there...) and of Halo 2-3. Even though there were 3 other Spartan-IIs who were on Earth during the events of Halo 2.

First off Vautling, I love how you completely ignored my statements towards you in your last big post that completely ruined your argument, but whatever.

True, you are right, Spartan's drop in Squads, however, what they fight is slaughter for an ODST squad. Remember the opening of Fall of Reach, that how chapter with John's squad taking on MILLIONS / BILLIONS of Grunts and defeating ALL of them. An ODST squad cannot do that with what John's squad had, even if they had the suits, wanna know why?

When a Marine field tested a suit, it mutilated his body because the suit made his reflexes so quick that it broke his arm (something along these lines, I can't really remember but it's in the book, check it for yourself), the reason why Spartan's can wear them is because there bodies are strong enough to handle the suit (yet again, something along these lines). So, if a Marine / ODST would break his arm from just moving it inside the suit, and a Spartan can do complex backflips and stuff inside of it, that kinda proves you wrong with the whole "Sprtnz r unli strrrng cuz ov dah sooots!" B.S.

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This guy is obviously an idiot and I think he gave up already. We've proved him wrong so many times already.

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Posted by: jorj17
VaultingFrog, VaultingFrog, VaultingFrog. Do you ever stop arguing? First at HWF, now here.


What do you mean at the HWF? I dont have an account there... Never touched the site in fact.

I rented Halo Wars, but thats as close as I ever came to being related to that site.

Posted by: jorj17
Anywho: Spartans are marginally better than ODSTs without armour. Their organs may be soft, but not as soft as the ODSTs, and they have a spectacular reaction time, a phenomonal understanding of all types of tactics and warfare, and Spartans have extremely good eyesight and aim.


What exactly makes their organs "harder" than a regular humans? Nothing was done to them augmentation wise. They were left completely alone (with the exception of the eyes).

Please provide evidence to this.

Posted by: jorj17
Also, a team of Spartans could wtfpwn any number of ODSTs. Spartans teamwork is of unknown qualities, being considered near-telepathic.


ODSTs work just as well together, if you didnt notice in Halo 3: ODST Romeo didnt need a que from Buck to snipe the engineer. And they always knew what the plan was going into a fight. Their team work is just fine if you ask me.

Posted by: jorj17
Spartans were not genetically enhanced, they were chosen for genetics.


Thank you. Finally another person who gets it.

Also their genes are no more pure than mine. All humans are 99.99% geneticly identical. Which is why bioweapons are so effective against humans (and why they are banned).

Consider the movie 28 Weeks Later. In that film there is a woman who went through the normal stages of infection from one of the "zombies". She came in contact with the body fluids and all that wonderful garbage. Yet she came out clean. Her body had a natural immunity to that virus. That was because of a special gene sequence in her system. One that could be found in several individuals once identified. Her son was a carrier of that spesific gene sequence.

Does that help clear up that issue?

Posted by: jorj17
Spartans are absolute geniuses, MC was able to quickly calculate the force of gravity in a chamber simply from dropping a pin, including doing the square root in his head (FoR).


I wont dispute that. They are incredably intelligent. Though I suspect it does have something to do with the nural implant they got during the augmentation process...

Posted by: jorj17
Spartans were given high-priority suicide missions. They were by no means escorts. Every single Spartan mission would have been considered impossible for ODSTs, and even for Spartans they were surprised when they got everyone out. Despite all this, through all the years in war, they only lost 3 Spartans (FoR cited, other sources often disagree).


No soldier is sent on a suicide mission. Not even the Spartan-IIIs. There was always a possability of evacuation for them. They do go on high risk missions however, that can not be questioned.

And yes they frequently did escort civilians out of colony cities as it was a part of their SOPs. First priority is to get any and all civilians out of harms way. Thats generally how it is with any military unit during a combat action.

And no I do not believe for a second that the missions they were sent on were impossable for ODSTs to complete. I firmly believe that they are more than capable of performing every mission assigned to the Spartan-II unit. Possably with a higher casualty rate but they would be capable of doing it none the less.

