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Subject: The BR55P - The Battle Rifle Prototype - A Perfect BR!

Posted by: ElementalRunner

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

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There's been a lot of debate about the Battle Rifle and optimizing it to be less of a beat-all weapon and more of a weapon that you choose merely out of preference. However, just sticking new settings to the old weapon would go against canon badly.

So, the idea of this is to make the Battle Rifle less dominant, right? In that case, why not just stick new settings on a weapon that is a prototype of the BR55? The BR55P.

The Prototype version would fire it's 3 bullet bursts ever so slightly slower than the normal BR. The bullets would also spread a little more than the Standard BR; giving a sense of imperfection.

This way, the Battle Rifle would be an effective ranged weapon but far from an overpowered beat-all killer.

So I give you ladies and gentlemen, the BR55P Battle Rifle Prototype. Please discuss.

  • 10.07.2009 12:27 PM PDT

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anyone played Reseistance 2 competitive? try making the br like the marksman.

  • 10.07.2009 12:29 PM PDT

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no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here

  • 10.07.2009 12:56 PM PDT

I love it. Put it in reach bungie. Please.

  • 10.07.2009 12:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
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Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here

This. Not only would it feel more like a prototype, but it would also make a better equivilant to the Covenant Carbine. You would, of course, be forced to reduce either maximum ammunition carried to about 72, or even 36, or reduce the clip size.

  • 10.07.2009 12:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here


So, you're saying make the BR into the Carbine? Because that's effectively what that would do...

  • 10.07.2009 1:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here


So, you're saying make the BR into the Carbine? Because that's effectively what that would do...

it would effectively balance the gun, if you really want it to be different from the carbine you can make each shot more powerful, but have more recoil. in this way it takes more skill to pull the trigger quickly and keep in on target so at long range you would shoot in controlled increments and at close range pull the trigger as fast as possible.

  • 10.07.2009 1:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here


So, you're saying make the BR into the Carbine? Because that's effectively what that would do...

Differences would be implemented. Not only what I said above, but perhaps the BR would have a feature allowing it to fire as fast as you can pull the trigger.

  • 10.07.2009 1:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here


In that link at 55 seconds is that Romeo??

As for the actual topic of the thread, I would prefer a semi-auto BR to the 3 round burst.

  • 10.07.2009 1:09 PM PDT

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How about a three Round burst fired in sets of two with a delay in between each set of 2?

Example:

"*Bam Bam* Pause Delay *Bam Bam* Pause Delay"

Decreasing the range of the Battle Rifle(or you prototype you mentioned) but keeping the scope could easily make it a managable medium-short range weapon.

  • 10.07.2009 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: SkillfulTadpole
Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here


In that link at 55 seconds is that Romeo??

As for the actual topic of the thread, I would prefer a semi-auto BR to the 3 round burst.

i've heard some people say thats romeo, but it doesn't make sense because in this video romeo is dropping in on a pelican, and in ODST he comes in an HEV

  • 10.07.2009 1:10 PM PDT

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No the BR has to have a burst, that is what makes it a BR. But I think Ceramic Rabbit has the right idea to have it have more recoil, so it requires more skill to put the reticule back onto the target(head). If not a burst of 3, maybe a burst of 2?

  • 10.07.2009 1:13 PM PDT

Posted by: Cheeto666
Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here

This. Not only would it feel more like a prototype, but it would also make a better equivilant to the Covenant Carbine. You would, of course, be forced to reduce either maximum ammunition carried to about 72, or even 36, or reduce the clip size.

Are you crazy? The last thing we need is to reduce the maximum ammo counts for weapons. The Halo 1 AR holds 600 rounds while the SMG holds 180 and new AR holds 300. The Halo 1 pistol holds 120 rounds while the BR (which has a 3 round burst) holds 108. Hopefully that puts things in perspective for you

Bungie has raped players in Halo 2, 3, and ODST. I'm CONSTANTLY running out of ammo. There's constantly a mad scarcity in ammo and I always have to resort picking up something lame (as in a plasma rifle or plasma pistol). In Halo 1 you can comfortably run through a level with whatever weapon you want, maybe only seriously needing ammo a handful of times. This isn't the case in the following halo games. The maximum ammo capacities of every weapon has been dramatically reduced FORCING players to pick up crap weapons.

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I say just tone it down so it's a medium range weapon. Effective at semi long range, but will always fall short to the sniper. In addition make it so it's almost useless at close range. By assuring that it won't be overpowered it has to only be effective in it's intended range. It gives you a reason to pick up other weapons.

  • 10.07.2009 1:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here


Wow, I'm in love with that BR. I hate the cheap BR now, with it's cheap headshots. The burst ruins it by making it random and making it too easy to headshot. I'd much rather prefer a weapon that takes consistent aim and a thoughtful headshot to do the job.

  • 10.07.2009 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
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Posted by: A7XEric
Posted by: Cheeto666
Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here

This. Not only would it feel more like a prototype, but it would also make a better equivilant to the Covenant Carbine. You would, of course, be forced to reduce either maximum ammunition carried to about 72, or even 36, or reduce the clip size.

