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Subject: BR change that would make everyone happy

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: RELLIK PIR
What point? Sorry I didn't see one. What was it again.


Try reading and thinking instead of talking out of your ass. I may not agree with Rakata's point of view, but at least he has an argument. Anything you have said is centered around your want of the BR to return, with no supporting arguement. You come backs to people that call you out have to do with your rank (who gives a damn, and what does it matter?).

So please, present an actual arguement as to why the BR, in it's current form should remain unchanged and why the rest of the weapons should be changed to cater to the BR's inherent imbalance.

i agree with your point of view, a persons want's is much less important then a resonable argument, let alone one that contradicts that one persons want's.

  • 10.07.2009 3:40 PM PDT

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The BR is great. The AR is broken in its range.
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  • 10.07.2009 3:44 PM PDT
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God guys why are we talking about this?
The game is 2 years into development, the weapons are set. Just wait for the beta, play it yourself, then go into the forum and post your opinion.
Bungie won't remove the br/a similuar mid range weapon, it's popular, and that is what bungie cares about. If not many won't buy it, and bungie want's money, so atleast the beta will have a, by bad kids called, overpowered mid range weapon. Don't worry their will be btb with vehicels, so you can show your "skill" at driving...

  • 10.07.2009 3:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rakata
If you are bad you want a weapon which is easy to use. And as much as you want to believe that the br is said weapon, it is not. What do you have to do to get a kill with the ar?
Aim until any part of the enemy is in your reticle and pull down the right trigger, press b and get an awesome double beatdown.
Now with the br you have to aim for the head and keep your aim their.
On halo level games, the thing most here will never see, you have to teamshoot. With ar's this is 4 people running around together and just pulling down their right trigger. With the br all 4 can position their selfes on the map and comunicate to hit one guy from all across the map. Now the bad kid things that this means the br is overpowered, because he can nolonger get kills. But honestly if Iam better at the game, way better, isn't it natural that I beat you when you are much worse?
When I am better at math I get the better grade.


I'd have no problem with your arguement if the ranking system in Halo supported it. My truest issue is with the utility of the BR, it is too effective. If it were a little harder to use I would care less. Personally I feel the Carbine is a more effective weapon in the hand of an experienced user, and due to the single shot nature of it, it takes more control to use effectively.

If they change how the BR functions, and make it a little more demanding on the skill side of things, then cool. But in it's current form it is too useful, too overpowered. As such to thrive you need to fall back on the BR and this makes for monotonous gameplay. My frustration with the weapon doesn't stem from my inability to use it, that is the point that the OP doesn't seem to grasp.

If the BR becomes a more focused weapon the, people will have to be diverse in the way they play the game, and that is when actual skill will show up IMO, as I do not believe camping of any kind to be "skillfull" and the BR is the ultimate campers weapon in Halo3.

  • 10.07.2009 3:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

Posted by: Rakata
God guys why are we talking about this?
The game is 2 years into development, the weapons are set. Just wait for the beta, play it yourself, then go into the forum and post your opinion.
Bungie won't remove the br/a similuar mid range weapon, it's popular, and that is what bungie cares about. If not many won't buy it, and bungie want's money, so atleast the beta will have a, by bad kids called, overpowered mid range weapon. Don't worry their will be btb with vehicels, so you can show your "skill" at driving...
Get a gunner. Warthog v. Warthog. Then try to tell me that driving doesn't take any skill. (Not actually, can't play right now lol)

  • 10.07.2009 3:51 PM PDT

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Um the Utility weapon to what made and makes HALO a good game. Actually the BR should be a tad more powerful as it is not it is to easy for people to constantly run away especially on these over sized maps.

The reason no one uses to other weapons is because they are USELESS... They all need to be adjusted to be more useful. More accurate longer range and a a bit faster killing power when used effectively.


If it wasn't for the BR/Utility weapon this game would have flopped. I would be playing Shadowrun personally. Back in H2 after a while I would have gone back to Starcraft. I may have never have even bought a 360.

So wait you want the BR more powerful then you want the other weapons more powerful, how does that accomplish anything. I agree with sweetTRIX.

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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
That one kid about the warthog driving was either sarcastic as -blam!- or the most embarrassing thing I have ever read and goes farther to prove these B.net kids are retarded and that is what they really think most of them anyway.
I wasn't being sarcastic. Have you ever used the warthog? Probably not, because you seem to be an "MLG 1337 BR 4 shotz lololol" kinda guy, but if you don't drive effectively against another warthog who starts shooting at the same time, YOU WILL LOSE. Therefore it is possible to be better than someone, therefore it takes skill, regardless of how little or how much.