And considering the amount of contradiction between the games and the books dealing with the amount of Spartan-II losses I just wont deal with them any more. It is constantly being rewriten and I just dont want to keep track of it any more.

Posted by: jorj17
The honest truth: ODSTs are awesome, Spartans are simply more awesomer.


Nice opinion, I have my own.

And just to make this clear, I am not arguing that the Spartans are failures or that they suck. I am arguing that an ODST is just as capable with less equipment and no augmentations.

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Well John took on more then a thousand grunts... can an ODST do that?

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
First off Vautling, I love how you completely ignored my statements towards you in your last big post that completely ruined your argument, but whatever.


Apparently I did since I didnt reconize anything in your post that "completely ruined my arguement".

I have given reasoned responces to what has been thrown at me. Dont like it than tough.

Oh and before you get your panties to wedged between your ass cheeks, my post was made during your post. After that I decided to get some sleep. Forgive me for not responding in 3 seconds to you.

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
True, you are right, Spartan's drop in Squads, however, what they fight is slaughter for an ODST squad. Remember the opening of Fall of Reach, that how chapter with John's squad taking on MILLIONS / BILLIONS of Grunts and defeating ALL of them. An ODST squad cannot do that with what John's squad had, even if they had the suits, wanna know why?


Wrong.

Page 2, Fall of Reach:

"One other problem: there were easily a thousand of them."

Clearly not the millions/billions you decided to put into all caps.

Secondly, they engaged the Grunts for all of a few seconds. More than likely not killing more than 20 (not including the rockets fired by Kelly, those probably took out probably 70 at most). They engaged the Grunts for all of 15 seconds then they fell back behind a minefield.

The mines did the majority of the work killing the Grunts, not the Spartans. What ever Grunts survived the minefield were easy pickings for any soldier.

Not exactly what you were expecting were you.

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
When a Marine field tested a suit, it mutilated his body because the suit made his reflexes so quick that it broke his arm (something along these lines, I can't really remember but it's in the book, check it for yourself), the reason why Spartan's can wear them is because there bodies are strong enough to handle the suit (yet again, something along these lines). So, if a Marine / ODST would break his arm from just moving it inside the suit, and a Spartan can do complex backflips and stuff inside of it, that kinda proves you wrong with the whole "Sprtnz r unli strrrng cuz ov dah sooots!" B.S.


When in *insert your religious figure here*'s green Earth did you ever come up with the idea that I wanted the ODSTs or Marines to be in MJOLNIR armor? I have never stated any such idea.

The armor that the Spartans wear does give them a clear advantage, however I still do not find them special. They took on tasks that were well with in the relm of capability of an ODST squad.

The only reason why they were used instead of the ODSTs was because of that armor. It gave them a higher survival probability. More survivors means a larger force at the end of combat. Simple tactics.

Posted by: Onyx_91
This guy is obviously an idiot and I think he gave up already. We've proved him wrong so many times already.


Watch who you are calling an idiot. I do not deserve that title. If you dont like what I have to say then stuff a stick up your ass and spin on it. I really dont give a damn kid.

And no you havent proved anything to me. Other than you people are so enamored with the Spartan "legends" that you cant see anything else worth while in the whole of the Halo universe.

Posted by: THE SQUAK MAN
Well John took on more then a thousand grunts... can an ODST do that?


1: Spartan-117 wasnt alone. He had 4 other Spartans on his team.

2: Yet again I have to say it. They in total didnt personally kill more than 200 Grunts. The minefield killed the overwhelming majority of them.

3: Their primary objective wasnt even to kill all of them, just to provide a distraction for Red Team to slip in and plant a HAVOK tactical nuke.

4: An ODST squad is more than capable of setting up such an ambush. Give me a reason why they couldnt.



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You can really tell most of the people posting here have no idea on Halo's back story. Go read the books people, John 117 single handley took on a squad of odsts in the gym of a naval ship and beat them to pulp.

