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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Halo reach without a BR or like weapon. FLOP.

Sorry but most bad kids follow the good ones and a game without a Utility weapon will chase away the entire MLG population and even if we are small all the people that will follow us because we are awesome isn't.

Haha, wow.

You honestly think people buy Halo because it has a weapon that is supposed to be close-mid range yet has a scope? People are not going to not buy Halo Reach if there isn't a BR or some sort of weapon the same. And MLG wont care either. I'm sure you will all be using some other weapon, perhaps the Carbine? Which is just as good yet gets no love?

Reach is Bungie's last Halo game. Anyone that doesn't buy it because there is no BR is a sad, sad person.

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
SweetTRIX If you think that I can't kick your ass into the next decade with any weapon in halo short a shotgun or hammer since they rely on host a lot. Your nuts. Feel free to message me here and SFR and well play this idea that the weapon is why I am a 50 in every playlist and your highest skill is below 35

Holy crap this guy is hilarious! This guy gets owned in an arguement so his reply is "Oh yeah, well... I'd beat you in Halo!"

Then quoting your skill level? Honestly no one gives a -blam!-.


I said UTILITY WEAPON YOU RETARD. BR is a MID to long rang weapon but pretty useless at long range. I don't care what happens to the BR.
I would use a carbine or a CE pistol or a spiker rifle I don't care as long as it take skill. Gets headshots and kills at close if your awesome, Medium, and long range if your awesome

They like to say that people are only good with the BR. I am stomping that fact and stating it doesn't matter the weapon. the problem is the useless nature of all the other ones.

Well then you should use the Magnum in Halo 3 from now on then. It can be considered a Utility Weapon. It can kill at close, mid and long range if you're good enough. So if you're really this "godly" person who has 50s in all playlists why not just use the Magnum? That's right because it isn't outrageously better then every other weapon in the game.

Bringing the whole game up to balance with the BRs brokeness is stupid. The BR should be brought down. You already die easily enough in Halo anyway. A couple of bullets then a melee. If everything had to be improved to keep up with the BR it would just be stupid.

[Edited on 10.07.2009 4:38 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 4:28 PM PDT
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What does this discussion have to do with reach? Take it to optimatch or halo 3 forum.


  • 10.07.2009 4:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: DH CoMMoN
What does this discussion have to do with reach? Take it to optimatch or halo 3 forum.



It is for reach, not for Halo 3.

  • 10.07.2009 4:41 PM PDT
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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: SweetTRIX
So instead of fixing the only weapon that performs outside of it's own application, you feel it is more practical to overhaul everything else to fit with the BR?

The issue of BR balance is just that BR BALANCE. Changing around the other weapons won't make the BR any more or less balanced. The hard truth is that the BR was not a well thought out weapon, regardless of how popular it is.


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  • 10.07.2009 4:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
So instead of fixing the only weapon that performs outside of it's own application, you feel it is more practical to overhaul everything else to fit with the BR?

The issue of BR balance is just that BR BALANCE. Changing around the other weapons won't make the BR any more or less balanced. The hard truth is that the BR was not a well thought out weapon, regardless of how popular it is.


No dumb ass, the useless pieces of -blam!- known as 90% of Halo 3's weapon set is the problem. Most weapons are only good for spraying and then spamming melee. Halo CE had an OP pistol(far stronger than the BR) but all other weapons were useful in unique situations making them worth using still,


The thing that you and several others seem to miss is that even though way too OP for a pistol, the CE Mag was balanced with the other Halo CE weapons. I will happily agree that dual weilding nerfed a lot of the associated weapons, but that does not take away from the fact that most weapons in the current set are rendered useless by the BR.

Insult me all you want, harp on rank all you want, anyone that knows what balance actually is will agree that the BR in it's current form is not balanced, and most would agree that it makes more sense to redisign a single weapon then it does to redo all of them.

Then again, I hope for a completely different weapon set in Reach anyway, with a midrange weapon that actually stays strong in the mid, and not everywhere else.

  • 10.07.2009 6:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dustinw1
Posted by: DH CoMMoN
What does this discussion have to do with reach? Take it to optimatch or halo 3 forum.



It is for reach, not for Halo 3.


I meant the -blam!-ing about its use at ranges and which version is better. I would like to see how it would be used in reach and what could replace it. I have no opinion on the matter.
I know bungie will make reach work, but there will always be those guys that complain.

  • 10.07.2009 6:19 PM PDT

Posted by: SweetTRIX
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
So instead of fixing the only weapon that performs outside of it's own application, you feel it is more practical to overhaul everything else to fit with the BR?

The issue of BR balance is just that BR BALANCE. Changing around the other weapons won't make the BR any more or less balanced. The hard truth is that the BR was not a well thought out weapon, regardless of how popular it is.


