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Subject: ODST's Vs Spartans

Well actually spartans and ODST's do not have the same amount of skill, spartans are way more trained then the ODST's thats why they are reffered to as "Supersoilders" if ODST's had the same skill why wouldn't they be a spartan it makes a lot of sense, Masterchief is awsome

  • 10.12.2009 7:00 AM PDT

Caboose form RvB:

"Or maybe it's a key all the time, and when you stick it in people it unlocks their death."

Oh and chalk another up for the chief.

Have you ever heard of an ODST punching a missile out of the way?

Because I believe that the chief did that.

  • 10.12.2009 7:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: VautlingFrog
Posted by: ZundayXx
But still.
Spartans > ODST's.
Spartans have WAY more combat training, WAY better equipment, Shields, Higher stamina, more melee power. Everything is better on them, thats why they're advanced infantry...


ODSTs are regular Marine infantry that request to be put into the ODST training program. They already have actual combat experience under their belts before they even begin their ODST training.

Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST. The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity.

But to prevent hard feelings about my opinion I give you this: Link



are you freaking kidding me? Have you read the books? spartans training is completely different from that of an odst

  • 10.12.2009 7:09 AM PDT

Posted by: Yes it Was

u have no life no money no girlfriend no land and no soul. u ra worthless ingornt mornic litle man. u are a detrimint to human sociaty and you ran emberesment to human kind. ur parents didn't love you and you where given up for adoption at birth, your adopted parens never told you because they feal srry for you. U are the lowest kind of human scum and you desirve to be shot.

go kill yourself and do the world a faver

I'd like an ODST vs ODST slayer playlist thatd be nice.

  • 10.12.2009 7:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: THE SQUAK MAN
Well John took on more then a thousand grunts... can an ODST do that?


yea but he had the grunt birthday skull on. hehe jk

  • 10.12.2009 7:28 AM PDT

no, the OP just came up with a little idea, and that is fine, however: Vaultingfrog is the main troll.

  • 10.12.2009 1:32 PM PDT

If you were playing MP and had a choice between the spartan (shields, high jumps ect.) or the ODST system (stamina, health packs, ect.) which would you choose for you to win in a fight?

I'm guessing most would pick the spartan b/c it's obviously easier to win but I would pick the ODST b/c it's more hardcore

  • 10.12.2009 1:56 PM PDT

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1 spartan can beat at least 4-8 odsts easy, but odsts are way more badarse

  • 10.12.2009 2:06 PM PDT
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Vaultingfrog
I can nearly lift 750 pounds by my self, no assistance needed. And I am not a body builder, I just work out every once and a while.

People phyiscly are capable of lifting that much weight (IE 3 times their bodyweight or more). I weigh around 175 pounds. About average. Yet I can lift over 4 times my own body weight.


sorry i have a hard time believing that.




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  • 10.12.2009 3:24 PM PDT

Subject: YOUR way of stopping an asteroid the size of Texas from hitting Earth

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launch texas at the asteroid


Epic.

Posted by: BATTLE DAWN
I've been playing Halo Wars over the year with Halo 3 and I just came up with an idea of who is the better soldier.

ODST (Orbital Drop Shock Troopers) or the Spartans?

Fancy a fight together to see which is the UNSC's best soldiers.



Of course it's going to be victory for Spartans, they wouldn't have taken the time and spent the money to make SPARTAN II's if they had only been just as good as ODSTs

  • 10.12.2009 3:29 PM PDT
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ODSTs are have mad skill but not as much combat training as a Spartan who are super soldiers so....

  • 10.12.2009 3:32 PM PDT
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  • 10.12.2009 3:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Dallas Green
I make a legitimate thread on the most logical choice for the next Bond actor, and you take that away from me by creating a parody thread indirectly connecting my thread to yours.

I hope your kids have bad influences and develop bad personalities. I wish this with all my heart.

Spartans, Spartans, Spartans. Seriously. Yeah, ODST's look cool and are fun to play as. But Spartans still kick ass. Enough ass to take on an entire ODST squad.
Really, why are we arguing about this when we already know the answer?