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And I think that when they referenced the "millions/billions" they were referring to the little football nuke that they planted inside the Covenant ship that incinerated the ship and everything that was in the valley. And that is where the millions of Covenant were. I am not arguing for either side, I was just pointing out the reference. In all fairness, although the Spartans did plant the nuke, they did not personally kill the grunts. If they held off against 13 waves of Covenant of increasing difficulty, then you have claim to that :D

  • 10.11.2009 4:29 AM PDT

I am a Halo 3 Failure.

Posted by: VautlingFrog
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
When a Marine field tested a suit, it mutilated his body because the suit made his reflexes so quick that it broke his arm (something along these lines, I can't really remember but it's in the book, check it for yourself), the reason why Spartan's can wear them is because there bodies are strong enough to handle the suit (yet again, something along these lines). So, if a Marine / ODST would break his arm from just moving it inside the suit, and a Spartan can do complex backflips and stuff inside of it, that kinda proves you wrong with the whole "Sprtnz r unli strrrng cuz ov dah sooots!" B.S.


When in *insert your religious figure here*'s green Earth did you ever come up with the idea that I wanted the ODSTs or Marines to be in MJOLNIR armor? I have never stated any such idea.

The armor that the Spartans wear does give them a clear advantage, however I still do not find them special. They took on tasks that were well with in the relm of capability of an ODST squad.

The only reason why they were used instead of the ODSTs was because of that armor. It gave them a higher survival probability. More survivors means a larger force at the end of combat. Simple tactics.

You are correct about the Grunts, I thought it was Millions or Billions, which would be far more impressive even with the land mines.

However, my point about ODST's not being able to wear the armor wasn't based on what you said, it was just a statement that you missed. The statement being, "If ODST's can't even move in the suit (because of strength problems), and Spartan's can do insane flips and stuff (because of their strength), doesn't that obviously show that Spartan's are stronger outside of the suit?"

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And I think that when they referenced the "millions/billions" they were referring to the little football nuke that they planted inside the Covenant ship that incinerated the ship and everything that was in the valley. And that is where the millions of Covenant were. I am not arguing for either side, I was just pointing out the reference. In all fairness, although the Spartans did plant the nuke, they did not personally kill the grunts. If they held off against 13 waves of Covenant of increasing difficulty, then you have claim to that :D


1: That was the book First Strike.

2: That action did not involve Spartan-117. Instead it involved Spartan-104 (Fred, who I think is the best Spartan-II), Spartan-087 (Kelly) and Spartan-029 (Joshua).

3: It was more of 30,000 Covenant troops, not the millions/billions previously stated.

4: The battle you are thinking of took place on Reach not Jericho VII.

5: Those three previously mentioned Spartans flew into combat on 3 stolen Banshees. They werent marked as targets initially as the Covenant assumed they were friendlies. Thus they didnt have to really fight their way there.

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
You are correct about the Grunts, I thought it was Millions or Billions, which would be far more impressive even with the land mines.


Yes it would have been more impressive however they would have been killed. It would have had to been one huge arse minefield to take out that many Grunts...even then I doubt that they would get nearly enough of them.

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
However, my point about ODST's not being able to wear the armor wasn't based on what you said, it was just a statement that you missed. The statement being, "If ODST's can't even move in the suit (because of strength problems), and Spartan's can do insane flips and stuff (because of their strength), doesn't that obviously show that Spartan's are stronger outside of the suit?"


Not really. Physicly they are not much more impressive than todays body builders or even myself.

I can nearly lift 750 pounds by my self, no assistance needed. And I am not a body builder, I just work out every once and a while.

People phyiscly are capable of lifting that much weight (IE 3 times their bodyweight or more). I weigh around 175 pounds. About average. Yet I can lift over 4 times my own body weight.

Unless they are benchpressing 3 times their bodyweight (I doubt it) then they just arent that impressive to me.

People do standing backflips all the time. I know several people who can do them. I know people who have a 4 foot vertical jump.

With out that armor you would see them doing basicly the exact same thing as regular humans. The only reason why their jumps and "flips" are on a larger scale in the armor is because of the mechanical assistance. With out that they wouldnt even get the armor off the ground.

And the only reason why they are able to use the MJOLNIR armor is the augments to their muscles and bones. It increased their durability significantly so that it could withstand those extreme forces.