Are you crazy? The last thing we need is to reduce the maximum ammo counts for weapons. The Halo 1 AR holds 600 rounds while the SMG holds 180 and new AR holds 300. The Halo 1 pistol holds 120 rounds while the BR (which has a 3 round burst) holds 108. Hopefully that puts things in perspective for you

Bungie has raped players in Halo 2, 3, and ODST. I'm CONSTANTLY running out of ammo. There's constantly a mad scarcity in ammo and I always have to resort picking up something lame (as in a plasma rifle or plasma pistol). In Halo 1 you can comfortably run through a level with whatever weapon you want, maybe only seriously needing ammo a handful of times. This isn't the case in the following halo games. The maximum ammo capacities of every weapon has been dramatically reduced FORCING players to pick up crap weapons.

A: This isn't Halo CE. We won't be needing 600 rounds for our AR, likely because ammo will be more readily available (as it was in both H2 and H3).
In ODST, ammo was not a concern, because better weapons were constantly available.
Also, these "crap" weapons are pretty much everything except the BR. Halo 2 and 3 had a problem with the BR being a dominant weapon, reducing the effectivness of all other weapons. In theory, reducing the effectiveness of the BR increases that of all other weapons, balancing the game out.

  • 10.07.2009 1:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
Posted by: Shai Hulud
Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here


So, you're saying make the BR into the Carbine? Because that's effectively what that would do...

it would effectively balance the gun, if you really want it to be different from the carbine you can make each shot more powerful, but have more recoil. in this way it takes more skill to pull the trigger quickly and keep in on target so at long range you would shoot in controlled increments and at close range pull the trigger as fast as possible.


In a normal multiplayer match, I can't really tell how making the BR a single-shot semi-auto weapon would change anything other than the aesthetic. Yeah, there's the whole "spread" thing, but very, very rarely does the spread actually make a difference. You could condense the 3 bullets into one, keeping the time between shots the same, and you'd get the same effect.

The only instance where I actually notice the spread making a difference is in Campaign against grunts (especially Halo 2). Sometimes you can get more than one kill with one burst, thanks to the nature of the burst.

The recoil idea is a good one, though, I'll give you that, but it wouldn't make much sense in the hands of a Spartan (but, we might not be playing as Spartans).

  • 10.07.2009 1:53 PM PDT

The Prototype version would fire it's 3 bullet bursts ever so slightly slower than the normal BR. The bullets would also spread a little more than the Standard BR; giving a sense of imperfection.



Is it just me or did they make the H3 BR fire slower and have more spread in its burst... so basically what they did with the H2 BR but do it again... I think i like the H2 prototype idea better it seems like it would be more of a prototype and less of a slight tweak to game mechanics.

  • 10.07.2009 1:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cheeto666
Posted by: Shai Hulud
Posted by: Ceramic Rabbit
no offense but that isn't the best way. rather than making it shoot slower make it like the REAL prototype seen in prerelease halo 2 gameplay right here


So, you're saying make the BR into the Carbine? Because that's effectively what that would do...

Differences would be implemented. Not only what I said above, but perhaps the BR would have a feature allowing it to fire as fast as you can pull the trigger.


Sounds just like the auto-mag to me........

  • 10.07.2009 2:00 PM PDT

Sounds like a good idea, but all the fanboys would just complain that they "nerfed the BR"

Ideally, I'd like a new assault rifle, kind of like the M14 from CoD, but all high-tech.

  • 10.07.2009 2:01 PM PDT

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Looks like a = to a handgun in my oppinion, and was that a triple wack by the chief?

  • 10.07.2009 2:19 PM PDT

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I actually like the idea of the BR55P. I mean, the concept of a prototype Battle Rifle. Kinda puts the game in perspective in respect to the Time Line.

For those who will say that, "How come there aren't any in Halo CE then?"

Here's my answer: The Autumn jumped before the UNSC could outfit their Armory with the BR55P. Then, it was perfected and shipped to Earth.

  • 10.07.2009 2:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
The recoil idea is a good one, though, I'll give you that, but it wouldn't make much sense in the hands of a Spartan (but, we might not be playing as Spartans).
I'm not sure what you mean. There are plenty of weapons (Like the SMG) that have a recoil in the hands of a Spartan.

  • 10.07.2009 2:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pokeh
Posted by: Shai Hulud
The recoil idea is a good one, though, I'll give you that, but it wouldn't make much sense in the hands of a Spartan (but, we might not be playing as Spartans).
I'm not sure what you mean. There are plenty of weapons (Like the SMG) that have a recoil in the hands of a Spartan.


Yeah, but I also think that the SMG shouldn't "walk" as much as it does for a Spartan. But it is a gameplay decision that may need to be made outside of the bounds of "expected realism," so it's more of a minor thing for me. I suppose that in terms of gameplay in of itself, I do prefer weapons to have the recoil that they do...

In other words, disregard that statement I made earlier...

  • 10.07.2009 2:57 PM PDT
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