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Posted by: VautlingFrog
Posted by: jorj17
VaultingFrog, VaultingFrog, VaultingFrog. Do you ever stop arguing? First at HWF, now here.
What do you mean at the HWF? I dont have an account there... Never touched the site in fact.
I rented Halo Wars, but thats as close as I ever came to being related to that site.Bull-blam!-.
Posted by: jorj17
Anywho: Spartans are marginally better than ODSTs without armour. Their organs may be soft, but not as soft as the ODSTs, and they have a spectacular reaction time, a phenomonal understanding of all types of tactics and warfare, and Spartans have extremely good eyesight and aim.
What exactly makes their organs "harder" than a regular humans? Nothing was done to them augmentation wise. They were left completely alone (with the exception of the eyes).
Please provide evidence to this.You're right, of course, but the Spartans Muscles are very strong, making it much harder to hit a vital organ.
Posted by: jorj17
Also, a team of Spartans could wtfpwn any number of ODSTs. Spartans teamwork is of unknown qualities, being considered near-telepathic.
ODSTs work just as well together, if you didnt notice in Halo 3: ODST Romeo didnt need a que from Buck to snipe the engineer. And they always knew what the plan was going into a fight. Their team work is just fine if you ask me.Congratulations, you can shoot somebody who it attacking your seargeant. Woopti--blam!--do. Yes, ODSTs work well together, but Spartans know exactly where and what every other Spartan on their team is doing, and can coordinate perfectly with them.
Posted by: jorj17
Spartans were not genetically enhanced, they were chosen for genetics.
Thank you. Finally another person who gets it.
Also their genes are no more pure than mine. All humans are 99.99% geneticly identical. Which is why bioweapons are so effective against humans (and why they are banned).
Consider the movie 28 Weeks Later. In that film there is a woman who went through the normal stages of infection from one of the "zombies". She came in contact with the body fluids and all that wonderful garbage. Yet she came out clean. Her body had a natural immunity to that virus. That was because of a special gene sequence in her system. One that could be found in several individuals once identified. Her son was a carrier of that spesific gene sequence.
Does that help clear up that issue?
No, you actually made it more complicated.
Basically, they were chosen for having a certain gene structure, that would make them stronger and smarter, as well as more likely to survive the drugs (right?)
Posted by: jorj17
Spartans are absolute geniuses, MC was able to quickly calculate the force of gravity in a chamber simply from dropping a pin, including doing the square root in his head (FoR).
I wont dispute that. They are incredably intelligent. Though I suspect it does have something to do with the nural implant they got during the augmentation process...Nonetheless, that still makes Spartans smarter. Even before those augmentations, they spent much more time knowing tactics and mathmatics and other hard sciences.
Posted by: jorj17
Spartans were given high-priority suicide missions. They were by no means escorts. Every single Spartan mission would have been considered impossible for ODSTs, and even for Spartans they were surprised when they got everyone out. Despite all this, through all the years in war, they only lost 3 Spartans (FoR cited, other sources often disagree).
No soldier is sent on a suicide mission. Not even the Spartan-IIIs. There was always a possability of evacuation for them. They do go on high risk missions however, that can not be questioned.
Yes, it wasn't total suicide, as proven when the Spartans got out. But the possibility of extraction was not considered likely, and the chance of losing all of their units was considered high.
And yes they frequently did escort civilians out of colony cities as it was a part of their SOPs. First priority is to get any and all civilians out of harms way. Thats generally how it is with any military unit during a combat action.
Of course, but this does not mean that Spartans were sent on Civilian escort missions, that was a standing order for most of the Military.
And no I do not believe for a second that the missions they were sent on were impossable for ODSTs to complete. I firmly believe that they are more than capable of performing every mission assigned to the Spartan-II unit. Possably with a higher casualty rate but they would be capable of doing it none the less.
This was stated in one of the books that Spartans were sent on missions that lower groups of the military (including ODSTs) couldn't be trusted with.
And considering the amount of contradiction between the games and the books dealing with the amount of Spartan-II losses I just wont deal with them any more. It is constantly being rewriten and I just dont want to keep track of it any more.A-men.
Posted by: jorj17
The honest truth: ODSTs are awesome, Spartans are simply more awesomer.
Nice opinion, I have my own.
And just to make this clear, I am not arguing that the Spartans are failures or that they suck. I am arguing that an ODST is just as capable with less equipment and no augmentations.Which is...misinformed, to say the least. ODSTs are awesome, and very capable, but Spartans are near Mythic in their unbelievable ability to succeed in every task with little to no casualties.
[Edited on 10.11.2009 6:23 PM PDT]