  • 10.07.2009 3:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
I'd have no problem with your arguement if the ranking system in Halo supported it. My truest issue is with the utility of the BR, it is too effective. If it were a little harder to use I would care less. Personally I feel the Carbine is a more effective weapon in the hand of an experienced user, and due to the single shot nature of it, it takes more control to use effectively.

If they change how the BR functions, and make it a little more demanding on the skill side of things, then cool. But in it's current form it is too useful, too overpowered. As such to thrive you need to fall back on the BR and this makes for monotonous gameplay. My frustration with the weapon doesn't stem from my inability to use it, that is the point that the OP doesn't seem to grasp.

If the BR becomes a more focused weapon the, people will have to be diverse in the way they play the game, and that is when actual skill will show up IMO, as I do not believe camping of any kind to be "skillfull" and the BR is the ultimate campers weapon in Halo3.

I agree with your argument about the carbine being better, the battle rifle should be much harder to use, make it like, say, the prototype in the E3 Halo 2 demo(wishes that the level would resurface in reach). also, bring in a combatant to the battle rifle, the M6D could definatly balance the scales. befor i get flamed about the M6D being more nooby than the Battle rifle and how everyone uses it, that statement is FALSE. i know, i still play it on the pc, and everyone takes an assult rifle.

  • 10.07.2009 3:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Come on at least get a 40+ to agree with you. Otherwise this really is a debate between people who can't play the game well and people that can.
Talking to me or sweetrix?

  • 10.07.2009 3:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
That one kid about the warthog driving was either sarcastic as -blam!- or the most embarrassing thing I have ever read and goes farther to prove these B.net kids are retarded and that is what they really think most of them anyway.
I wasn't being sarcastic. Have you ever used the warthog? Probably not, because you seem to be an "MLG 1337 BR 4 shotz lololol" kinda guy, but if you don't drive effectively against another warthog who starts shooting at the same time, YOU WILL LOSE. Therefore it is possible to be better than someone, therefore it takes skill, regardless of how little or how much.


No I win. I aim for the gunner killing him first then I kill the driver leaving the hog intact so we can drive two of them around being duech bags.

Feel free to SFR and prove me right.
You just proved me right. You can beat them. Therefore you are at least a little bit better. Therefore it takes at least a little bit of skill.

  • 10.07.2009 4:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Come on at least get a 40+ to agree with you. Otherwise this really is a debate between people who can't play the game well and people that can.

you, sir, phailed. yes i spelt it with a ph, you failed that bad. have you no sence in you? rank means nothing! you can play the game as effectavly as 50, but only be a luetenant.

[Edited on 10.07.2009 4:02 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: Rakata
If you are bad you want a weapon which is easy to use. And as much as you want to believe that the br is said weapon, it is not. What do you have to do to get a kill with the ar?
Aim until any part of the enemy is in your reticle and pull down the right trigger, press b and get an awesome double beatdown.
Now with the br you have to aim for the head and keep your aim their.
On halo level games, the thing most here will never see, you have to teamshoot. With ar's this is 4 people running around together and just pulling down their right trigger. With the br all 4 can position their selfes on the map and comunicate to hit one guy from all across the map. Now the bad kid things that this means the br is overpowered, because he can nolonger get kills. But honestly if Iam better at the game, way better, isn't it natural that I beat you when you are much worse?
When I am better at math I get the better grade.


I'd have no problem with your arguement if the ranking system in Halo supported it. My truest issue is with the utility of the BR, it is too effective. If it were a little harder to use I would care less. Personally I feel the Carbine is a more effective weapon in the hand of an experienced user, and due to the single shot nature of it, it takes more control to use effectively.

If they change how the BR functions, and make it a little more demanding on the skill side of things, then cool. But in it's current form it is too useful, too overpowered. As such to thrive you need to fall back on the BR and this makes for monotonous gameplay. My frustration with the weapon doesn't stem from my inability to use it, that is the point that the OP doesn't seem to grasp.

If the BR becomes a more focused weapon the, people will have to be diverse in the way they play the game, and that is when actual skill will show up IMO, as I do not believe camping of any kind to be "skillfull" and the BR is the ultimate campers weapon in Halo3.


So your saying that if the BR was harder to use. I don't disagree Not simply harder, but more focused, not the "do all" weapon it is now.
And if other weapons weren't useless... I also agree Don't know where you pulled that one from, I never said that. The fact is other weapons would become more useful simply by making the BR less useful, they go hand in hand.
That the BR and game would be better... HMMMMMMM

Ow campers love tHE AR. Crouch, Spray, Pray, Melee and you have summed up the AR. Firelane camping is still camping, and it is one of the strongest uses of the BR by many.
People who like to have friends and teams like to setup with the BR and team shoot since the weapons are all so useless it is hard to get a kill alone. I've never had any great difficulty getting a kill solo, but I understand the use of having a team focus fire. It is funny how people call it "setting up" when it's their preference, and camping when it isn't.