No dumb ass, the useless pieces of -blam!- known as 90% of Halo 3's weapon set is the problem. Most weapons are only good for spraying and then spamming melee. Halo CE had an OP pistol(far stronger than the BR) but all other weapons were useful in unique situations making them worth using still,


The thing that you and several others seem to miss is that even though way too OP for a pistol, the CE Mag was balanced with the other Halo CE weapons. I will happily agree that dual weilding nerfed a lot of the associated weapons, but that does not take away from the fact that most weapons in the current set are rendered useless by the BR.

Insult me all you want, harp on rank all you want, anyone that knows what balance actually is will agree that the BR in it's current form is not balanced, and most would agree that it makes more sense to redisign a single weapon then it does to redo all of them.

Then again, I hope for a completely different weapon set in Reach anyway, with a midrange weapon that actually stays strong in the mid, and not everywhere else.


Well said SweetTRIX! I have to say the BR shouldn't have been in the halo series and even though it was on harvest, that doesn't mean it should be in reach.

As for RELLIK PIR, all you're basically saying is that all the weapons should be "fixed" to go against the BR. Taking the BR out is the best option right now, and quite frankly, I hate it.

And yes, I know how to use it well by strafing and all that, but really, what does my skill have to do with the gun?

[Edited on 10.07.2009 6:32 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2009 6:31 PM PDT

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To make everyone happy i would like to see a silenced Br. that has a laser that only shines when you have a head shot.

  • 10.07.2009 7:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Come on at least get a 40+ to agree with you. Otherwise this really is a debate between people who can't play the game well and people that can.



I have read extensively over this thread. Your comments are laughable, particularly this one. I love the BR. However, if Halo didn't have the BR, I wouldn't care. Halo is a fantastic game regardless. I think the BR is a wee bit overpowered. It's too useful. At close range, an AR could take it out, unless the person with the BR aims for the head. An SMG at close range could take out a BR. Again, I do think the BR is a tad bit overpowered, but it shouldn't be adjusted. That would make room for other weapons to be overpowered, and we'd be having this debate again, only on another weapon.

And, please, quit going back to your stupid rank based "arguments".

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Bring back the Halo 1 pistol to it's entirely. No recoil. No auto aim, no duel wielding, have the scope, same type of firring, no magnetism.

Then bring back the BR, I could care less.



The Great Halo Compromise.


Or the BR from CMT Maps.

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  • 10.07.2009 7:52 PM PDT

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Or, remove the BR all together. That would make me happy.

  • 10.07.2009 8:29 PM PDT

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I'm confused...
Is one side arguing that the BR is the only decent gun in the game, and so everything should be redesigned to bring them up to par? And the other side saying it's over powered and should be nerfed?
I'm gonna go with that...

My opinion: Without the BR, everything else is balanced to each other, due to the fact that the Battle Rifle is the only utility weapon. Everything has a distinct purpose and role, and so they complement each other. Dual-Wielding is a problem, but I don't see a way that could be effectively solved (Single-Wielding= 2 Hands = More Accuracy? I don't know...). Therefore we must assume the Battle Rifle, as the only weapon without a DISTINCT role (Where does the Carbine come into this?) it must be the one that needs fixing.
I think removing it's scope should work, but I don't really know, it's up to Bungie.

  • 10.07.2009 8:53 PM PDT

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I think it would be easier to give the BR a 3x scope and delay the bursts a tiny fraction of a second.

But I wouldn't mind the Halo CE-esque versions of weapons when Single wielded.

  • 10.07.2009 10:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: RELLIK PIR


Ok I'll address your rofl points in order

You just called the HCE pistol Balanced and it was more overpowered than the BR. The rest of the weapons just got a super giant stupid nerf and a lose of creativity. So they just need to upgrade the other weapons back to the way HALO way designed. You keep saying I am wrong but saying I am right. Make up your mind.

Hey your the one that keeps saying the BR was the only weapon people could rely on. Which is false and you just don't want to admit fault. How the hell do you know what balance is better. No one uses the rest of the weapon set and if you forced them they would stop playing the game. So it would make worlds more sense to balance the weapons to the BR. This game is to slow already and if the BR went it would be nothing but a running away fest then they would eventually charge in and SPM spray pray melee

To clarify for your Non gamers, Powerful medium range/multipurpose weapons increase gameplay speed because people die faster. Without a BR like weapon this game would crawl to a dead stop.
Gameplay is already way slower than HCE and H2

If it was a completely different weapon set we might as well go play a different game entirely. If that is what you want go there please.
It is impossible to have a pure midrange. If you can't understand that you clearly have NO RIGHT to talk about how a game funtions. It is either a multipurpose weapon or it doesn't exist. A medium range weapon to a scrub like you is a all range weapon to a skilled player.

Stop all of you should stop embarrassing yourselves.


The Pistol was overpowered in its visual design. Other than that it was not so bad. Sure you could argue that basically its the same since the rifle shoots in bursts of 3 which makes the magazine size the same (36/3 = 12) but with the battle rifle, the burst allows you to miss the initial bullet, and still hit with the other 2. Add to that the lack of bullet magnetism and lack of auto aim which is present in both Halo 2 and 3.