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  • 10.11.2009 4:38 AM PDT

vaultingfrog, here is what i think about your past comments.

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Posted by: VautlingFrog
Posted by: jorj17
VaultingFrog, VaultingFrog, VaultingFrog. Do you ever stop arguing? First at HWF, now here.


What do you mean at the HWF? I dont have an account there... Never touched the site in fact.

I rented Halo Wars, but thats as close as I ever came to being related to that site.
Bull-blam!-.

Posted by: jorj17
Anywho: Spartans are marginally better than ODSTs without armour. Their organs may be soft, but not as soft as the ODSTs, and they have a spectacular reaction time, a phenomonal understanding of all types of tactics and warfare, and Spartans have extremely good eyesight and aim.


What exactly makes their organs "harder" than a regular humans? Nothing was done to them augmentation wise. They were left completely alone (with the exception of the eyes).

Please provide evidence to this.
You're right, of course, but the Spartans Muscles are very strong, making it much harder to hit a vital organ.

Posted by: jorj17
Also, a team of Spartans could wtfpwn any number of ODSTs. Spartans teamwork is of unknown qualities, being considered near-telepathic.


ODSTs work just as well together, if you didnt notice in Halo 3: ODST Romeo didnt need a que from Buck to snipe the engineer. And they always knew what the plan was going into a fight. Their team work is just fine if you ask me.
Congratulations, you can shoot somebody who it attacking your seargeant. Woopti--blam!--do. Yes, ODSTs work well together, but Spartans know exactly where and what every other Spartan on their team is doing, and can coordinate perfectly with them.

Posted by: jorj17
Spartans were not genetically enhanced, they were chosen for genetics.


Thank you. Finally another person who gets it.

Also their genes are no more pure than mine. All humans are 99.99% geneticly identical. Which is why bioweapons are so effective against humans (and why they are banned).

Consider the movie 28 Weeks Later. In that film there is a woman who went through the normal stages of infection from one of the "zombies". She came in contact with the body fluids and all that wonderful garbage. Yet she came out clean. Her body had a natural immunity to that virus. That was because of a special gene sequence in her system. One that could be found in several individuals once identified. Her son was a carrier of that spesific gene sequence.

Does that help clear up that issue?
No, you actually made it more complicated.

Basically, they were chosen for having a certain gene structure, that would make them stronger and smarter, as well as more likely to survive the drugs (right?)

Posted by: jorj17
Spartans are absolute geniuses, MC was able to quickly calculate the force of gravity in a chamber simply from dropping a pin, including doing the square root in his head (FoR).


I wont dispute that. They are incredably intelligent. Though I suspect it does have something to do with the nural implant they got during the augmentation process...
Nonetheless, that still makes Spartans smarter. Even before those augmentations, they spent much more time knowing tactics and mathmatics and other hard sciences.

Posted by: jorj17
Spartans were given high-priority suicide missions. They were by no means escorts. Every single Spartan mission would have been considered impossible for ODSTs, and even for Spartans they were surprised when they got everyone out. Despite all this, through all the years in war, they only lost 3 Spartans (FoR cited, other sources often disagree).


No soldier is sent on a suicide mission. Not even the Spartan-IIIs. There was always a possability of evacuation for them. They do go on high risk missions however, that can not be questioned.

Yes, it wasn't total suicide, as proven when the Spartans got out. But the possibility of extraction was not considered likely, and the chance of losing all of their units was considered high.

And yes they frequently did escort civilians out of colony cities as it was a part of their SOPs. First priority is to get any and all civilians out of harms way. Thats generally how it is with any military unit during a combat action.
Of course, but this does not mean that Spartans were sent on Civilian escort missions, that was a standing order for most of the Military.

And no I do not believe for a second that the missions they were sent on were impossable for ODSTs to complete. I firmly believe that they are more than capable of performing every mission assigned to the Spartan-II unit. Possably with a higher casualty rate but they would be capable of doing it none the less.
This was stated in one of the books that Spartans were sent on missions that lower groups of the military (including ODSTs) couldn't be trusted with.