  • 10.12.2009 3:34 PM PDT

if you read the halo books you would know john(master chief) beats the -blam!- out of 4 ODSTs in a gym

  • 10.12.2009 3:39 PM PDT

That's L zero one. not lol or LO1.

depends. the regular marines seem to have no problem killing chief when he pisses them off...
so.
chief < squad of odst
2 spartans = squad of odst
3 or more spartans > squad of odst.

EDIT: oh yeah. in h3 chief has sheilds and health.
at that one point in odst, you have sheilds, stamina and health...
think about it. give an odst sheilds and he would win... more likely

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I love the Master Chief, Buck, The Rookie, Carter and Noble Six.
I also love the 7th Column and I got Halo: Reach by pre-ordering it at GameStop.

I say both because Spartans have Super Soldier MJOLNIR armor and can jack things then any other soldier in the UNSC(UnitedNationsSpaceCommand)but ODSTs can also jack things and you get a NEV,a INTEL and a Map and you can also turn the visor on and you can see your enemy.
But the bad things about the Spartan and the ODST is that they can also blow up when theres too many needles in their armor and the Spartan doesn't have a good map and the ODST can't handle two weapons at a time.
So I say both of them are great and BATTLE DAWN, you should have named the topic"ODSTs or Spartans".

  • 10.12.2009 3:47 PM PDT

Posted by: SPARTANJ13
Vaultingfrog
I can nearly lift 750 pounds by my self, no assistance needed. And I am not a body builder, I just work out every once and a while.

People phyiscly are capable of lifting that much weight (IE 3 times their bodyweight or more). I weigh around 175 pounds. About average. Yet I can lift over 4 times my own body weight.


sorry i have a hard time believing that.




I also find this hard to believe. In high school our school hosted the regional and state championships in powerlifting. 750 lbs is an amazing lift for a heavyweight (250+ weight class) and those are guys that train all year round to lift. At 175 I think the record was around 500lbs. And I'm assuming your talking about squats. Because if you're talking about your ability to bench or clean then I declare total B.S. and if your talking about deadlift, I may believe it if your using a squat suit and knee wraps...and a spotter that's giving you a little help. If you say your older than that so your body is more mature than a high schooler I've graduated and am now playing for a college football team and no one under 200lbs is doing any lift at 700+ lbs.I myself am 260 lbs and can only squat about 550. But 750+ with no assistance? That's insane and you should become a power lifter and start lifting at competitions.

  • 10.12.2009 6:57 PM PDT

I was in 5th grade. I popped in the Halo CE disc into the massive, clunky first generation Microsoft Xbox, and wrapped my small hands around the controller that was almost too big for me. Little did I know what I was getting into.

10+ years later, I still look up to my childhood hero, Master Chief, while everyone talks about He Man and Spongebob haha


Live life son. www.youtube.com/user/MadeInAsiaFilms

Spartans beat ODSTs any day in terms of their abilities.

But ODSTs will always be more human. They are the embodiment of humanity's fighting force. They endure more than any human should, and jump at the possibility of a suicide mission without 'health' insurance given by the shields of MJOLNIR armor.

Spartans > ODSTs in any fight.

But I prefer ODSTs due to their human emotion and nature they posess, and their higher risk factor in combat than Spartans. They're more prone to death, just like any other human, but still continue to fight and volunteer for death-defying missions. That is what sets them apart from the Spartans.

/thread.

  • 10.12.2009 7:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: jorj17
\Edited my last post (look up), try responding to it again. Before, most of my comments got stuck in quotes, my bad.

And do i really appear mad? Gotta work on my application of voice...no i am quite enjoying this debate.

And he wasn't arguing the same way as you, he was arguing in THE EXACT SAME STYLE. I butt heads with you several times (username: TNine), not to mention that if you weren't from HWF, you probably wouldn't know what HWF was.


I appologise. There was no excuse for me to give you such a snappy responce like that. I suppose I was just tired of people calling me an idiot because I didnt buy into the Spartan "legends" like they did.

And no I dont know anybody who goes by the name TNine. As I said before I have never been to nor ever will be on the Halo Wars Forums.

The only reason why I know of them and what HWF means is because the majority of stuff brought up on Bungie's site is dealing with Halo (hence the Halo forums). I figured it out thats all. That and I am aware that Ensemble Studios created its own forums for its Halo game.

