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  • 10.07.2009 2:30 PM PDT

How bout we make weapon damage modifiable in customs and make the br weaker in regular matchmaking.

  • 10.07.2009 2:36 PM PDT

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So instead of fixing the only weapon that performs outside of it's own application, you feel it is more practical to overhaul everything else to fit with the BR?

The issue of BR balance is just that BR BALANCE. Changing around the other weapons won't make the BR any more or less balanced. The hard truth is that the BR was not a well thought out weapon, regardless of how popular it is.

  • 10.07.2009 2:36 PM PDT

um since "balance" is a relevant term (in this case the BR's power relative to the power of other weapons) yes actually changing other weapons will balance or unbalance the BR. It would be alot more work to overhaul the entire game based on one weapon. If you want the game to be really competitive this would probably be the best option... but who said Halo needed to be highly competitive. I like the idea of having an MLG playlist with the current BR and having other playlists with the new more balanced one. Perhaps a custom game matchmaking system would be appropriate?

  • 10.07.2009 2:43 PM PDT

but why not make both groups happy "MLG" players and just casual players who like dual weilds and all these "weak" weapons make playlists for both. either make the playlists more specialized than they currently are or implement a custom game search system as well as a matchmaking system.

  • 10.07.2009 2:49 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Posted by: Wild Bovine
um since "balance" is a relevant term (in this case the BR's power relative to the power of other weapons) yes actually changing other weapons will balance or unbalance the BR. It would be alot more work to overhaul the entire game based on one weapon. If you want the game to be really competitive this would probably be the best option... but who said Halo needed to be highly competitive. I like the idea of having an MLG playlist with the current BR and having other playlists with the new more balanced one. Perhaps a custom game matchmaking system would be appropriate?


Um no it wouldn't be any work at all to change weapon traits pre release. It is as simple as changing a few values and maybe altering the reticule. I doubt it but I watched a modder at work in H2. Changing weapon traits took a minute. Then a week of testing by gamers...NOT their staff. Considering all of 1 of them even has a 50 in Halo.


Dude, right here, this is what is wrong with your views. You feel that someone that has a high MM rank has a more relevant opinion of the game and how it should function. Are you really so ignorant to realize that the high ranking people are going to want more of what makes it easier for them to achieve a high rank. The BR's popularity is based on it's utility and simplicity, and no balance is not realative in this situation.

If you look at every weapon, every weapon in the game (currently) you can clear identify limitations, each weapon has it's "sandbox" if you will. The BR does not, it can be used consistently and efficiently at all ranges aside from extreme short, or extreme long. This is a balance issue, plain and simple.

The game needs to be balanced by people who understand what balance actually is, not people who will do what they can to retain the rank that they want. Anyone with intelligence will agree that the "competitive gamer" is not part of the majority, same goes for the self-proclaimed "good" or "elite".

  • 10.07.2009 3:00 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
SweetTRIX If you think that I can't kick your ass into the next decade with any weapon in halo short a shotgun or hammer since they rely on host a lot. Your nuts. Feel free to message me here and SFR and well play this idea that the weapon is why I am a 50 in every playlist and your highest skill is below 35


What the hell does any of that have to do with a persons ability to understand weapon balance, seriously? You are so ignorant it's sad. Rank is not a reflection of intelligence, it's a reflection of how much you play the damn game, and how good you've gotten on it. I know several 50's that got it easy as pie due to 2nd account use, what does that prove? Not a damn thing.

Anyone with a functioning brain stem will discount what you say as long as you believe your 50 matters in terms of understanding what makes a game balanced.

  • 10.07.2009 3:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
SweetTRIX If you think that I can't kick your ass into the next decade with any weapon in halo short a shotgun or hammer since they rely on host a lot. Your nuts. Feel free to message me here and SFR and well play this idea that the weapon is why I am a 50 in every playlist and your highest skill is below 35


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  • 10.07.2009 3:18 PM PDT

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Or we could just stick with leaving the BR out.

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[Edited on 10.07.2009 3:20 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 3:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Posted by: AgLion
Or we could just stick with leaving the BR out.



What does that accomplish. Someone please give me a reason.

We might as well take aiming out of the game.


We could use *oh my gosh* OTHER WEAPONS.

They'll add more headshot based weapons.

[Edited on 10.07.2009 3:26 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 3:26 PM PDT
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I still don't see how the br is overpowered.
Halo has 3 ranges: close, mid and long range.
When I respawn I want to be able to do damage on all ranges. Halo 3's br doesn't even work on mid range, most of your bullets don't even hit when you shoot someone from top gold to top snipe on guardian.That is midrange, the br doesn't even work on that range. So the weapon I start with should be able to work on midrange, and I mean work, no spread just shoot where I'm aiming at. With some skill and no autoaim you should be able to do damage on long range. And of course the weapon should be usable, if you are skilled enough, on close range. Of course the shotgun would still beat it on close range and the snipe on long range.
That's what I want to spawn with. Whether it's the BR or something else doesn't matter. Ever since I spawned with a smg in halo 2 I feel so damn useless with the weapon. You can't do anything if you aren't close to your enemy, it's even worse with the Assault Rifle.
Also every game with AR starts ends up with
a) one team controlling all power weapons, and since you spawn with ar you can't do anything against them
or
b) everyone running at one spot (snipe tower on guardian) and shoot + melee each other.