And considering the amount of contradiction between the games and the books dealing with the amount of Spartan-II losses I just wont deal with them any more. It is constantly being rewriten and I just dont want to keep track of it any more.A-men.

Posted by: jorj17
The honest truth: ODSTs are awesome, Spartans are simply more awesomer.


Nice opinion, I have my own.

And just to make this clear, I am not arguing that the Spartans are failures or that they suck. I am arguing that an ODST is just as capable with less equipment and no augmentations.
Which is...misinformed, to say the least. ODSTs are awesome, and very capable, but Spartans are near Mythic in their unbelievable ability to succeed in every task with little to no casualties.

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Posted by: Rorchach
vaultingfrog, here is what i think about your past comments.



Congratulations sir, you have made a post that is about as intelligent as a 3 year olds.

Seriously, if you cant handle an opinion such as mine then you should just leave.

Say what you want about the opinion however personal insults such as the one you decided to throw at me are never warrented.

Grow up and learn how to actually contribute to a thread.

Posted by: jorj17
Bull-blam!-.


Exactly what part of that is "bull-blam!-"? I do not have an account there.

If somebody has the same account name as I do over there then thats their problem. I havent touched the site personally.

If you got an issue with that person bring it up with them. And if you got an issue with me send me a message. I am always more than happy to get some critisism.

Personally I dont give a damn if there is a person who is called VaultingFrog on your forums. And if they are arguing in the same direction as myself all the better. Apparently it pisses you off. Kind of seems like a good thing since you still have not come up with a viable reason to change my mind about the ODSTs.

Posted by: jorj17
Which is...misinformed, to say the least. ODSTs are awesome, and very capable, but Spartans are near Mythic in their unbelievable ability to succeed in every task with little to no casualties.


No misinformation. It is based off of cold hard data and simple observation. Its not really that difficult to see once you get around the whole "legend" garbage that surrounds the Spartans.

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Posted byVaultingFrogPosted by: jorj17
Bull-blam!-.[/quote]

Exactly what part of that is "bull-blam!-"? I do not have an account there.

If somebody has the same account name as I do over there then thats their problem. I havent touched the site personally.

If you got an issue with that person bring it up with them. And if you got an issue with me send me a message. I am always more than happy to get some critisism.

Personally I dont give a damn if there is a person who is called VaultingFrog on your forums. And if they are arguing in the same direction as myself all the better. Apparently it pisses you off. Kind of seems like a good thing since you still have not come up with a viable reason to change my mind about the ODSTs.

Edited my last post (look up), try responding to it again. Before, most of my comments got stuck in quotes, my bad.

And do i really appear mad? Gotta work on my application of voice...no i am quite enjoying this debate.

And he wasn't arguing the same way as you, he was arguing in THE EXACT SAME STYLE. I butt heads with you several times (username: TNine), not to mention that if you weren't from HWF, you probably wouldn't know what HWF was.


Posted by: jorj17
Which is...misinformed, to say the least. ODSTs are awesome, and very capable, but Spartans are near Mythic in their unbelievable ability to succeed in every task with little to no casualties.


No misinformation. It is based off of cold hard data and simple observation. Its not really that difficult to see once you get around the whole "legend" garbage that surrounds the Spartans.
There are many reasons that Spartans are considered legends. They are know to do the impossible, and don't forget, Spartans never die.
Edit: -blam!-, why did this happen again? My comments are in bold, they won't get out of quotes for no -blam!- reason.

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Posted by: AJ Spyder
But you gotta consider the odds: Spartans get amped up with their spartan stuff, their genetically enhanched reflexes and combat abilities, and general sense of warfare.

ODST's may not win a fight v.s. Spartans, but would put up a fight. They kick ass old-school: No enhancments, no cyborg technology, no yapping blue lady screaming in their heads...*


*OK, Spartans could do without that one, especially poor master c., I'd like to shake hands with his therapist. I'd also like to slap Buck's eye doctor.


I lol'd so hard at: They kick ass old-school: No enhancments, no cyborg technology, no yapping blue lady screaming in their heads...*

Yapping blue lady... just... awesome!