Posted by: jorj17
There are many reasons that Spartans are considered legends. They are know to do the impossible, and don't forget, Spartans never die.
Edit: -blam!-, why did this happen again? My comments are in bold, they won't get out of quotes for no -blam!- reason.


For the first part, if it is impossible then how did they do it? And yes Spartans do die, they just arent allowed to "publicly die". Huge difference.

And for your edit, I dont know why that happend to you, never happens to me. Send a message to a forum mod or something. Could be a bug.

Posted by: RvB R0CKS
But the fact that they have 6 year old kids running it makes no difference to you huh?


Not really. We have children who are currently reading books that many adults would have problems understanding. We have children who at age 6 are already performing adult jobs, such as acting.

6 year olds are commonly found on playgrounds. Though not as complex as the one described in Fall of Reach they are the same basic idea. In boyscouts they make wood and rope "playgrounds" that can be just as challenging as a military course.

So no it doesnt suprise me.

Nor do the jumping jacks, pushups, leglifts, squats and other exercises those recruits performed. All are with in the relm of ability for our children these days.

Posted by: RvB R0CKS
How do you recover from augmentations in a cryo-tube?


I just doubt they spent the whole trip outside of the cryo-tubes. Remember that when they were on board the Atlas they made a trip to the Lambda Serpentis System. Depending on its distance from Reach (could be on the far side of Earth for all we know) they could have spend a considerable amount of time in cryo-stasis.

They spent around 5 months on the Atlas. With their medical technology they would have recovered quickly enough from the physical strain of the augmentations.

That is alot of time unaccounted for. So no they may not have spent it in the cryo-tubes, you are right. But the possability is there and quite likely.

Posted by: RvB R0CKS
When was genetic manipulation ever brought up? I believe it was discussed that SPARTANs received genetic enhancements. I can't find my copy of the book at the moment, but some of the enhancements were increased speed, increased reaction time, increased sight/pseudo night-vision, and some other stuff that's escaping me right now.


I will quote you the initial post which brought it up. Just give me a second.

Edit: Here is the quote that started the whole "genetic manipulation/enhancement" deal:

Posted by: Xx GazzRion 33
Actually they are genetically enhanced. But to perform those enhancements, the spartans to be must carry a special gene.

Get your facts right.


Posted by: RvB R0CKS
Again no discussion about manipulation here.


See above.

Posted by: RvB R0CKS
Memory my -blam-!


I wont say I can quote word for word each book but I do tend to remember stats that I find important. I wont always be correct but I do alot of my stuff from memory. Only when pressed do I look stuff up once again.

But believe what you want.

Posted by: GenTSAOSREVENGE
I also find this hard to believe. In high school our school hosted the regional and state championships in powerlifting. 750 lbs is an amazing lift for a heavyweight (250+ weight class) and those are guys that train all year round to lift. At 175 I think the record was around 500lbs. And I'm assuming your talking about squats. Because if you're talking about your ability to bench or clean then I declare total B.S. and if your talking about deadlift, I may believe it if your using a squat suit and knee wraps...and a spotter that's giving you a little help.

If you say your older than that so your body is more mature than a high schooler I've graduated and am now playing for a college football team and no one under 200lbs is doing any lift at 700+ lbs.I myself am 260 lbs and can only squat about 550. But 750+ with no assistance? That's insane and you should become a power lifter and start lifting at competitions.


First off I split your post into paragraphs for easier reading.

Secondly yes I can do a 750 pound squat with out assistance. I wear a weight belt for safety of course but nothing else is special about my lift.

And when doing weights like that you always have a spotter, however the spotter does not ever touch the bar unless there is trouble. That is one of the major rules I have.

So it is unassisted.

In high school I was one of several people to make it into the 1,600 pound club for lifting. That is a combo of your max squat weight, jerk and clean and benchpress. With a 750 pound squat (yes I still maintain that weight after 18 years), a 425 pound benchpress and a 475 jerk and clean. Thats a total of 1,650 pounds. Not enough for the 1,700 pound club but close.

With proper training and technique you can lift very large amounts of weight. It takes time to build up to that kind of weight and even more to be able to rep it more than once (which I can not do).

And no I do not want to become a power lifter or body builder. I just lift to keep in shape. Us middle aged people do need to keep up on those things.