  • 10.07.2009 3:27 PM PDT

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Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: RELLIK PIR
SweetTRIX If you think that I can't kick your ass into the next decade with any weapon in halo short a shotgun or hammer since they rely on host a lot. Your nuts. Feel free to message me here and SFR and well play this idea that the weapon is why I am a 50 in every playlist and your highest skill is below 35


What the hell does any of that have to do with a persons ability to understand weapon balance, seriously? You are so ignorant it's sad. Rank is not a reflection of intelligence, it's a reflection of how much you play the damn game, and how good you've gotten on it. I know several 50's that got it easy as pie due to 2nd account use, what does that prove? Not a damn thing.

Anyone with a functioning brain stem will discount what you say as long as you believe your 50 matters in terms of understanding what makes a game balanced.


So you suck at the game and you don't play the game a lot so what makes you qualified to judge balance.

When your wrong you always wind up shooting yourself in the mouth I mean foot.


Wow, ok, you want to prve you know something, try actually arguing my point, and not just harping on the rank thing. Please, i've got time before I have to go to lunch, i'll wait.

  • 10.07.2009 3:32 PM PDT

How to solve the issue:

Create an editable BR (in Forge)

*Problem Solved*

  • 10.07.2009 3:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
HCE HUGE HIT has CE pistol

H2 HUGE HIT has BR which sucks. Then they change it to super rifle we love

H3 huge hit BR while not perfect we make do.

Halo reach without a BR or like weapon. FLOP.


Too bad they weren't huge hits because of one specific weapon.

  • 10.07.2009 3:37 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
What point? Sorry I didn't see one. What was it again.


Try reading and thinking instead of talking out of your ass. I may not agree with Rakata's point of view, but at least he has an argument. Anything you have said is centered around your want of the BR to return, with no supporting arguement. Your come backs to people that call you out have to do with your rank (who gives a damn, and what does it matter?) and it's apparent ability to grant you some superior knowledge of solid balanced gameplay (didn't know a little number could do that!).

So please, present an actual arguement as to why the BR, in it's current form should remain unchanged and why the rest of the weapons should be changed to cater to the BR's inherent imbalance.

[Edited on 10.07.2009 3:40 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 3:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: RELLIK PIR
SweetTRIX If you think that I can't kick your ass into the next decade with any weapon in halo short a shotgun or hammer since they rely on host a lot. Your nuts. Feel free to message me here and SFR and well play this idea that the weapon is why I am a 50 in every playlist and your highest skill is below 35


What the hell does any of that have to do with a persons ability to understand weapon balance, seriously? You are so ignorant it's sad. Rank is not a reflection of intelligence, it's a reflection of how much you play the damn game, and how good you've gotten on it. I know several 50's that got it easy as pie due to 2nd account use, what does that prove? Not a damn thing.

Anyone with a functioning brain stem will discount what you say as long as you believe your 50 matters in terms of understanding what makes a game balanced.


So you suck at the game and you don't play the game a lot so what makes you qualified to judge balance.

When your wrong you always wind up shooting yourself in the mouth I mean foot.

Your inability to grasp basic concepts of balance and rank meaning -blam!- make your, sir, a dumbass, offically. your thousands of battle rifle kills mean nothing, your sniper kills also mean nothing. only in a game withoud battle rifles and snipers does your true skill actually show. remember, anyone can kill effectavly with a battle rifle and a sniper, but not with pistols and worthog(driver). i do find your lack of faith disturbing

  • 10.07.2009 3:38 PM PDT
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If you are bad you want a weapon which is easy to use. And as much as you want to believe that the br is said weapon, it is not. What do you have to do to get a kill with the ar?
Aim until any part of the enemy is in your reticle and pull down the right trigger, press b and get an awesome double beatdown.
Now with the br you have to aim for the head and keep your aim their.
On halo level games, the thing most here will never see, you have to teamshoot. With ar's this is 4 people running around together and just pulling down their right trigger. With the br all 4 can position their selfes on the map and comunicate to hit one guy from all across the map. Now the bad kid things that this means the br is overpowered, because he can nolonger get kills. But honestly if Iam better at the game, way better, isn't it natural that I beat you when you are much worse?
When I am better at math I get the better grade.

  • 10.07.2009 3:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: RELLIK PIR

AGlion
What makes OTHER WEAPONS a reason to remove the BR or nerf it. I think we need other weapons to.

Continue please. You clearly seem to a be a drive by that will embarrass himself shortly and help my case.


First point:

I never siad anything about other weapons being a reason to remove it. I find that it is easily the most annoying and abused weapon in the Halo series, and should be removed for everyone's benefit.

I'm sure we'll see other headshot weapons, and BR (no matter how popular it is) will hopefully be forgotten.

Second Point:

I smell an ass.

  • 10.07.2009 3:39 PM PDT