  • 10.12.2009 6:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: VautlingFrog
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I have a feeling that you do not know what you are on about, good sir. Have you read the books at all?


Let me stop you right there. I have already had to purchase 3 copies of each book because I have read them so often. I have forgotten more about those books than you probably remember. And I have forotten damn little.

Posted by: RobInDantePose

Their training started a 6, they were pushed everyday to become the best they could be. They learnt how to survive on their own, as part of a squad, how to fight, how to shoot, how to do everything over the course of EIGHT YEARS.


Notice, regular Marines training them. So special weapons training. Nothing out of the ordinary for regular Marine training. In fact they used the exact same obstical courses and running routes as the rest of the Marines who were/are being trained at that particular base.


But the fact that they have 6 year old kids running it makes no difference to you huh?

The only difference is the length of training. With in a year each of those children were combat ready, just like any Marine. However due to the development of the augmentations (which didnt recieve their final testing before aplication in the first quarter of 2525) and the ongoing designing and development of the MJOLNIR armor system (wasnt even complete when they first got it) they were forced to extend their training time.

This gave them alot of practice but no real experience. The one good thing that did come out of it was that they forged very close bonds with each other unlike other military units who have men rotated in and out all the time.

Posted by: RobInDantePose

Once they received their augmentations, they took a massive step up. Their teamwork evolved to the point where they developed an almost "telepathic" understanding of each other. I'm going to say, read the Fall of Reach. I can't be bothered to quote out of the book, I can't be bothered to explain why Spartan's are better than ODST's and better trained in EVERY SINGLE WAY. Fall of Reach will explain it in a better way than I could.


They were in "training" (more like reconditioning) for 5 months. That is due to them fully adjusting to their new physical performances. And most of it was spent in space on the Atlas. And I am quite certain they spent a large amount of that time in the cryochambers.


How do you recover from augmentations in a cryo-tube?

Please reread that book and you will find what I have said to be accurate.

There are only two other major differences in their training in comparison to a Marines.

1: They went through formal schooling during training. Marines have already gone through that before they even enter the service. This can also account for a lengthy training time. Dont want an uneducated soldier now do we.

2: They are given training to pilot any UNSC vessel up to a Pelican. However this still can be debated as it may have been done during their active war time instead of during boot camp. of the two I find that the latter idea is the more likely.

Posted by: RobInDantePose

And it would stop you making a fool of yourself spouting nonsense :)


Just because I am not enamored by the "legends" of the Spartans doesnt mean I "spout nonsense".

I do find them to be great soldiers, in their armor and out side of it. However outside of it they are basicly no better than an ODST in terms of skill and in alot of cases physical ability.

Please keep your snide comments to yourself next time as they do you little credit.

And as for the genetic manipulation, the answer is still a no. They were not geneticly manipulated in any way shape or form.

There were a few mutations as well as accidents that occured during the augmentation process that killed many of them and left several others deformed. And yet again those "deformities" were documented side effects of the augmentations. They were not unexpected.


When was genetic manipulation ever brought up? I believe it was discussed that SPARTANs received genetic enhancements. I can't find my copy of the book at the moment, but some of the enhancements were increased speed, increased reaction time, increased sight/pseudo night-vision, and some other stuff that's escaping me right now.

The fact of the matter is in order to do genetic manipulation you have to go down on to a scale equivilent of a DNA strand and physicly move parts of the strand around to create an all together different compound. As this does not occur in the Spartan-II augmentation process it is not genetic manipulation.

In the Spartan-III process there is a slight manipulation, however the term "mutation" is more appropate. It doesnt actually alter the DNA or genetic coding of the subject however it does enhance particular areas of the brain that allow more basic or "animalistic" instincts to be reached easier during times of stress.

Again no genetic manipulation.


Again no discussion about manipulation here.

Oh and before I forget, their kill record doesnt exceed all of the ODST divisions. I will quote:

First Strike, page 104 paragraph 4:

""Those 'freaks,'" Hood said over his protest, "have more confirmed kills than any three divisions of ODSTs and have garnered every major citation the UNSC awards."

(Thats from memory)


Memory my -blam-!

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