Oh and one more thing. I have only 1% body fat. No I am not bragging (it is actually really bad for me, something that I am trying to change). Alot of my weight comes from muscle mass not from fat. I should have mentioned that earlier as it does make a difference.

Posted by: Rorchach
no, the OP just came up with a little idea, and that is fine, however: Vaultingfrog is the main troll.


Excuse me? How exactly am I a troll? I have presented reasoned arguements and plenty of data to back my arguements up.

Is it because I dont agree with you? If that is the case then sorry dude but your going to be finding trolls everywhere.


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  • 10.13.2009 1:34 AM PDT

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I've done my reseach on the 2 games: Halo3, Halo3: ODST.
Spartans have weakneses and I'm not sure what the Marines have.

Spartans have many weakneses even for a sniper or Brute chieftain.

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  • 10.13.2009 2:11 AM PDT

I didnt bother reading through all the pages, so I dont know if it has been mentioned.

But if I remember correctly, in "Fall of Reach"(the book duhh) when John got connected with Cortana for the first time he was put through a course, in which he had to attain.
ODST were there to stop him and he killed a few of them, he had no guns or ammo just he let his fists do his work, after that a bomb dorping fly thingamadiggy came and he(with the help of cortana) "blocked" the missile....

So I'd say that ODST's are nothing vs spartans..

No one here remember when John killed 5 of them or 6 in a gym, he was 16-17 years old..

  • 10.13.2009 2:18 AM PDT

Posted by: XG0dOfDarknessX
Well actually spartans and ODST's do not have the same amount of skill, spartans are way more trained then the ODST's thats why they are reffered to as "Supersoilders" if ODST's had the same skill why wouldn't they be a spartan it makes a lot of sense, Masterchief is awsome


True mate, but a pointer out, Spartans were bred to be soldiers, ODST enlisted at some X age, thus, making them soldiers, and spartans "warriors" if you will!

  • 10.13.2009 2:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Bishing red
I didnt bother reading through all the pages, so I dont know if it has been mentioned.

But if I remember correctly, in "Fall of Reach"(the book duhh) when John got connected with Cortana for the first time he was put through a course, in which he had to attain.
ODST were there to stop him and he killed a few of them, he had no guns or ammo just he let his fists do his work, after that a bomb dorping fly thingamadiggy came and he(with the help of cortana) "blocked" the missile....

So I'd say that ODST's are nothing vs spartans..

No one here remember when John killed 5 of them or 6 in a gym, he was 16-17 years old..


Both occasions have been mentioned however I will point out two things.

1: Dealing with the fight on board the Atlas there were only 4 ODSTs. They were ordered to pick a fight with him not knowing who he was, what he was or even why he was on the Atlas in the first place. Lack of knowledge let them to underestimate their target. They saw him as a young kid who didnt appear to be much of a threat.

After the first one was knocked out they changed tactics and still were semi successful for not knowing the capabilities of Spartan-117. They did pin his arms in place and could have done some serious damage. A series of good hits managed to free him. That was about it for that fight.

2: The MJOLNIR armor gives a Spartan-II a clear advantage over ODSTs. I dont contest to this, which is why I leave it out of the picture period. It is an equal comparison this way. And no he didnt kill any of them just incapacitated them.

  • 10.13.2009 2:30 AM PDT

Posted by: VautlingFrog

Both occasions have been mentioned however I will point out two things.

1: Dealing with the fight on board the Atlas there were only 4 ODSTs. They were ordered to pick a fight with him not knowing who he was, what he was or even why he was on the Atlas in the first place. Lack of knowledge let them to underestimate their target. They saw him as a young kid who didnt appear to be much of a threat.

After the first one was knocked out they changed tactics and still were semi successful for not knowing the capabilities of Spartan-117. They did pin his arms in place and could have done some serious damage. A series of good hits managed to free him. That was about it for that fight.

2: The MJOLNIR armor gives a Spartan-II a clear advantage over ODSTs. I dont contest to this, which is why I leave it out of the picture period. It is an equal comparison this way. And no he didnt kill any of them just incapacitated them.



Thanks for correcting me, it has been some time since I read the book!

  • 10.13.2009 2:35 AM PDT