That one kid about the warthog driving was either sarcastic as -blam!- or the most embarrassing thing I have ever read and goes farther to prove these B.net kids are retarded and that is what they really think most of them anyway. Actually the kids point is fairly valid, the game is supposed to be multi-faceted, hence so many options. The BR removes the necessity of many of the other options. In a game fully of learned players, it is hard to survive in the hog for long, any vehicle actually.

SweeTrix
You seem mildly intelligent. Are you reading this. These are the people who are on your side. You should think long and hard about being paired with them.


I represent myself and only myself, but i'd rather be paired with anyone over arrogant pricks like yourself. I've itemized some responses in bold on your response above.

[Edited on 10.07.2009 4:05 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 4:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
No I wasn't talking to you. I could best you at anything in this game. I doubt you little brain had the foresite to see Rocket-race is my second most played playlist.

rocket-race has mongeese and deathless enabled. also, all people have tha same brain capacity, it is just a matter of how you use, how much, and how long you use it that make a person intellectual or unintellectual.
EDIT: you, rellik pir, seem to use borderline nothing of your mind, how you manage to get up in the morning baffles me, and you dont seam to use it for very long, if at all.

[Edited on 10.07.2009 4:09 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 4:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
No I wasn't talking to you. I could best you at anything in this game. I doubt you little brain had the foresite to see Rocket-race is my second most played playlist.
You most certainly could kick my ass at almost every part of this game. Too bad that's totally irrelevant. (Side note- please stop talking like you're so much better than everyone else here. You aren't even that good, tbh (1.18 ranked kdr). And yes, I fully acknowledge that my ranked kdr is 0.83 or something. Even I could get a 50 if I really tried, so don't pull that one either)

[Edited on 10.07.2009 4:12 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 4:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Come on at least get a 40+ to agree with you. Otherwise this really is a debate between people who can't play the game well and people that can.

you, sir, phailed. yes i spelt it with a ph, you failed that bad. have you no sence in you? rank means nothing! you can play the game as effectavly as 50, but only be a luetenant.


Go download firefox PLEASE. It auto spellchecks.

Your trying to say I don't or can't use other weapons. Or that a lieutenant could use any part of this game as effectively as me. The fact that you can't mean you don't understand the game as well as I do. When you can use every weapon to its fullest you clearly are more equipped to have an opinion into how it should operate.

Warthog is only fun for the guy gunning and driving at low ranks. It is a fine weapon against BR starts and good players because they can utilize all the other weapons to the fullest and move around the map effectively to nullify the vehicles power.

Fail, once again, I donnot use spellcheck and i still am able to spell most words correctly, you, on the other hand, are probably illegable and cannot spell "good" without spellcheck. also, re-read my post once again, and you will find it very confusing if my suspisions are correct. also, the worthog was alwasy fun to use, and shall be(opinion)(fact) it is spelt worthog, after the animal(it is a wild boar, from where i do not recall).

  • 10.07.2009 4:15 PM PDT

Posted by: SweetTRIX
So instead of fixing the only weapon that performs outside of it's own application, you feel it is more practical to overhaul everything else to fit with the BR?

The issue of BR balance is just that BR BALANCE. Changing around the other weapons won't make the BR any more or less balanced. The hard truth is that the BR was not a well thought out weapon, regardless of how popular it is.


No dumb ass, the useless pieces of -blam!- known as 90% of Halo 3's weapon set is the problem. Most weapons are only good for spraying and then spamming melee. Halo CE had an OP pistol(far stronger than the BR) but all other weapons were useful in unique situations making them worth using still,

  • 10.07.2009 4:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Halo reach without a BR or like weapon. FLOP.

Sorry but most bad kids follow the good ones and a game without a Utility weapon will chase away the entire MLG population and even if we are small all the people that will follow us because we are awesome isn't.

Haha, wow.

You honestly think people buy Halo because it has a weapon that is supposed to be close-mid range yet has a scope? People are not going to not buy Halo Reach if there isn't a BR or some sort of weapon the same. And MLG wont care either. I'm sure you will all be using some other weapon, perhaps the Carbine? Which is just as good yet gets no love?

Reach is Bungie's last Halo game. Anyone that doesn't buy it because there is no BR is a sad, sad person.

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
SweetTRIX If you think that I can't kick your ass into the next decade with any weapon in halo short a shotgun or hammer since they rely on host a lot. Your nuts. Feel free to message me here and SFR and well play this idea that the weapon is why I am a 50 in every playlist and your highest skill is below 35

Holy crap this guy is hilarious! This guy gets owned in an arguement so his reply is "Oh yeah, well... I'd beat you in Halo!"

Then quoting your skill level? Honestly no one gives a -blam!-.

[Edited on 10.07.2009 4:22 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 4:18 PM PDT