As for the whole BR argument being the only weapon people seem to rely on, have you actually played a non-MLG gametypes or any non BR start gametype, people just rush the BRs since it seems to be the best weapon for all ranges (without taking into account the power weapons). The BR ends up making most weapons obsolete. In the beta the BR was a bit more balanced because it had a big spread. which limited the weapon more to its mid range setting it should have. For some reason they "fixed" that.

As for the game being slow, its due to many things. First the speed the character moves was slowed down. Also you have no health. Before, your shields would go down slightly faster and even if you managed to run away, your shields would recharge, but your health wouldn't so even if the other team managed to kill your whole team, the next time you would face them they would have a handicap since their health would be lower.

You seem to suffer from the MLG syndrome. Where anyone who doesn't like the BR is a noob. Ranking makes you more important than anyone thus any argument you have is superior to any other argument someone makes against yours. And finally you fail to understand that this is a forum where people post their opinions. So he clearly has the right to talk about how a game functions.

But hell if you actually think about it, do you make games? No? So that also doesn't give you the right to talk about how a game functions. If anyone has a right to talk about how their game functions is Bungie and well, you already know what they think about the BR. Maybe you should stop embarrassing yourself since it seems you are the only one who agrees with yourself, and you seem to be the only one who strongly disagrees with everyone else.

Since all weapons should be multi-purpose then i guess they should get rid of the sniper, and shotgun. Now I'm guessing you will be a smartass and say that you use the sniper on all ranges. That's fine, you can use a range specific gun at whatever range you want, but it doesn't mean it was designed that way.

  • 10.07.2009 10:23 PM PDT

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  • 10.07.2009 10:35 PM PDT

After playing ODST, I'm hoping they just leave the BR out of it and put in the scoped SMG and Automag.

  • 10.07.2009 10:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: RELLIK PIR

That is all I see.

It makes way more sense to upgrade a bunch of weak worthless weapons than to bring the one useful weapon down. It is like you want to destroy Halo forever. If they launched without a solid multipurpose weapon the game would do well because it is halo when stop. Everyone would go. wow this is lame I am going to go back to MW2 or some other sequel with multiplayer launching bioshock 2 and Crackdown 2. I love this game because of the medium/fast pace and the fundemental gameplay. Without those I won't buy the game and will tell everyone I know not to. If the Beta Sucks as much as I worry I'll buy other games and never look back.


Your arguments make no sense at all.

Part of the problem with the BR is the fact that it got introduced in the first place, and now that they want to take it out, all the MLG fanboys are crying. You say that if you take the BR out its "like you want to destroy Halo forever" but back on Halo CE there wasn't a BR. If Halo 2 would've shipped without the BR people would've still played it anyways. Hell, if you think about it people would've actually used dual wielding.

I used to run the Halo 3 tournaments in a local gaming league. Most of the people who play, also played on MLG and since it became a standard to use the BR, now it seems its impossible to take it away because they all want it.


Finally you seem to always talk about rank and such but last time I checked, a pro, doesn't need to rely on a certain type of weapon to win. A pro will still be a pro even if the next game ships with or without the BR.

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If you look at the three main catagories of weapons and how they are layed out you can see where the "inbalance" is.

Close/Close Mid Range:
AR
Brute Shot
Sword
Flame Thrower
Fuel Rod Cannon
Gravity Hammer
Magnum
Mauler
Needler
Plasma Pistol
Plasma Rifle
Sentinel Beam
Shotgun
SMG
Spiker

Mid/Mid Long Range:
BR
Carbine

Long Range:
Beam Rifle
Rocket Launcher
Sniper Rifle
Spartan Laser

So with only two weapons filling in the mid to long range gap it becomes pretty obvious why there is so much animosity surrounding the most popular of the two. We can also see why the Battle Rifle is relied on so much. When the majority of halo 3's weapons are inefective outside of 20wu (world units, Master Cheif is 7wu tall) then it becomes obvious that if there is a weapon that is effective in that range and it happens to be all over the map it will be used a lot. So I dont think the problem is the most used mid range weapon, because its really the only one to chose from. I think its fair to say that there is clearly a lack of weapons that fill the mid to long range gap. More weapons in that league could restore balance, or more custom options to adjust the BR's strength and range could also solve the dilema.

Lets stop and think about it without the BR and the carbine what would halo become? The answer is simple. It would be a mostly close range game with 2 or 3 long range power weapons. This is why the BR and like weapons are needed, they stop the long range sniping weapons from becoming too powerful. Also, what would Big Team Games be like?

Variety and options are what makes halo games so much fun. Whether your playing team Swatt, Slayer, Rocket Race, Zombies,or MLG, even though they all play completely different they are all halo. Thats why I cringe whenever I see posts and threads about taking out the BR. Why ask to take away weapons and options? When aksing for more also solves the problems? Ask for more custom options to weaken/strengthen popular weapons. Ask for more weapons, especially where they are needed. Bungie loves giving us more options just look at all you can do in Halo 3.

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